The Cuts

[Goody]

Darlie did not make a wrong cut. She wasn't trying to hit the caratoid, she didn't hit it therefore she made a right cut. If she had hit the jugular or caratoid, she'd have died and that's not what she wanted to do. So her cut was right. It depends on what you are trying to do. Mary said she's heard of people who know how to miss the important things, that's a right cut because they achieved what they were trying to. A killer or someone trying to kill themselves cuts deep enough to cut the artery so that's a right cut. It just depends on if you want to kill or injure.

Well, actually, Beesy, Snooty is right because she is saying that the "wrong" in the cut was the cut itself if one had been cut by someone trying to kill them. From that perspective, if the cut had been "right" as you say, she would have been cut from ear to ear, hitting the carotid artery, and slicing through the windpipe, vocal cords, etc.

 

[Goody]

Not necessarily, Snooty. Dr. Dillawn said that lacerations of the carotid artery can stop bleeding if pressure is applied, either from overlying muscle tissue or even a towel. He's seen it happen with some of his patients.

It's really irrelevant, though, because Darlie didn't cut her carotid artery.

Technically you are correct, Mary, but they also testified that one would have had to have access to medical care almost immediately after being cut. A person can bleed out in just a few minutes if the carotid is cut.

 

[Goody]

No, beesy, I don't think Darlie had any idea where her carotid artery was. In fact, I'll bet most of us don't know where that artery is located in our necks.

I believe it was just dumb luck that Darlie didn't sever it, BUT I'll bet there's been a few times over the last 8 years when she's wished she had!

I disagree. There is no way to know where it actually is, but one could know the general location and avoid it. I think she purposely missed the vocal cords, windpipe, and major arteries (in this case the carotid) and that is one reason why the cut is on the angle it is. I also think the cut went deeper than she intended. The knife was just so sharp that it happened so fast she couldn't control it. I think that came as a surprise to her.

 

[Goody]

In fact, I'll bet most of us don't know where that artery is located in our necks.

Thanks to Darlie, I know where mine is now!!!!!

 

[beesy]

Well, actually, Beesy, Snooty is right because she is saying that the "wrong" in the cut was the cut itself if one had been cut by someone trying to kill them. From that perspective, if the cut had been "right" as you say, she would have been cut from ear to ear, hitting the carotid artery, and slicing through the windpipe, vocal cords, etc.

I find the question pretty stupid in the 1st place. And I do understand what she's saying. It's more symantics than anything. :crazy:

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[accordn2me]

MTJD is supposedly still enroute. I got an email 06/23 saying it usually takes 5 business days and to contact them if I hadn't received it in 21 business days. It looks like mine is going to be a 21 day arrival. :banghead:

Does the book say anything about the necklace and exactly where in her neck it was embedded? I remember reading something about it in the transcripts but I don't seem to recall them being specific about where the necklace was. I wish there was a big red arrow on one of those pictures on the 'fordarlie' site (like those that supposedly show the beginnings of bruises in the hospital).

If I had to guess, I'd surmise that the necklace would be embedded at the start or very near the beginning of the cut. However, the beginning of the cut looks too high for a necklace like the one described.

Please veteran and novice sleuthers, entertain me with your theories about the necklace. Did it save her life....no Damon saved her life...:doh:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Please veteran and novice sleuthers, entertain me with your theories about the necklace. Did it save her life....no Damon saved her life...:doh:

First of all, everything in MTJD is CWB's "opinion," so if you're going there expecting to get rock solid answers for anything, you're wasting your time.

What saved Darlie's life was the fact that she didn't kill herself.

 

[beesy]

What saved Darlie's life was the fact that she didn't kill herself.

Well put!:clap:

 

[beesy]

MTJD is supposedly still enroute. I got an email 06/23 saying it usually takes 5 business days and to contact them if I hadn't received it in 21 business days. It looks like mine is going to be a 21 day arrival. :banghead:

Does the book say anything about the necklace and exactly where in her neck it was embedded? I remember reading something about it in the transcripts but I don't seem to recall them being specific about where the necklace was. I wish there was a big red arrow on one of those pictures on the 'fordarlie' site (like those that supposedly show the beginnings of bruises in the hospital).

If I had to guess, I'd surmise that the necklace would be embedded at the start or very near the beginning of the cut. However, the beginning of the cut looks too high for a necklace like the one described.

Please veteran and novice sleuthers, entertain me with your theories about the necklace. Did it save her life....no Damon saved her life...:doh:

Sorry about the book delay. The book doesn't say where it was embedded(I don't think). I'm not sure the location means anything anyway. It shows a couple of pix of the nicks in it. But all that proves is she had the darn thing on. Duh! Chris always acts like many of the things he's pointing out, LE has debated. Everybody knows she had the necklace on. As far as Damon saving her life, her story is a lie, so he couldn't have saved her life. We've all done it, had sleepless nights, thought and thought about it all, but stop:banghead: over Darlie, she's not worth it. We all just need to keep brainstorming.

 

[beesy]

I disagree. There is no way to know where it actually is, but one could know the general location and avoid it. I think she purposely missed the vocal cords, windpipe, and major arteries (in this case the carotid) and that is one reason why the cut is on the angle it is. I also think the cut went deeper than she intended. The knife was just so sharp that it happened so fast she couldn't control it. I think that came as a surprise to her.

Well, you said it better, but that's what I was trying to say. Darlie knew enough about her throat to know there are some important things in there(God I hope so:doh: I'm sure she's seen movies or pix of someone dead with their throat cut. By starting up high, instead of across(the ear-to-ear cut), she thought she could cause a good injury, but not actually die. Even Darlie knows where her vocal chords and windpipe are(again with the hoping). The cut looks like she recoiled when she started and then the knife jumped back down, out of her control. She freaked out, thinking she'd cut something important and would end up looking like pix she'd seen. She called 911 before she meant to. We've said this before, but it's hard to wade through all these posts, so no harm in repeating it, right?

 

[dasgal]

I think you are dead on the money, Goody. But I also still wonder if she didn't mean to off herself. I go back and forth about that one.

 

[Mary456]

Didn't she testify that maybe the intruder put something in her mouth like a gag or his hands over her mouth so she couldn't scream? You know, make the suggestion without giving up her amnesia claims?

Yes, she "speculated" that an intruder might have covered her mouth, but that's as far as she dared go, because of the amnesia deal. The stories about a sock being stuffed in her mouth are straight from the supporters, and it's obvious why. They needed to explain Darlie's DNA in the foot of the sock, because that's exactly where her DNA would be if she put it on her hand before stabbing the boys.

 

[beesy]

Yes, she "speculated" that an intruder might have covered her mouth, but that's as far as she dared go, because of the amnesia deal. The stories about a sock being stuffed in her mouth are straight from the supporters, and it's obvious why. They needed to explain Darlie's DNA in the foot of the sock, because that's exactly where her DNA would be if she put it on her hand before stabbing the boys.

Yes remember poor Darlie was bleeding and struggling with a man(she thinks) how can she be expected to remember all these teeny details. :boohoo:
Alot of times you hear about attacks of this type where the victim does live. And I mean a real attack, like a car jacking or rape. The victim usually tries to burn everything into her memory so she can help catch the guy. Same horrible trauma, but they can recite second by second unlike our lovely Darlie

 

[Mary456]

Alot of times you hear about attacks of this type where the victim does live. And I mean a real attack, like a car jacking or rape. The victim usually tries to burn everything into her memory so she can help catch the guy. Same horrible trauma, but they can recite second by second unlike our lovely Darlie

The traumatic amnesia claim didn't fly with the jury, beesy, because she "remembered" what pointed to an intruder, but drew a blank about the evidence that pointed to her.

Darlie remembered that the intruder was either white/black, wore a dark t-shirt, jeans, a baseball cap with no logo on it, and longish hair. That's a pretty detailed description, considering that there were no lights on in the house & she saw the intruder walking away from her, going toward the utility room. How would she know there was no logo on the cap...in the dark????

Why didn't she scream until after the intruder left the house? Darlie doesn't know. Why didn't she fight the intruder? Darlie doesn't remember. How did she walk through the glass 6 or 7 times (according to Darin) and not get a single cut on her feet?

How does a 5 year-old child, stabbed through the liver and lungs, walk behind his mother and calmly wait until she tells him to lie down? Darlie remembers that, and you know why? Because she knew darn well that Damon had left a blood trail as he crawled across the family room, and she had to explain it somehow.

Darlie should have claimed traumatic amnesia for the entire event, because selective amnesia has never worked, and it never will.

 

[beesy]

The claim didn't fly with the jury, beesy, because she "remembered" what pointed to an intruder, but drew a blank about the evidence that pointed to her.

Am I speaking in an alien language? I wasn't talking about Darlie when I mentioned most people try burn their attacker's face into their brains. I never said Darlie's traumatic amnesia was real. I know all the blanks etc. I know the jury didn't believe it. I was making a point. Most victims who survive an attack don't get full or selective traumatic amnesia, they pay close attention to the guy. Point being: Darlie's excuse is bull and I was showing evidence to back that up!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Am I speaking in an alien language? I wasn't talking about Darlie when I mentioned most people try burn their attacker's face into their brains. I never said Darlie's traumatic amnesia was real. I know all the blanks etc. I know the jury didn't believe it. I was making a point. Most victims who survive an attack don't get full or selective traumatic amnesia, they pay close attention to the guy. Point being: Darlie's excuse is bull and I was showing evidence to back that up!

I think the two of you were agreeing with one another, but got your wires crossed!!

 

[beesy]

I think the two of you were agreeing with one another, but got your wires crossed!!

Really? ok, thanks! and sorry Mary for misunderstanding.:blowkiss:

 

[Goody]

The traumatic amnesia claim didn't fly with the jury, beesy, because she "remembered" what pointed to an intruder, but drew a blank about the evidence that pointed to her.

Darlie remembered that the intruder was either white/black, wore a dark t-shirt, jeans, a baseball cap with no logo on it, and longish hair. That's a pretty detailed description, considering that there were no lights on in the house & she saw the intruder walking away from her, going toward the utility room. How would she know there was no logo on the cap...in the dark????

Why didn't she scream until after the intruder left the house? Darlie doesn't know. Why didn't she fight the intruder? Darlie doesn't remember. How did she walk through the glass 6 or 7 times (according to Darin) and not get a single cut on her feet?

How does a 5 year-old child, stabbed through the liver and lungs, walk behind his mother and calmly wait until she tells him to lie down? Darlie remembers that, and you know why? Because she knew darn well that Damon had left a blood trail as he crawled across the family room, and she had to explain it somehow.

Darlie should have claimed traumatic amnesia for the entire event, because selective amnesia has never worked, and it never will.

Wow! Mary, you just turned on a big bright light in Goody's brain. Thank you very much. I really didn't get the selective amnesia thing as it applies to the crime scene until just now.

You see, Darlie's original plan was to say she slept thru the attacks, and in that case in her mind, it made perfect sense for her to remember where Damon was after she awoke. But by trial she had changed it from being asleep to the traumatic amnesia excuse and that presented a bigger problem for her. In the end though she had to live with it.

You are right. She shouldn't have remembered Damon's activities either if the memory loss was caused by the trauma of the event. She was still right in the middle of the trauma when Damon supposedly followed her across the room. This leans hard toward proofing she was lying. Yahooooooooooo!

What confused me before is that she does most of her weaving in and out of memory in her testimony. She doesn't even remember half the people who testified against her and only parts of what happened in the hospital. Both of those events should not have been a problem for her if the TA was real, but she was trying to convince the court that the TA was an ongoing problem that apparently hadn't stopped. It was the only way to protect herself from the risk of answering incorrectly and exposing her guilt.

Thank you very much.

 

[Goody]

I find the question pretty stupid in the 1st place. And I do understand what she's saying. It's more symantics than anything. :crazy:

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I think there may be a language problem here that is misleading you. I sense that English may not be Snooty's first language. She is probably doing the best she can to explain what she thinks as plainly as possible, so go a little easy on her. She is genuine.

 

[Goody]

I think you are dead on the money, Goody. But I also still wonder if she didn't mean to off herself. I go back and forth about that one.

Hey, das. I have never believed that neck wound was a suicide attempt. It is just too easy to slice deeply and quickly to miss as many vital parts as she did. Too many others, who really were attempting suicide, have not only succeeded but they've not missed those parts at all. That tells me that it was either a botched attack or self inflicted to promote the image of "victim" for police. Which one it is probably depends on why she killed the kids, and that is still up for debate.