The Cuts

[Goody]

I picture the two of them in the welcoming committee at the pearly gates. Devon says to Damon, "Eeee gads, it's Mommy! Run for your life!"

aaaahahahahahah! Now that is tacky, funny but definitely tacky. hahahaha!

 

[Goody]

Goody: remember my doofus comment?

Yes, I do, but he is not as much of a dufus as he is a bad liar with a terrible memory. Actually though I have to admit he does have some dufus moments, so maybe he is just a man of many faces. LOL! One thing I do think he is is good at flying under the radar, and the fact that no evidence points to him shows that. He was either smart enough to protect his downside accurately or just plain lucky. Whichever it was, it seemed to serve him well.

 

[Goody]

This is the wrong comparison. White collar and blue collar indicate the type of work one does with white collar being people who wear a tie to work and blue collar refers to people who don't. White trash refers to a mind set, often called trailer trash as well as white trash and those people often don't work at all!.

I didn't realize that about people who live in trailers. They don't work, eh? That would make them welfare bums, too, wouldn't it?

They bought a home they could not afford in an upper middle class neighborhood, but Darlie is trailer trash, through and through. They did not belong there. Look at the way she decorated that house. It could not have been more tacky. Even the fountain in the yard was too big for the yard it is in. Then look at her. Big bleached hair, too much makeup, too much jewelry, oversized boob job.

Are you talking about Darlie Routier or Dolly Parton?

The lovely couple met at a Sizzler steak house. Do you know what that is? If you do, I don't need to explain. Discount hot meat, cafeteria style. Darin said it was love at first sight. What does that tell you? It tells you his emotions are based on appearance and he is attracted to tacky women. I guess a silly string party at the grave is not so inappropriate to people like them. But Darin was in the computer business, usually associated with white collar. So they were crossing over the white collar/blue collar lines and were anxious to move on up from the trailer park. Nothing wrong with that, but sometimes it just shows..

Sorry but I think you are really being unfair to people who shouldn't have to apologize for being "low rent". Do you know anyone who lives in a trailer who isn't "white trash" or do you just like lumping folks into groups and then putting down the whole group? I thought we saw enough of that in Mississippi back in the 50's. Calling them "white trash" is about as just as calling a woman a "" because she has a baby out of wedlock. <shudder>

As for whether Darin's business was blue collar or white collar, I am not sure what it would be labeled as today. They were testing circuit boards as I understand it and maybe making them in at least a semi assembly line atmosphere. Not hardly computer programming. Nobody wore a tie to work that I have heard of.

But to call them white trash, I think is unfair because it categorizes all big boobed, flashy blondes who fall in love at the Sizzler as cheap and without value. People don't have to have something to contribute to the country club to be worthy. As my old law professor used to say, "All life has value."

Don't get me wrong. I have called Darlie "Boom Boom Routier" but that offends just her. It doesn't pull a bunch of innocent people into it who didn't stab their children to death just because they happen to eat at Sizzler or live in a trailer or like flashy clothes.

 

[Goody]

As hard as it is for me to find her motive in this, it is harder to find one for an intruder. He didn't disturb the dust on the window sill. He didn't steal anything but a sock. If her story had been that he grabbed her and held the knife to her throat, it would have been more believable, frankly. She was careful not to cut too deep, even though it doesn't take a lot to cut a vital artery in one's neck. They had tiny insurance policies on the kids, so it was not a hired killer. By her story, how could she continue to sleep in that house a single night after that? A madman cut a screen, plunged a kitchen knife deep into her kids, took one non-lethal slash at her, then scratched her forearm with the knife... and left, taking nothing but a sock. The Rowlett neighborhood she lived in has never seen this mad man again... so where did he go? That story is just absurd. I just wonder why she did it.

So what you end up with is no motive for either story and a crime scene that just does not match her story. I am left to come to one conclusion. She is just evil.

I don't know about the evil part, but the rest is a pretty accurate depiction. Her motive is what stumps most people. I think it has to be either something we have not heard of before or she just lost it for some reason and killed Devon, then had to do everything else to cover it up, including killing Damon. That could certainly make her evil, but I tend to think it probably more accurately falls into "selfish".

 

[Goody]

Yes, I agree, name calling isn't nice, but either is murdering your children. Her family acted awful. Their inappropriate behavior created more of a circus atmosphere than the actual case. I always wonder why it took so long for the spokesperson to say that. However, that remark is one more thing her family and supporters go on about and should not have been said. What I find interesting is Darin and Darlie did not belong to a church, but suddenly her family is quoting scripture and speaking in tongues. They say there is a higher birth rate in prison than in the outside world, Born Again Christians.

I think Sarilda, Darin's mother, always belonged to a church, and she is the one who quotes scripture. I might point out though that anyone who can pick up a book and read it can quote scripture. That being said, I agree that the family turned the trial into a circus event with their carrying on and public displays. They probably hurt Darlie more than helped her.

 

[beesy]

Yes, I do, but he is not as much of a dufus as he is a bad liar with a terrible memory. Actually though I have to admit he does have some dufus moments, so maybe he is just a man of many faces. LOL! One thing I do think he is is good at flying under the radar, and the fact that no evidence points to him shows that. He was either smart enough to protect his downside accurately or just plain lucky. Whichever it was, it seemed to serve him well.

Is it dufus? I was thinking doofus.

 

[beesy]

But to call them white trash, I think is unfair because it categorizes all big boobed, flashy blondes who fall in love at the Sizzler as cheap and without value. People don't have to have something to contribute to the country club to be worthy. As my old law professor used to say, "All life has value."
Don't get me wrong. I have called Darlie "Boom Boom Routier" but that offends just her. It doesn't pull a bunch of innocent people into it who didn't stab their children to death just because they happen to eat at Sizzler or live in a trailer or like flashy clothes.

Ok let me just say this one thing. Apparently to call someone "white trash" is more offensive to others than it is to me. I really didn't think it was any stronger than calling Darin a doofus. I'm sorry I brought it up, it obviously rubs others the wrong way. Now can we play nice? :innocent:

 

[Mary456]

Is it dufus? I was thinking doofus.

Doesn't matter. If it begins with "d", all is well with the world :doh:

 

[sue1017]

Hi new to the site! I have some questions about this case and the wounds to both her sons and Darlie.

Isn't there a way to tell if the person that was administering the blows (i.e. the knife in this case) was left handed or right? Also, Isn't there something that determines if the wound was done overhand or underhand? The reason for these questions is that if the wounds inflicted on her children were the same type (for example overhanded, right hand) as her wounds. Wouldn't it be hard to assume she did it herself if her wounds were similiar in style. Mostly the one on her forearm.

BTW, I do think she is guilty just wanted to throw a different light on the subject. And see what others think.

 

[Cowgirl]

Hi new to the site! I have some questions about this case and the wounds to both her sons and Darlie.

Isn't there a way to tell if the person that was administering the blows (i.e. the knife in this case) was left handed or right? Also, Isn't there something that determines if the wound was done overhand or underhand? The reason for these questions is that if the wounds inflicted on her children were the same type (for example overhanded, right hand) as her wounds. Wouldn't it be hard to assume she did it herself if her wounds were similiar in style. Mostly the one on her forearm.

BTW, I do think she is guilty just wanted to throw a different light on the subject. And see what others think.

Certainly, it can be ascertained if wounds on another person are done underhand or overhand. But on one's self, well, all you need to do, particularly with your arm, is try it yourself. Crook your elbow and put your hand up near your face and a defensive wound could be inflicted on your forearm, but drop your arm and the same defensive wound could be upside down from the other position.

To me, it is totally irrelevant whether the attacks were overhand or underhand. What matters is the type of assaults. Both boys were attacked with deep thrusting knife plunges, assuring no one could survive such an assault. Particularly when they are in someone's back, you know the victim was not coming at that assailant. So after a frenzied attack of two boys, plunging a knife in deep body thrusts over and over, the assailant, whether confronted or not, merely scratched the throat of the mother? Not likely. Even a good slash at one's throat is enough to make them bleed to death in no time at all, much less multiple stab wounds. The wound on her throat was very shallow from start to finish, with a hesitation mark to it.

In order for that scenario to be true, the killer would be stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, over and over, whether underhand or overhand, and then when confronted by Darlie, reposition the knife in his hand to slash at her? Not very likely! If her story had been that he somehow grabbed her from behind and held the knife to her throat, that might explain how her wound happened, but that was not her story.

 

[Cowgirl]

I didn't realize that about people who live in trailers. They don't work, eh? That would make them welfare bums, too, wouldn't it?


Sorry but I think you are really being unfair to people who shouldn't have to apologize for being "low rent". Do you know anyone who lives in a trailer who isn't "white trash" or do you just like lumping folks into groups and then putting down the whole group? I thought we saw enough of that in Mississippi back in the 50's. Calling them "white trash" is about as just as calling a woman a "" because she has a baby out of wedlock. <shudder>

As for whether Darin's business was blue collar or white collar, I am not sure what it would be labeled as today. They were testing circuit boards as I understand it and maybe making them in at least a semi assembly line atmosphere. Not hardly computer programming. Nobody wore a tie to work that I have heard of.

But to call them white trash, I think is unfair because it categorizes all big boobed, flashy blondes who fall in love at the Sizzler as cheap and without value. People don't have to have something to contribute to the country club to be worthy. As my old law professor used to say, "All life has value."

Don't get me wrong. I have called Darlie "Boom Boom Routier" but that offends just her. It doesn't pull a bunch of innocent people into it who didn't stab their children to death just because they happen to eat at Sizzler or live in a trailer or like flashy clothes.

If you check my post, I was merely correcting the incorrect analogy. White trash is not the opposite of blue collar, and that was all I was saying.

I would call them social climbers myself. And if she could have avoided the financial problems she had, perhaps she would not have felt the need to murder her children. It appears they were living beyond their means. I have no idea where she grew up. Her mother appears to dress more tastefully than she does. And her house was full of gaudy junk. That is a fact, not a judgment. And my opinion about people who live in trailers is irrelevant, so I won't answer your query on that. Here in tornado alley, it is dangerous, in my estimation. But fake boobed bleached blondes who wear too much makeup and chew gum are the definition of white trash, in my opinion. Think of me what you like.

:laugh: Now the part about unwed mothers being ...where the heck did that come from? Certainly not my post!

 

[sue1017]

Cowgirl thanks for the reply. It makes sense now that you mention a person switching position of the knife after doing it numerous times the same way on 2 other victims. Seems unlikely. I guess I was wondering if it could be told from her forearm wound if the person was doing it the same way. I am still under the impression that she is guilty as charged as should receive what she deserves.

 

[Mary456]

Cowgirl thanks for the reply. It makes sense now that you mention a person switching position of the knife after doing it numerous times the same way on 2 other victims. Seems unlikely. I guess I was wondering if it could be told from her forearm wound if the person was doing it the same way. I am still under the impression that she is guilty as charged as should receive what she deserves.

The ME who examined Darlie's right arm described it as an incised cut rather than a stab, and I tend to agree. It was only about 1" deep, but almost 2" long. The blade of the butcher knife doesn't approach 2" in width until quite a distance from the tip (at least that's what it looks like to me). It's such a clean cut...just doesn't look like a stab wound you'd get from fighting an intruder. Plus, the hesitation wound above it suggest self inflicted.

I'm in the minority on this, though, mainly because Darlie would have used her non-dominant hand to inflict the wound. No one, me included, can figure out why she'd do that. Most people think she cut it accidentally while stabbing Devon, but I can't picture that, either. How could she accidentally cut her right arm when she was holding the knife in her right hand? This aspect of the case really confounds me. Thoughts, anyone?

 

[sue1017]

Mary good points. So all her wounds are same. Slicing not penetrating. Are there any pictures of the wounds before stitching or after they healed? With the stitches it hard to get to that conculsion. Altho the ME would have the best knowledge of her wounds.

 

[beesy]

Mary good points. So all her wounds are same. Slicing not penetrating. Are there any pictures of the wounds before stitching or after they healed? With the stitches it hard to get to that conculsion. Altho the ME would have the best knowledge of her wounds.

There are no pix of Darlie's wounds before stitching. They were sewn up w/in hours of her arrival at the hospital. Have you seen the pix of the boys? Look at their wounds, then look at hers. There should be no problem reaching Mary's and my conclusion. Just think about it, common sense tells you that an intruder would not switch methods. So that brings up the 2 intruder theory. Isn't it handy how she pulls that out of her butt when people begin talking about the different types of wounds? There was no intruder, therefore, no intruders. With all of the furniture and knick-knacks in that room, it would have been torn to hell with 2 killers moving back and forth between 3 victims. Her neck wound is atypical of a slash by someone else. It's usually done ear to ear, in nearly a straight line. If she were lying down, as she guesses she was, why wouldn't an intruder stab her, why perform a manuever such as that? As Mary mentioned, there is a hesitation nick, then the slash which is at a slant. Then there is another nick on her shoulder, perhaps she recoiled which would make the knife jump, then hit again. Either way, it was not done by someone else, just Darlie.

 

[duffy]

The ME who examined Darlie's right arm described it as an incised cut rather than a stab, and I tend to agree. It was only about 1" deep, but almost 2" long. The blade of the butcher knife doesn't approach 2" in width until quite a distance from the tip (at least that's what it looks like to me). It's such a clean cut...just doesn't look like a stab wound you'd get from fighting an intruder. Plus, the hesitation wound above it suggest self inflicted.

I'm in the minority on this, though, mainly because Darlie would have used her non-dominant hand to inflict the wound. No one, me included, can figure out why she'd do that. Most people think she cut it accidentally while stabbing Devon, but I can't picture that, either. How could she accidentally cut her right arm when she was holding the knife in her right hand? This aspect of the case really confounds me. Thoughts, anyone?

Mary456, watching a program on ctv the other night, a case where a neighbor brutally murdered one young woman and did his best to murder the other, one of the professionals they had on there said a person who uses a knife in the commission of a crime will usually get cut.

I think darlie's wounds are self-inflicted and made to look as though she had been attacked as well.

Anyway, just a little FYI there.

 

[beesy]

Mary456, watching a program on ctv the other night, a case where a neighbor brutally murdered one young woman and did his best to murder the other, one of the professionals they had on there said a person who uses a knife in the commission of a crime will usually get cut.

I think darlie's wounds are self-inflicted and made to look as though she had been attacked as well.

Anyway, just a little FYI there.

Usually they get cut because their hand slips down the handle of the knife onto the blade, Miss Mary and I have discussed that. I think Devon fought with Darlie and this surprised her. She figured he was asleep, he'd just die. Maybe that's how she ended up being cut somewhere. She wasn't prepared for a battle

 

[beesy]

The ME who examined Darlie's right arm described it as an incised cut rather than a stab, and I tend to agree. It was only about 1" deep, but almost 2" long. The blade of the butcher knife doesn't approach 2" in width until quite a distance from the tip (at least that's what it looks like to me). It's such a clean cut...just doesn't look like a stab wound you'd get from fighting an intruder. Plus, the hesitation wound above it suggest self inflicted.

I'm in the minority on this, though, mainly because Darlie would have used her non-dominant hand to inflict the wound. No one, me included, can figure out why she'd do that. Most people think she cut it accidentally while stabbing Devon, but I can't picture that, either. How could she accidentally cut her right arm when she was holding the knife in her right hand? This aspect of the case really confounds me. Thoughts, anyone?

I think she did get cut somewhere while stabbing Devon. I don't know if it was the arm or what. I hadn't thought about it being on the same arm as her stabbing hand. There appears to be a hesitation wound above the cut on her arm also. The bruises on his feet and the cut on his buttocks means he fought with her, doesn't it?

 

[Mary456]

Mary good points. So all her wounds are same. Slicing not penetrating. Are there any pictures of the wounds before stitching or after they healed? With the stitches it hard to get to that conculsion. Altho the ME would have the best knowledge of her wounds.

Hi, Sue. None of Darlie's wounds could be described as penetrating wounds. They were all very shallow compared to the 3-5" deep stabs on the boys, which went into their vital organs. There's very detailed descriptions of her injuries in the transcript. It gives you a much better idea of her injuries than after they were stitched. Look for Dr. Santos and Dr. Dillawn's testimonies, if you want a blow by blow

 

[beesy]

Yes, I do, but he is not as much of a dufus as he is a bad liar with a terrible memory. Actually though I have to admit he does have some dufus moments, so maybe he is just a man of many faces. LOL! One thing I do think he is is good at flying under the radar, and the fact that no evidence points to him shows that. He was either smart enough to protect his downside accurately or just plain lucky. Whichever it was, it seemed to serve him well.

Judge Judy: "You don't have to have a good memory if you tell the truth!"
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