The Doe Network, Part 3: Who is Princess Blue?

[LionRun]

The info based on what a team of forensics specialists say as of about a year ago is that Princess Blue was white, but that a parent or grandparent may have been African American.

Angie, had you heard about this case years ago? I only just heard of it about a year ago after teonspaleprincess posted the first post on thread one. Just curious.

Lion

 

[LionRun]

Angie, do you have a link for Maria Velasquez?

Lion

 

[Gina_M]

I hope her sister didn't think it wasn't her due to the composite. I just thought that her being Asian and White, may have been the reason for the confusion of Princess Blue's race.

It was in a thread for another UID. Sable was actually posting that Elizabeth Campbell might be the UID, and Sable just happened to have Princess Blue's info in her sig. Elizabeth Campbell's sister thought it was being suggested that Elizabeth was Princess Blue. Here is the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1549844

 

[Angie4b1g]

Well ok maybe not years, but at least as long as the threads have been going on here

 

[LionRun]

Thanks, Gina. I remember that thread and posted in it. I am sorry that I didn't recall that Elizabeth Campbell may have been ruled out as Princess Blue. MoonBug, the poster who said she is a relative of Elizabeth stated that back in 9/90 shortly after Princess Blue's remains were found, Elizabeth was ruled as being Princess blue by an investigator in Austin.

Lion

 

[LionRun]

Well ok maybe not years, but at least as long as the threads have been going on here

It does seem like longer that we have been searching for Princess Blue's identity, doesn't it?

Lion

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Hi Angie,

I'm not sure what you mean by "new" composite? The sketch of Princess Blue was only released earlier this year. The first 2 articles that came out on Princess Blue days after she was found in 1990 the articles stated she was white/hispanic. When another article came out about her and the class ring in 2006 it said that Princess Blue was white/hispanic. Then a new forensic workup was done on Princess Blue and they almost completely ruled her out as being hispanic and instead said she was white with a possible mixed race heritage and that possibly one of her parents or one of her grandparents were african american.

IMO it is time for a new composite.

For years before I actually sat down and read into this case more, I thought Princess Blue was black.

 

[diamondgirl]

It was in a thread for another UID. Sable was actually posting that Elizabeth Campbell might be the UID, and Sable just happened to have Princess Blue's info in her sig. Elizabeth Campbell's sister thought it was being suggested that Elizabeth was Princess Blue. Here is the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1549844

Thanks Gina, I read what her sister said. She basically stated she didn't think that was her sister because of the graduation year of the ring, but we already know that the ring could not be princess blue's because she was too young for it to be hers. I don't mean to be a PITA but I just don't think anyone she be ruled out on the ring alone. I mean, chances are it probably isn't Elizabeth Campbell, but who knows. For me, I feel that when I look at a forensic composite that was done from a skeleton, I can't help, but pay attention to the cheekbones. That is the one thing that is going to be the same between the real person and the composite. Elizabeth Campbell has very high cheekbones, just like Princess Blues.

I just wish we knew who she was, because she mattered to someone. I hope I don't sound like im arguing because Im not. Just typing aloud

 

[believe09]

Hi, folks...long time lurker who is kibbitzing a bit-I located some people on the reunion website that were in the class of 74-76 at Lee High School-can't we just ask someone if they knew anyone in the class of 75 who fit the physical description of 175 lbs or so with a larger ring size who might have had an L on their ring?

I assume someone has already obtained a yearbook for the class with the same idea.....I looked on ebay and saw one for 1970 and one for 1979. You get your ring in your sophomore year, right??

 

[LionRun]

Diamondgirl, I understand what you are saying, and I agree that it is a good idea to understand why and how someone is ruled out. According to to the ME's report on Princess Blue, teeth #'s 14 and 19 were present.

See post 216 at this link posted by the reporter, Craig Malisow.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50140&page=6

From the doenetwork, Elizabeth Campbell was missing teeth 14 and 19.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/113dftx.html

Unfortunately, Princess Blue cannot be Elizabeth Campbell if these reports are correct.

Lion

 

[LionRun]

Hi, folks...long time lurker who is kibbitzing a bit-I located some people on the reunion website that were in the class of 74-76 at Lee High School-can't we just ask someone if they knew anyone in the class of 75 who fit the physical description of 175 lbs or so with a larger ring size who might have had an L on their ring?

I assume someone has already obtained a yearbook for the class with the same idea.....I looked on ebay and saw one for 1970 and one for 1979. You get your ring in your sophomore year, right??

Good question, believe, and welcome. I see you on the Benjaman Kyle case! We have a 1975 REL High School yearbook, and a couple of dedicated members have been working on tracking down current contact info. Some letters have gone out.

Please note that the 175 weight idea is out. We don't have a weight for Princess Blue. The weight of 175 was originally speculated upon because the ring Princess had on was a size 9 1/2. However, the ring sizes ran very small, and her weight was likely not close to 175. A team of forensics specialists completed a new examination of her remains in March of 07, and her weight is now considered to be unknown.

We are now open minded to any young woman/girl between the ages of 16 and 22, of any weight with a height from between 4'11" and 5'2". I wouldn't rule out a young woman missing who was reported as having been 5"4" though. It is close enough--if most other things match. And, sometimes a petite woman/girl will state her height as being an inch or two taller than she is. She was likely Caucasian with the possibility of mixed raced ancestry--where a parent or grandparent may have been African American.

Lion

 

[believe09]

Hi, Lionrun-I appreciate the welcome and respect your thoughts all over this forum and elsewhere! I have learned a lot from you.

I was trying to get to the original wearer of the ring, which we knew cannot be Princess because of the age of ring correct? Good to know the weight as an identifier of the ring wearer in high school is out, but disappointing because it was a clue. I am happy to make contact with those I found on reunion even if it is a far-fetched endeavor...I am also not surprised to hear you have the yearbook. I will continue to lurk, and try not to sound so goofy, lol...

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Dear Robert E. Lee Alumni Member:
Please forgive us if this letter is intrusive, however, you are being contacted in hopes that you can provide some information regarding an unidentified girl who was discovered on September 10, 1990, in Brazoria County, Texas. We refer to this unidentified girl as "Princess Blue," as it is only fitting to us that she have a name.

We are an internet community whose purpose is to help find information on missing and unknown persons (like Princess Blue). We have grown to care deeply for her and want more than anything to determine her identity and lay her to rest.

A Mystery Begins
Princess Blue’s skeletal remains were found at a known dumpsite off a county road (located near the juncture of County Road 101 and 288) in Manvel, Texas, on September 10, 1990. Manvel, Texas is located just south of Houston in Brazoria County. Her precise date of death is unknown. While it may have been as long ago as the 1970s, it was more likely in the late 1980s to early 1990. At the time of her death, she would have been 16 to 22 years old.

An Important Clue
One item found at the scene was a 1975 class ring from Robert E. Lee High School in Houston, Texas. It is a classic style silver or white gold banded ladies ring with one blue (sapphire colored) cabochon (completely smooth/ovaled) stone in the center. The stone is most likely a synthetic sapphire, with an "L" inlaid into it. The ring is a size 9½ and has been resized twice. We do not know if it was up-sized or down-sized.

It is because of this ring that we turn to you, the Class of 1975, for help in finding Princess Blue’s identity. The ring may have belonged to her, or to a family member such as her mother or older sister, or to a friend.

Vital Statistics

• Race: Caucasian, with possible mixed ethnic heritage (it is likely one parent or one grandparent was African-American)
• Estimated age: 16 to 22 years old
• Approximate Height and Weight: 4'10" to 5'3" with a slight to medium build
• Hair color: Unknown
• Eye color: Unknown
• Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim possibly had a tumor on her knee. We are currently trying to find out which knee, and if it is possible that the anomaly could have resulted from an injury, disease, or previous surgery. We found out recently there may not have been a pre-mortem anomaly to her knee.
• Dentals: Dental information available
• DNA: In CODIS
• Jewelry:
  1 ring (gold band) with 6 clear stones
  2 thin silver band rings
  1 silver ring band with a scroll design
  1 Robert E. Lee High School ring (1975) with a blue stone and inlaid L under the stone
  1 silver ring with a turquoise unicorn
  1 pearl-beaded bracelet
• Date of Death: Unknown. It is possible that her body was at the Brazoria County location since the 1970s, but was more likely placed there in the late 1980s to early 1990.

Artist's Rendering of Princess Blue

1975 Robert E Lee - Houston Class Ring With Blue Stone.​

You Can Help
If you have any information regarding the identity of the original ring owner, or if you think you may know who Princess Blue (depicted in artist’s rendering above) may be, please contact us or one of the agencies shown below.

Additionally, if you have ANY information, including contact information for any alumni may you know, alumni who may have passed away, or who are not listed in the alumni directory or in the 1975 Class Yearbook for Robert E Lee High School, or who are not on the list of class alumni included with this letter, please contact us by email or snail mail us at the addresses shown below.

Thank you again for your time and help.


Sincerely,
XXXXXXX

Mailing Address:
Email:



Links to learn more and/or get involved in helping to solve Princess Blue’s case
http://www.someoneknowsme.com
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50140
http://uidprincessblue.proboards80.com/
http://www.myspace.com/uidprincessblue

Investigators Contact Information

Anyone with ANY information is asked to contact one of the following:
Manvel Police Sergeant Jay Coffman at 281-489-1212 or e-mail [email protected].
Harris County Medical Examiner 713-796-9292
Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse 800-346-3243
Note: You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

Agency Case Number: U0310014
NCIC Number: U-940003426

Please refer to the above numbers when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

The letter above is basically what is being/was sent to the 1975 REL Houston Class Alumni. It also had the pic of Princess Blue with short hair but I can't seem to find that file on my computer right now. We have sent the letter to approximately 250 of the 1975 Class Alumni and are still mailing them out as time allows.

 

[Earthbound Misfit I]

believe,

we can't completely rule out that Princess Blue was not the original owner of the class ring. If Princess Blue were murdered/died in the mid to late 70's then she would fit the profile we have of Princess Blue. Meaning she would have been between the ages of 16-22 when she died. That most likely isn't the case though. It is more likely that Princess Blue died in the mid 80's up until 1990 when she was found.

Please don't go back to lurking. I think it's great that new people come here and post their ideas and thoughts. It might give us some ideas that have not been tried and also refresh things in our minds that should be reviewed again.

I myself really enjoy seeing new posters here on Princess Blue's thread!

Hi, Lionrun-I appreciate the welcome and respect your thoughts all over this forum and elsewhere! I have learned a lot from you.

I was trying to get to the original wearer of the ring, which we knew cannot be Princess because of the age of ring correct? Good to know the weight as an identifier of the ring wearer in high school is out, but disappointing because it was a clue. I am happy to make contact with those I found on reunion even if it is a far-fetched endeavor...I am also not surprised to hear you have the yearbook. I will continue to lurk, and try not to sound so goofy, lol...

 

[believe09]

believe,

we can't rule out completly that Princess Blue was not the original owner of the class ring. If Princess Blue were murdered/died in the mid to late 70's then she would fit the profile we have of Princess Blue. Meaning she would have been between the ages of 16-22 when she died. That most likely isn't the case though. It is more likely that Princess Blue died in the mid 80's up until 1990 when she was found.

Please don't go back to lurking. I think it's great that new people come here and post their ideas and thoughts. It might give us some ideas that have not been tried and also refresh things in our minds that should be reviewed again.

I myself really enjoy seeing new posters here on Princess Blue's thread!

Thanks for your kindness, RK-you are another whose posts I follow and learn from. It is interesting to see the evolution of data regarding Princess since WS started digging, even down to the ethnicity. I will do my best to catch up and be of use if possible-I think you are completely on the right track with the mailing of the letter...it could break everything wide open.

 

[LionRun]

Hi, Lionrun-I appreciate the welcome and respect your thoughts all over this forum and elsewhere! I have learned a lot from you.

I was trying to get to the original wearer of the ring, which we knew cannot be Princess because of the age of ring correct? Good to know the weight as an identifier of the ring wearer in high school is out, but disappointing because it was a clue. I am happy to make contact with those I found on reunion even if it is a far-fetched endeavor...I am also not surprised to hear you have the yearbook. I will continue to lurk, and try not to sound so goofy, lol...

Believe, I second what RKnowley wrote. I am also glad that you are here, and I hope to hear more of what you have to say. I had to go back and read through threads and reports to be sure of my answers after you, diamondgirl, Gina and others posted--and this is very good! I can re-read and be sure to get my facts straight. Your thoughts and questions are challenging and perhaps just what we need to renew interest in this case.

Please feel free to be a part of the search for Princess Blue's identity. And, thank you for the lovely compliment.

RKnowley, thank you for re-posting the letter!

Lion

 

[aj1020]

I'm copying this post over from a thread on the Located forum about the UID woman who was found with a sorority key. Pixies makes a good point that old class rings are often pawned/purchased. I know this point has been brought up before, but just wanted to re-emphasize how difficult it may be to determine whose class right it was - and even if we do it might not help to determine Princess Blue's identity. *sigh* But we'll keep plugging away, and she will have an identity in the end.

I was thinking of this case yesterday while attending an estate auction. I was bidding on a box of old jewlery and inside I found an old class ring. I asked one of the workers about it and they said the family didn't want any of the stuff and it was not uncommon for class rings to be sold by the heirs.
Class rings are often pawned (by the family) they told me . So there ya go. Maybe that explains how the girl got the ring if she isn't family. I know here in TN, class rings are very cheap in pawnshops. (I asked my brother who use to own a shop. $5-$20)

 

[believe09]

Hi all-I posted a picture of the ring and links to the Princess Blue story on a new forum that was brought to my attention, the City Data Forum, people search. People post looking for relatives and friends there, so under the Houston section I started a thread called "Class of 1975 Robert Lee High."
Here is the link to the forum:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/people-search/

And here is the link to the thread:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/houston/215159-class-1975-robert-lee-high-school.html

Please let me know if this was a mis-step. I was posting some other cases over there and got a jones about putting something up for Princess Blue.

 

[LionRun]

I'm copying this post over from a thread on the Located forum about the UID woman who was found with a sorority key. Pixies makes a good point that old class rings are often pawned/purchased. I know this point has been brought up before, but just wanted to re-emphasize how difficult it may be to determine whose class right it was - and even if we do it might not help to determine Princess Blue's identity. *sigh* But we'll keep plugging away, and she will have an identity in the end.

Hi aj. Though, most if not all of us agree that the HS ring found on Princess's finger may not lead the answers we are searching for, it is still a good lead. IIRC, we researched the possibility of the ring having been bought at a pawn shop.

Balfords (the name of the company that made Princess's ring) in or near Houston said it is very uncommon for anyone to pawn an HS ring, and that they only recall having bought two rings in 30 years. I called two pawn shops in Austin some time ago, and they said pretty much the same thing. This makes sense because only a limited number of people would want to buy an HS ring the the school and city name on on it.

But, the ring could have been given to Princess by a mom, aunt, or much older sister, Princess could have found it, or the ring could have been stolen.

Lion