The Doe Network, Part 3: Who is Princess Blue?

[Jaded]

Actually, Kimberly has/had medium brown hair but anyhoo..why does the fact that Kimberly has "lighter" hair make it more likely for her to be Princess Blue? If there was no hair samples available for Princess Blue we don't know what color her hair was. Do we??

Do we know what color Princess Blue's hair was? I spoke with Kimberly's mother and Kimberly always dyed her hair either light or medium brown, but her natural color was dark brown.

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

I don't know if we know what color Princess Blue's hair was. I was just assuming Princess Blue's hair must have been light brown according to what Sloane posted. I always thought that no hair was found at the scene where Princess Blue was found so I don't understand why Sloane said the following:
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sloane
"To those who are granted much, much is expected."
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Hi everyone-
It's been hard to find the time to be here at the length that I would like to be...but I still read! (Like Lion, I suppose...hi Lioness! We miss you!):blowkiss: Thank you RKnowley for that info. re: Kimberley's height. That, plus the fact that she has/had light brown hair makes me lean a little more the way I already was leaning...that this really could be a match!

I also wanted to let everyone know that Princess Blue's case is on Kelly's site, "Project Jason". I saw it there the other day! From the home page, go to the list on the left side and click on "Forum," then the 7th forum down is "Unidentified Deceased" and there she is! Last time I checked she already had about 60 hits. That's 60 more ppl. to see her than if she weren't there, so...as rich says, "cool beans!" (Where are you rich? Still bogged down w/ work?) For those of you who may not know, it's kind of a "facts only" forum, and words of support, a place for resources, but not really a chat forum, or a websleuthing one.

warmly,
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-sloane

They only remember what you DON'T do...

Do we know what color Princess Blue's hair was? I spoke with Kimberly's mother and Kimberly always dyed her hair either light or medium brown, but her natural color was dark brown.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I have been asked to post this while Craig's registration is going through:

>> Hi,
>>
My name is Craig Malisow, and I'm a reporter with the Houston Press,
a weekly paper. I'm interested in writing a story about the unidentified
woman known as Princess Blue and was wondering if I could post a
general query, with my contact info, on this forum. I think there are folks
on here who would be vital to the story.

Thanks,
Craig
713.280.2481
www.houstonpress.com
[email protected]

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Thanks Jeana!

 

[LionRun]

Thank you Jeanna.!

Hi RKnowley:blowkiss:! Hi Sloane:blowkiss:! Hi Jaded:blowkiss:!

Welcome Craig. I am glad you are here and interested in Princess Blue's story!

About Princess Blue's hair color: I think based on her facial structure and perhaps in part her skeletal structure the forensics team hypothesized that Princess' hair was most likely medium/dark brown or possibly black. Sloane may have some input concerning her hair color as well.

Lion

 

[Sable]

I just stumbled across this...


Grave mistake made in cold case
[SIZE=-1]09:02 AM CDT on Friday, June 22, 2007[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]By Brad Woodard / 11 News[/SIZE]

<snip>
Ultimately, a DNA sample will be entered into a national database, but beyond that, experts hope to study the victims bone structure and reconstruct a face out of clay enabling the department to come up with a composite sketch, like a recent one of a woman whose body was found dumped in a field near Manvel 17 years ago.
<snip>

Yes, they are talking about Princess Blue. And there's a video that was most likely televised, which is awesome. :]:woohoo:


Oh, and sorry for not being around much. I started school Monday, and in a couple weeks my boyfriend and I are closing on a house, so life's been pretty hectic. Tomorrow I'll try to add some of the articles that were posted as well as info about Kimberly to Princess Blue's MySpace.

ETA: Is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing in that snip? They created a face out of clay and then drew up a composite? Why no picures of the bust then?

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Hi LionRun! How you doing? Hopefully doing well. Sure sounds like you have been staying busy there.

Regarding Princess Blue's hair color sloane made a statement regarding Kimberly and she said that because she now knows that Kimberly's hair was light brown (which it is actually naturally dark brown but she kept it dyed light brown to medium brown) she was leaning more towards the way she was actually leaning and that would be that Kimberly could be a match for Princess Blue. I asked Sloane about about her statement but haven't received any response from her at all. I don't know if she has been around WS lately or not. I really would like to know why Sloane thinks that Princess Blue had light brown hair.

Thank you Jeanna.!

Hi RKnowley:blowkiss:! Hi Sloane:blowkiss:! Hi Jaded:blowkiss:!

Welcome Craig. I am glad you are here and interested in Princess Blue's story!

About Princess Blue's hair color: I think based on her facial structure and perhaps in part her skeletal structure the forensics team hypothesized that Princess' hair was most likely medium/dark brown or possibly black. Sloane may have some input concerning her hair color as well.

Lion

 

[LionRun]

Thank you Sable. I have been very busy as well, but I read every day and still research to help identify her. Best to you and your boyfriend in your new home!

Here is the link to the article
http://www.khou.com/news/local/brazoria/stories/khou070621_tj_gravemistake.1669e09.html

Lion

 

[Sable]

Thanks for catching the fact that I forgot a link, and for posting it.

 

[LionRun]

Thanks for catching the fact that I forgot a link, and for posting it.

You're welcome Sable, and I am sorry I accidentally called you, "Jaded".:blushing:

Lion

 

[LionRun]

Hi Sloane! How you doing? Hopefully doing well. Sure sounds like you have been staying busy there.

Regarding Princess Blue's hair color sloane made a statement regarding Kimberly and she said that because she now knows that Kimberly's hair was light brown (which it is actually naturally dark brown but she kept it dyed light brown to medium brown) she was leaning more towards the way she was actually leaning and that would be that Kimberly could be a match for Princess Blue. I asked Sloane about about her statement but haven't received any response from her at all. I don't know if she has been around WS lately or not. I really would like to know why Sloane thinks that Princess Blue had light brown hair.

Hi RKnowley. I just accidentally called Sable, "Jaded", and you just accidentilly called me, "Sloane". ROFLMAO:.

I just re-read Sloane's post regarding Princess's hair color and Kimberly, and I understand your confusion. I don't know either, but I have always been under the impression that her hair in life was most likely medium to dark brown to black. Hopefully, Sloane will pop in and we can ask her to clarify further.

I hope you and your family are doing well, and it is so good to hear from you:blowkiss:.

Lion

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

ROFL..we really are on one tonight! Sorry, LION, LOL.

Things are well here. Please keep in touch with us. We enjoy seeing you around when you get the time to pop in.

Take Care :blowkiss:

Hi RKnowley. I just accidentally called Sable, "Jaded", and you just accidentilly called me, "Sloane". ROFLMAO:.

I just re-read Sloane's post regarding Princess's hair color and Kimberly, and I understand your confusion. I don't know either, but I have always been under the impression that her hair in life was most likely medium to dark brown to black. Hopefully, Sloane will pop in and we can ask her to clarify further.

I hope you and your family are doing well, and it is so good to hear from you:blowkiss:.

Lion

 

[LionRun]

ROFL..we really are on one tonight! Sorry, LION, LOL.

Things are well here. Please keep in touch with us. We enjoy seeing you around when you get the time to pop in.

Take Care :blowkiss:

I am glad things are well with you, and I will pop in when I can.

Lion

 

[Craig Malisow]

Hey all,

Just got the ME's report. To my layman eyes, it doesn't appear to say much, other than she had a "defect" in the left tibia, which is one of the bones below the knee. I can type the full report into this post, or if someone else wanted to volunteer, it'd be great! It's only about a page and a half...

Thanks,
Craig

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

I'd be more than happy to type it up. Let me know if you still would like a volunteer to help with it!

Hey all,

Just got the ME's report. To my layman eyes, it doesn't appear to say much, other than she had a "defect" in the left tibia, which is one of the bones below the knee. I can type the full report into this post, or if someone else wanted to volunteer, it'd be great! It's only about a page and a half...

Thanks,
Craig

 

[Craig Malisow]

History: These skeletal remains of a Hispanic female were found under a trash pile at the dead end of County Road 101, east of Hwy 288, Manvel, Brazoria County, Texas at 5 pm on Sept. 10, 1990. Some property (jewelry) was recovered at the scene with the skeletal remains.

Autopsy: The uatopsy was performed in the [HCME's office] by forensic pathologist Eduardo Bellas, MD, at the request of and upon the written authorization of the Hon. Bill Todd, Justice of the Peace, Precinct 8, Brazoria County, Texas, beginning at 2 pm on Sept. 11, 1990.

Extrernal Appearance: The bpdy was that of a totally skeletonized human remains which consisted of the entire skull with nonprominant frontal ridges or mastoid process. The nasal aperture were those of a caucasion configuration and the upper arch was U-shaped, resembling mongoloid character. The cheek bones were not prominent. The orbital sockets were rather square. The right and left sides of the upper jaw were not still fused as was not the transversal suture of the hard palate.

The foramen magnum and the configuration of the base of the skull and the outside of the skull showed no abnormalities. Upon removal of the calvarium, it was found that the clivus was almost totally obliterated and the endocranium appeared to be not remarkable. Natural teeth in good condition in part and some in bad condition were observed. According with the Universal System, teeth 1, 17 and 32 (wisdom teeth) were present and unerupted. Tooth 16 was absent. The corresponding alveolar spavce was totally obliterated by mature bone tissue.

There was a large caries on the buccal aspect in tooth 2 and tooth 5 was missing postmortem. Teeth 3 and 4 were in good condition as well as tooth 14 which had a minute occlusal amalgam. Tooth 6 (upper right canine) had extensive caries at the mesial surface extending to the buccal surface as well as toward the lingual area. Tooth 9 (left upper central incisor) had a recent occlusal postmortem fracture at the tip. Tooth 10 was surgically absent and the corresponding alveolar space partially obliterated by mature bone. In the lower arch, tooth 17 was unerupted and tooth 18 had a minute round buccal amalgam. Tooth 19 had a large occlusal caries extending to buccal, mesial and distal aspects with only 1/3 of the crown surface left. Teeth 2o-29 were present. A large caries on the mesial and buccal surgace of tooth 20 was observed. A small lateral caries was noticed in tghe lateral aspect of tooth 29. Teeth 30 and 31 were in good condition, however, the lateral aspect of tooth 30 was observed with black discoloration of the crown area and conssitent with a distal caries.

The lower jaw was intact. The two scapula as well as the hip bones were submitted and the fusion between the first sacral vertebra with the sacrum was incomplete in the anterior portion. the configuration of the three bones of the pelvbis were consistent with female-type and the symphysis pubis with numerous pits alternating with the elevations which suggested a very young person. The fusion of the iliac crests of the hip bones was partial in some areas. The sternum was submitted in two pieces and was not remarkable. 22 ribs were submitted. The right first rib aliong with the second right rib showed a hairline fracture measuring 1-3/4 inches in length in the first right rib and 1-1/4 inches in the second right rib. In addition, 1-1/4 inches before the anterior tip of the second rib there was a transveral compression.

The two humeri with the two cubitus and radii were submitted and not remarkable. Similarly, both femurs, both tibias and fibulas were also submitted. The bones of the extremities showed no abnormalities except for a defect in the distal portion of the left tibia extending up to the articular surface and measured one inch in the virtucal dimension and 1-1/4 inches anteroposteriorly. The length of the humeri was 11-1/2 inches each. The length of both femurs was 16-1/2 inches. The length of the tibia was 13-3/4 inches. Also submitted were the seven cervical vertebrae, the five lumbar vertebrae and the eleven thoracic vertebrae. None of the certebrae submitted showed any abnormalities. In addition, multiple bones of the hands and feet were submitted and were not remarkable. The central portion and the two wings of the hyoid bone were identified and intact.

Lab results: Opiate -- bone marrow=negative

Opinion: It is my opinion that the cause and manner of death of the decedent, unidentified skeletal remains of a Hispanic female, is undetermined.

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Hi Craig!

I am wondering what got you interested in Princess Blue's case? There are so many murdered and unidentified in the Houston & Brazoria counties area. What stood out to you in made you want to get involved in Princess Blue's case?

Thanks!

 

[Craig Malisow]

Good question. The quick answer is that she was simply on the radar, what with the recent release of the sketches. Plus, the fact that folks like yourselves are working hard on this case adds another element to the story. And I think the mystery of the ring is especially interesting. Also, the name "Princess Blue" distinguishes her from other unidentifieds. Does any of this make sense?

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Yes, it makes plenty of sense. That is basically why I became interested in her case to start with. Her doenetwork.org case was posted here at Websleuths. She was a possible solveable case because of the 1975 REL (Houston) Class Ring. Then she was given the name "Princess Blue" by LionRun here at Websleuths and she became like a family member to me.

Good question. The quick answer is that she was simply on the radar, what with the recent release of the sketches. Plus, the fact that folks like yourselves are working hard on this case adds another element to the story. And I think the mystery of the ring is especially interesting. Also, the name "Princess Blue" distinguishes her from other unidentifieds. Does any of this make sense?

 

[LionRun]

Welcome Craig. I am glad you are here! Please let us know what questions, if any you have. Princess Blue is important to all of us here, and we care about her as if she were family. Thank you for posting the autopsy report! Though, I don't think it indicated it in the report, there were no clothes found where her body was discovered. And, the place where she was found was described by LE as a known dump-site of trash and bodies.

It may state that Princess Blue's death was, "undetermined", but it may be possible that she was murdered. It seems there may not have been evidence of cause or manner death, so the manner of death was recorded as undetermined. There was another skeletonized remains of a female body found wrapped in a bedspread in 1993 about one mile from where Princess Blue was discovered. No clothes were found with the remains of the body found in 1993 either. The areas were both bodies were found was a bit off the beaten path, both were petite, young women, and no clothes were found with either set of remains.

This has made me wonder if there is a possible connection between the two. There may be others in and around the area that may have been connected. It seems that there may have been at least four serial killers operating in the Houston area and surrounding counties during that time period.

Hi RKnowley. I went to New York to care for my mom and get her into the hospital, but I am back home in Texas again for now. My mom has terminal cancer, and she is not doing well. It is painful to see her go through so much. She cannot eat, and she weighs about 65LBS. She may have an NG tube(feeding tube) put in tomorrow, but that is only a temporary solution. It may be close to the end for her, and I may need to leave again. I am still working lots of hours, but I will put as much time as I can into identifying Princess Blue. I hope all is well with you and all of our core members here.

Lion