The Death of Wayne Millard

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  • #861
I think I understand where you are going however wouldn't the right to full disclosure be to protect the ID of the beneficiary from the the institute(bank) if a lawyer was trustee? Not to keep the beneficiary from knowing the workings of the trust or trustee?
After all the bank or whomever has to know the ID of the beneficiary in order to insure the deposit received from the trustee, unless a lawyer is the trustee then he can use whatever code he wishes for beneficiary ID but that ID/code still has to be traceable to the beneficiary.

Anyway regardless, how does murdering TB and stealing vehicles tie in to any of the above?
JMO

I think you're describing the more conventional type of trust set up by Trust Companies and/or large corporations. Anyhow, I think the discussion is in reference to OC or some other nefarious and diabolical Mr Big being the mastermind if not the true murderer(s).

With regard to the stolen vehicles, I note we haven't heard anything more about them. LE reported finding some guy's motor bike then reported finding up to a hundred vehicles, then fewer than 10 vehicles that might, or might not be stolen (and with no reference to CM's well known collection of classic automobiles which he apparently kept at the Missisauga hangar.) Beyond the marketing agent's apparent dismay about cars in the hangar the whole issue of stolen vehicles seems to have slid over the edge, imo.
 
  • #862
Still not sure I can make a trust fit into the current theft and murder.

Even when I try to make Millardair (MRO) a front company to launder money thru a bank, financial investment firm, trust or even a lawyer, I can't make truck theft and TB murder work. Who is going to benefit? If DM was the beneficiary of any trust, he will still continue to be, jail or not. Killing Tim wouldn't change that, just risks the money in a wrongful death civil suit.

JMO

Uhm... he would not be the beneficiary. That's the point.
 
  • #863
Still not sure I can make a trust fit into the current theft and murder.

Even when I try to make Millardair (MRO) a front company to launder money thru a bank, financial investment firm, trust or even a lawyer, I can't make truck theft and TB murder work. Who is going to benefit? If DM was the beneficiary of any trust, he will still continue to be, jail or not. Killing Tim wouldn't change that, just risks the money in a wrongful death civil suit.

JMO

Yes he will still be the beneficiary of any trust that had been created with him as beneficiary.... but he will not be the one pulling the strings..as in accessing his trust for the benefit of MillardAir Millard Holdings etc etc. Some person (s) else will now be running the show. DM is now out of commission. It is possible that unknown people/trustees can now allocate funds/make decisions / create expenses etc etc etc. The beneficiary is still the beneficiary ....but will he benefit as much as he may have prior to being 'out of commission'. Trusts are private as has been said and posted... If Trustees are being exploited by OC that want full control of Millard assets ie./ hangars, planes helicopters, income etc they would need to be rid of the overseer (DM) They would not benefit from his death as all assets would be willed to someone else ( ? his mother? ) But in order to be in control totally and have free reign DM would need to be 'out of the equation' physically, with no eyes on site. DM was selling off MillardAir it seems.... maybe there was a reason for that JMO.... maybe he was tired of paying 'dues' to the weekly collector !!!! Wayne Millard died when he started to hand the reigns to DM...... We know DM was not happy with the state of affairs insofar as lack of contracts for one hangar. This is all an avenue of sleuthing, the same as any other.... IMO it's an avenue that should not be overlooked.

If I had a company that had weekly collectors ... I think I may want to dismantle it and put the funds elsewhere too.<modsnip> Then she tries to call DM many times !!!!! What did she want to tell him ? Yes its all just possibility like all the other theories...but there is a pot of gold at the end of this one. JMO MOO

I think Carli is explaining that there are ways to put trusts within trusts that would have DM as a trustee for another trust(s)..... which could leave the floor open for at least one of the Millard corps to be controlled by others...... without him knowing any of what is happening.
 
  • #864
WM's obituary stated it was the Elizabeth Glass Animal Welfare Foundation, not Fund.


Foundations are charitable organizations. IMO, it was a private foundation:

from CRA:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/glssry-eng.html

Private foundation

&#8226;is established as a corporation or a trust;
&#8226;has exclusively charitable purposes;
&#8226;carries on its own charitable activities and/or funds other qualified donees, (e.g., registered charities);
&#8226;may have 50% or more of its governing officials not at arm's length with each other;
&#8226;generally receives the majority of its funding from a donor or a group of donors that are not at arm's length; and
&#8226;its income cannot be used for the personal benefit of any of its members, shareholders, or governing officials.
 
  • #865
WM's obituary stated it was the Elizabeth Glass Animal Welfare Foundation, not Fund.


Foundations are charitable organizations. IMO, it was a private foundation:

from CRA:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/glssry-eng.html

That was more that likely set up as a trust...as in the first line of your quote. JMO:

Private foundation

&#8226;is established as a corporation or a trust;
&#8226;has exclusively charitable purposes;
&#8226;carries on its own charitable activities and/or funds other qualified donees, (e.g., registered charities);
&#8226;may have 50% or more of its governing officials not at arm's length with each other;
&#8226;generally receives the majority of its funding from a donor or a group of donors that are not at arm's length; and
&#8226;its income cannot be used for the personal benefit of any of its members, shareholders, or governing officials.
 
  • #866
We also must not forget Private Trusts !!!! Holdings !!!! If they are Private they are Private. That means no-one will have access except those named on the or in the Trust. Not even a court can venture into a Private Trust for that violates the purpose and foundation of the PRIVATE trust. Like I said before... Trust Law is VERY interesting..... kind of like 'who holds the key to the Kingdom' type of interesting.

This trust theory is weak. In theory the private trust is private however, in reality it is not private. If the theory is that the trustee framed DM to get the money in the trust, the theory is weak, because as a beneficiary of the trust, DM would have access to the information about the trust or go to the courts and have the trustee compelled to release the information. DM would also seek an order from the courts to remove the trustee.

This holds true off shore, with well established trust case law setting out the beneficiary right to the information, and the courts inherent jurisdiction over the trustee, including power to remove the trustee.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_v_Rosewood_Trust_Ltd"]Schmidt v Rosewood Trust Ltd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
  • #867
Yes he will still be the beneficiary of any trust that had been created with him as beneficiary.... but he will not be the one pulling the strings..as in accessing his trust for the benefit of MillardAir Millard Holdings etc etc. Some person (s) else will now be running the show. DM is now out of commission. It is possible that unknown people/trustees can now allocate funds/make decisions / create expenses etc etc etc. The beneficiary is still the beneficiary ....but will he benefit as much as he may have prior to being 'out of commission'. Trusts are private as has been said and posted... If Trustees are being exploited by OC that want full control of Millard assets ie./ hangars, planes helicopters, income etc they would need to be rid of the overseer (DM) They would not benefit from his death as all assets would be willed to someone else ( ? his mother? ) But in order to be in control totally and have free reign DM would need to be 'out of the equation' physically, with no eyes on site. DM was selling off MillardAir it seems.... maybe there was a reason for that JMO.... maybe he was tired of paying 'dues' to the weekly collector !!!! Wayne Millard died when he started to hand the reigns to DM...... We know DM was not happy with the state of affairs insofar as lack of contracts for one hangar. This is all an avenue of sleuthing, the same as any other.... IMO it's an avenue that should not be overlooked.

If I had a company that had weekly collectors ... I think I may want to dismantle it and put the funds elsewhere too.<modsnip> Then she tries to call DM many times !!!!! What did she want to tell him ? Yes its all just possibility like all the other theories...but there is a pot of gold at the end of this one. JMO MOO

I think Carli is explaining that there are ways to put trusts within trusts that would have DM as a trustee for another trust(s)..... which could leave the floor open for at least one of the Millard corps to be controlled by others...... without him knowing any of what is happening.

Let's look at the facts for a moment.

The hangar project is/was allegedly causing low coffers, per DM/AS conversation.

There are no firm, signed contracts with the MRO to increase those coffers because of DM's lack of removal of the "junk" in the hangar per DM, AS explanation/conversation. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

DM then literally folds/closes the MRO company per the cancellation of the Transport Canada License/Permit per MSM after a huge investment of Millard money and public money per MSM. http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

He is in jail over boosting a truck and killing the owner per current LE laid indictable offense charges. http://globalnews.ca/news/563856/tim-bosma-accuseds-charges-to-be-upgraded-to-murder-today/

It would appear DM is already ineffective enough as an alleged "trustee" for any beneficiary/trust, etc. to remove him.

In conclusion, an OC "weekly collector" couldn't care less about what you dismantle or where you store the funds. They have "YOU" as their primary collateral and take a lien on your family to ensure payment. Per Moose and Rocko.

JMO
 
  • #868
This trust theory is weak. In theory the private trust is private however, in reality it is not private. If the theory is that the trustee framed DM to get the money in the trust, the theory is weak, because as a beneficiary of the trust, DM would have access to the information about the trust or go to the courts and have the trustee compelled to release the information. DM would also seek an order from the courts to remove the trustee.


I assume this is your opinion ?
A trustee cannot be compelled to give the information of a trust. The beneficiary will be told about the trust but not necessarily all components of the trust. The details are enTRUSTED to the TRUSTEE. A beneficiary cannot remove the trustee of a private trust. The maker of the trust usually can, but they are often dead.


This holds true off shore, with well established trust case law setting out the beneficiary right to the information, and the courts inherent jurisdiction over the trustee, including power to remove the trustee.
You are talking about PUBLIC trusts I believe, that are often set up by banks.

Schmidt v Rosewood Trust Ltd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

responses in red...and thank you for your opinion
 
  • #869
Let's look at the facts for a moment.

The hangar project is/was allegedly causing low coffers, per DM/AS conversation.

There are no firm, signed contracts with the MRO to increase those coffers because of DM's lack of removal of the "junk" in the hangar per DM, AS explanation/conversation. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

DM then literally folds/closes the MRO company per the cancellation of the Transport Canada License/Permit per MSM after a huge investment of Millard money and public money per MSM. http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

He is in jail over boosting a truck and killing the owner per current LE laid indictable offense charges. http://globalnews.ca/news/563856/tim-bosma-accuseds-charges-to-be-upgraded-to-murder-today/

It would appear DM is already ineffective enough as an alleged "trustee" for any beneficiary/trust, etc. to remove him.

In conclusion, an OC "weekly collector" couldn't care less about what you dismantle or where you store the funds. They have "YOU" as their primary collateral and take a lien on your family to ensure payment. Per Moose and Rocko.

JMO

AS' version may be just that - his version. Perhaps the reporting of cars in the hangar being the reason for no contracts was just an excuse for AS not doing his job ("Not my fault!" mentality). Why would he have not explained this to DM prior to DM's queries? Or did he? We dont know.

So far as taking out a lien on family. WM did die in the crux of business troubles - Nov 2012.
 
  • #870
Let's look at the facts for a moment.

The hangar project is/was allegedly causing low coffers, per DM/AS conversation.

There are no firm, signed contracts with the MRO to increase those coffers because of DM's lack of removal of the "junk" in the hangar per DM, AS explanation/conversation. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it/

DM then literally folds/closes the MRO company per the cancellation of the Transport Canada License/Permit per MSM after a huge investment of Millard money and public money per MSM. http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3244013-public-cash-supported-failed-hangar-plan/

He is in jail over boosting a truck and killing the owner per current LE laid indictable offense charges. http://globalnews.ca/news/563856/tim-bosma-accuseds-charges-to-be-upgraded-to-murder-today/

It would appear DM is already ineffective enough as an alleged "trustee" for any beneficiary/trust, etc. to remove him.

In conclusion, an OC "weekly collector" couldn't care less about what you dismantle or where you store the funds. They have "YOU" as their primary collateral and take a lien on your family to ensure payment. Per Moose and Rocko.

JMO

If only we were privy to all the facts ! Maybe DM decided to wind down the business based on infiltration of sorts. It is not a fact that coffers were low, that was a comment by AS...I doubt coffers were low, IMO DM may have sensed that certain people were in for personal gain. It is not a fact that the contracts for hangar were not coming in due to a messy hangar that is also a comment apparently made by AS. I do not believe IMO that the so called junk in the hangar (even CM's collections were apparently known to be housed in hangars) was the reason for lack of contracts. Remember WM was alive at this point, he had a voice too at this point ! He was the 'chief' at this point.

It does not appear that DM can be removed as a beneficiary to a private trust IMO. Also any trustee that has been appointed to a private trust could not be removed based on charges unrelated to the trust, do you have any evidence/links that show this to be the case? Links to public trusts are not helpful as they fall into a very different league.

Yes DM is in jail because all evidence in a murder seems to have literally been left on his or his mothers doorstep !!!!!!!! (you were saying about collectors holding you as collateral ? what better place to hold you than in solitary in a jail. And liening your family ? Mothers doorstep comes to mind !! )

DM doesn't have any family to lien except a mother... his mother apparently has not been at her home in a while. We do not know why. Weekly collectors do care what you dismantle, in fact they can actually destroy your business if you do not comply with their 'terms'. It would not benefit them to kill DM at this point as DM being alive is what keeps Millard enterprises alive. If OC (or collectors) are syphoning money through a MillardAir connection then keeping DM alive and out of the way makes perfect sense IMO.
 
  • #871
responses in red...and thank you for your opinion

Not my opinion, but case law. And, yes trustees certainly can be compelled to release information. And yes, even in private trusts.
 
  • #872
Not my opinion, but case law. And, yes trustees certainly can be compelled to release information. And yes, even in private trusts.

I am sorry but I do not agree. I do respect your opinion.
 
  • #873
If only we were privy to all the facts ! Maybe DM decided to wind down the business based on infiltration of sorts. It is not a fact that coffers were low, that was a comment by AS...I doubt coffers were low, IMO DM may have sensed that certain people were in for personal gain. It is not a fact that the contracts for hangar were not coming in due to a messy hangar that is also a comment apparently made by AS. I do not believe IMO that the so called junk in the hangar (even CM's collections were apparently known to be housed in hangars) was the reason for lack of contracts. Remember WM was alive at this point, he had a voice too at this point ! He was the 'chief' at this point.

It does not appear that DM can be removed as a beneficiary to a private trust IMO. Also any trustee that has been appointed to a private trust could not be removed based on charges unrelated to the trust, do you have any evidence/links that show this to be the case? Links to public trusts are not helpful as they fall into a very different league.

Yes DM is in jail because all evidence in a murder seems to have literally been left on his or his mothers doorstep !!!!!!!! (you were saying about collectors holding you as collateral ? what better place to hold you than in solitary in a jail. And liening your family ? Mothers doorstep comes to mind !! )

DM doesn't have any family to lien except a mother... his mother apparently has not been at her home in a while. We do not know why. Weekly collectors do care what you dismantle, in fact they can actually destroy your business if you do not comply with their 'terms'. It would not benefit them to kill DM at this point as DM being alive is what keeps Millard enterprises alive. If OC (or collectors) are syphoning money through a MillardAir connection then keeping DM alive and out of the way makes perfect sense IMO.

A trust is an org. with a settlor/grantor, trustee(s), and beneficiary(s) regardless of what type. They aren't legal entities like a company/corporation and as such any "dealings" are with the trustee(s) not anyone else. So either call DM a trustee or a beneficiary, as he can't both, ie. acting as trustee and also benefiting from the same trust, as a trustee position is a fiduciary position. Trust inside trusts, seems like a red herring inside red herring.........IMO.

The players, trust types and positions in the presented scenarios continue to morph and change as they are legitimately questioned and addressed. IMO

Anyway this is circular speculation with no bases in anything other than maybe increasing our post count. IMO
So I'm out.
 
  • #874
I am sorry but I do not agree. I do respect your opinion.

I happen to work in the trust industry. I know the trust laws, I know how trusts and estates work.
 
  • #875
Reminder

When posting your opinion state just that. IMO, IMHO etc. This thread seems to have posts that are stating facts without the link to back it up.

If you don't have a link, then don't post it as fact.
 
  • #876
A trust is an org. with a settlor/grantor, trustee(s), and beneficiary(s) regardless of what type. They aren't legal entities like a company/corporation and as such any "dealings" are with the trustee(s) not anyone else. So either call DM a trustee or a beneficiary, as he can't both, ie. acting as trustee and also benefiting from the same trust, as a trustee position is a fiduciary position. Trust inside trusts, seems like a red herring inside red herring.........IMO.

The players, trust types and positions in the presented scenarios continue to morph and change as they are legitimately questioned and addressed. IMO

Anyway this is circular speculation with no bases in anything other than maybe increasing our post count. IMO
So I'm out.

I think it was myself that explained to you that DM cannot be both beneficiary and trustee of same trust. I even provided a wikilink with this info. He can however be a trustee of a different trust. Therefore he can be both...but of different 'trusts'. Acting as a trustee and also benefitting from such a trust is a no go area I will agree as I have said before. I do not see how a trust within a trust is a red herring. Many trusts are within trusts...even the government operates these type of (for want of a safer word) schemes.

Even if you remove the word 'trust' from the equation totally and simply say there could be a connection at MillardAir who links to OC. Said connection(s) would need to play by OC rules or risk the consequences. Do we know of anyone who pulled out of MillardAir after the murder of TB? I know we cannot name or sleuth people that LE have not designated as a POI...but that doesn't mean the possibilty does not exist and that there is a connection that as yet cannot be addressed. JMO MOO
 
  • #877
A trust is an org. with a settlor/grantor, trustee(s), and beneficiary(s) regardless of what type. They aren't legal entities like a company/corporation and as such any "dealings" are with the trustee(s) not anyone else. So either call DM a trustee or a beneficiary, as he can't both, ie. acting as trustee and also benefiting from the same trust, as a trustee position is a fiduciary position. Trust inside trusts, seems like a red herring inside red herring.........IMO.

The players, trust types and positions in the presented scenarios continue to morph and change as they are legitimately questioned and addressed. IMO

Anyway this is circular speculation with no bases in anything other than maybe increasing our post count. IMO
So I'm out.


We're splitting hairs here, of course, and a third entity is useful where considerable wealth is involved, so many well-off families, particularly where a number of relatives are involved, will also establish a closely held holding company for the sole purpose of participating in its trusts.

In the example I gave earlier, however, where a person has purchased assets with their own funds and they are held in trust for that person (the settlor) by that person's closely held company (the trustee) for its active company's shareholder (its beneficiary) the only time that tax liability would accrue to the true underlying owner is when that asset is sold - assuming there are capital gains. In other words, the trustee corporation in such private arrangements has practically unlimited licence to deal with funds in whatever manner it chooses.

Given then, as I've shown, that the personal owner, the company's principal management and the shareholder can all be one and the same person, you can see how many possibilities there are in such arrangements and, indeed, how settlor, trustee and beneficiary can be one and the same person.

However, in the event that the true owners of some or all of MillardAir's assets were members of the Millard family, in their own name, but third parties had inserted themselves into this trustee corporate structure in a decision making capacity, the worst thing that could happen would be the winding down of the company, because, while as we know "the business of business is to make money", there are also many situations in which "the business of business is to hide/launder money" or, much more commonly, "the business of business is to enrich its employees at its expense until there's no money left." In other words, some corporations exist for the sole purpose of losing money.

Again, as I said, rats in the cupboard can do a great deal of damage, particularly when third parties enter into the decision making aspect of privately held companies. We understand that things had already begun to go pear shaped during WM's tenure; that DM could not or would not right the ship and was trying to sell off the assets. If OC is involved, this could represent a multi-million dollar problem with even greater ramification than might be readily evident. IMO.


That being said, if DM was carefully set up to take a big fall, it would require one or more very knowledgeable individuals to organize and prepare the ground since the death of WM and possibly even earlier. Hopefully LE is not just spending time building a case against DM and MS but is also continuing to seek out evidence and investigate all possible motives that could have led to the tragic murder of TB regardless of whether DM and MS were involved.
 
  • #878
We're splitting hairs here, of course, and a third entity is useful where considerable wealth is involved, so many well-off families, particularly where a number of relatives are involved, will also establish a closely held holding company for the sole purpose of participating in its trusts.

In the example I gave earlier, however, where a person has purchased assets with their own funds and they are held in trust for that person (the settlor) by that person's closely held company (the trustee) for its active company's shareholder (its beneficiary) the only time that tax liability would accrue to the true underlying owner is when that asset is sold - assuming there are capital gains. In other words, the trustee corporation in such private arrangements has practically unlimited licence to deal with funds in whatever manner it chooses.

Given then, as I've shown, that the personal owner, the company's principal management and the shareholder can all be one and the same person, you can see how many possibilities there are in such arrangements and, indeed, how settlor, trustee and beneficiary can be one and the same person.

However, in the event that the true owners of some or all of MillardAir's assets were members of the Millard family, in their own name, but third parties had inserted themselves into this trustee corporate structure in a decision making capacity, the worst thing that could happen would be the winding down of the company, because, while as we know "the business of business is to make money", there are also many situations in which "the business of business is to hide/launder money" or, much more commonly, "the business of business is to enrich its employees at its expense until there's no money left." In other words, some corporations exist for the sole purpose of losing money.

Again, as I said, rats in the cupboard can do a great deal of damage, particularly when third parties enter into the decision making aspect of privately held companies. We understand that things had already begun to go pear shaped during WM's tenure; that DM could not or would not right the ship and was trying to sell off the assets. If OC is involved, this could represent a multi-million dollar problem with even greater ramification than might be readily evident. IMO.


That being said, if DM was carefully set up to take a big fall, it would require one or more very knowledgeable individuals to organize and prepare the ground since the death of WM and possibly even earlier. Hopefully LE is not just spending time building a case against DM and MS but is also continuing to seek out evidence and investigate all possible motives that could have led to the tragic murder of TB regardless of whether DM and MS were involved.

Thanks Carli, you seem to know a lot about the various types of Trusts. I wish I had a whiteboard and marker to follow.

Since most of my knowledge of murder cases comes from television and film (embarrassed but mostly glad), I must ask those regular Websleuths or better yet anyone with related experience on these boards, what would LE do now? Just focus on their case against the two as it were, or would they follow any leads that are favourable to the accused? Meaning do they look beyond any reasonable doubt?
 
  • #879
I must ask those regular Websleuths or better yet anyone with related experience on these boards, what would LE do now? Just focus on their case against the two as it were, or would they follow any leads that are favourable to the accused? Meaning do they look beyond any reasonable doubt?

IMO (but what do I know )

LE and the Crown will continue to seek evidence against DM and MS.

So DP may be the one needing to do some digging into the company and start throwing the findings into the works. Will this happen? Hard to say, without knowing how DP will work. Once DP has well and truly opened up the hornets nest (with the consent of DM of course) it puts the cards onto the table. The Crown will be forced to look at the defense material and in doing so may be compelled to act. Whether they do act to right any wrongs is questionable and it may fall to DM and possibly a legal team to force the issue. That is what I think.... just as I put it out there about the trust possibility, just an opinion but also IMO worthy of investigation...... but what do I know.... ;-) JMO MOO IMO


I am not suggesting here that DP tell his case to the Crown before or at trial (unless necessary). Only IF the defense needs to disclose certain things at trial to defend his client will he disclose the information. If said information is that something untoward is and has been occurring which resulted in DM being set up then that is what I believe should be followed up on. Just adding this paragraph for clarification.
 
  • #880
IMO (but what do I know )

LE and the Crown will continue to seek evidence against DM and MS.

So DP may be the one needing to do some digging into the company and start throwing the findings into the works. Will this happen? Hard to say, without knowing how DP will work. Once DP has well and truly opened up the hornets nest (with the consent of DM of course) it puts the cards onto the table. The Crown will be forced to look at the defense material and in doing so may be compelled to act. Whether they do act to right any wrongs is questionable and it may fall to DM and possibly a legal team to force the issue. That is what I think.... just as I put it out there about the trust possibility, just an opinion but also IMO worthy of investigation...... but what do I know.... ;-) JMO MOO IMO

Thank you, Blomquist. You've left nary a stone unturned - and that's the way it should be. Tim Bosma is worth exploring every possibility and not just the blatantly obvious ones. If detectives had a reasonable doubt, I would hope they would do the right thing for Tim, for SB and for their little girl. You just want the right person to serve the time.

I think the Trust possibility is clever and still a possibility but if there was foul play as contemplated, DM would know and he can prove it easily, MOO. If he was framed but doesn't know why, the first thing DP will look at is his legit dealings. If he knows why, then it probably has more to do with his shady associates, MOO.

If nobody else is on trial can DP even present a case against third parties framing DM as part of his defence? It's just that it would explain how and why EVERYTHING so blatantly points to DM.

Oiye, a long road ahead.
 
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