The enhanced 911 ending

[Linda7NJ]

You don't need motive to prove a crime was committed in a court room or in public opinion.

We know no one accidentally tripped her.

We know she didn't commit suicide.

We know it was a homicide and it certainly was not justifiable self defense.

We know she died at the hands of another.



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[Linda7NJ]

There was a phone call made on the 23rd- zero evidence of anything nefarious going on.






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[FrankieB]

Then explain to me why the Ramseys refused to attend the door themselves, or even let the police officers enter.

 

[mauidreemn]

If you followed the case for 19 years I'd assume you realize how much information on this case was skimmed over in these new series so the latest version of BDI can be on front street. I don't have the time now to post some massive list which you would be aware of anyways.

Dec 23rd- means nothing now as it doesn't conveniently fit into the latest theory.

abuse/sexual assault- never happened and even if it did, means nothing since the 9 year old likely didn't do it

Burke crying that morning- emotionless robots that bludgeon girls don't cry so this is off the table now even though it was documented in a 20 year old buried police report by one of the first officers onscene

Fruit not named pineapple in her system- More evidence unheard of until recently but since it doesn't so easily fit into the pineapple bludgeoning scenario, it doesn't exist. Cant let such a pesky fact get in the way.

That's for starters. If you need anymore, there's a mountain contained in the transcipts and of course several books.




Wow. You're "all in" on BDI yet "don't care" what his motive was or even if there was a motive.

Doesn't sound like you care about any evidence in this case. The fact you'd take from my post that I believe there's a mountain of evidence of an intruder pretty much proves that.

This concludes our specific discussion and we'll both go back to our respective regulary scheduled programming here. I don't see the point in having a discussion with someone who cares nothing about motives or any of the other facts in the case.

It is very difficult for most to look at this case objectively, which is one of the biggest tragedies.

 

[OliviaG1996]

RSBM:

If you followed the case for 19 years I'd assume you realize how much information on this case was skimmed over in these new series so the latest version of BDI can be on front street. I don't have the time now to post some massive list which you would be aware of anyways.

Dec 23rd- means nothing now as it doesn't conveniently fit into the latest theory.

abuse/sexual assault- never happened and even if it did, means nothing since the 9 year old likely didn't do it

Burke crying that morning- emotionless robots that bludgeon girls don't cry so this is off the table now even though it was documented in a 20 year old buried police report by one of the first officers onscene

Fruit not named pineapple in her system- More evidence unheard of until recently but since it doesn't so easily fit into the pineapple bludgeoning scenario, it doesn't exist. Cant let such a pesky fact get in the way.

That's for starters. If you need anymore, there's a mountain contained in the transcipts and of course several books.

I'm BDI, so I'm willing to dispute some of your points that you believe BDI theorists ignore. (Assuming you're addressing all BDIs.)

"Dec. 23rd": As a BDI theorist, I've never personally disputed the strangeness of the call to 9-1-1. The reason behind the call does not have to involve an adult, though.

"abuse/sexual assault": Again, I've never personally disputed that JBR was sexually abused. Not sure which RDI theorist has.

"Burke crying that morning": Can you post the source for this- "it was documented in a 20 year old buried police report by one of the first officers onscene."? I don't recall FW stating anything about BR crying. Would be a stark difference from his behavior at the funeral. Even if he was crying, remember, PR was, too.

"Fruit not named pineapple in her system": Not really sure how other fruit allegedly being named as other items found in JBR's digestive tract eliminates BR from being the perpetrator. Can you please explain?

 

[reintarnation]

While true, I'm pretty sure Patsy was also taking valium at one point although I don't remember if this was in one of the transcripts or books. When was John taking Ativan? That I don't remember.

Sorry - I realize now that my wording was unclear. Patsy took Ativan and Prozac for certain. I am not sure if John took either of those.

 

[BBB167893]

If anyone's interested, according to In Touch, Paul Ginsberg of Professional Audio Labs in New Jersey conducted an analysis of the tape in August. He says he heard Patsy's voice, too. Whatever that's worth to anyone.

 

[mauidreemn]

If anyone's interested, according to In Touch, Paul Ginsberg of Professional Audio Labs in New Jersey conducted an analysis of the tape in August. He says he heard Patsy's voice, too. Whatever that's worth to anyone.

I don't think hearing Patsy's voice is surprising

 

[BBB167893]

I don't think hearing Patsy's voice is surprising

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant after the "hangup." He claimed he heard her say, "Baby, what did you do?"

 

[Sunshine4Me]

invader just said that it was "next to impossible to believe" so obviously he/she does not believe it "had Burke written all over it".

That feces was never actually tested for feces, among other things.

"Where's my baby?" is made up now? THis is the biggest problem with this latest BDI theory being pushed by the media. Not only does it have to ignore tons of evidence, it even has to ignore what little new evidence came out during these latest shows and book. I'm so glad there's at least a few people who haven't developed collective amnesia and pretend everything they've seen over the past twenty years never happened.

This show did a huge disservice to this case and truth and any potential justice were its casualty. Once the smoke from it quickly clears, more people are going to see that because I have doubts that people who have studied the case for years will continue to ignore all the evidence left out just so they can keep saying the flavor of the day which is BDI.

CBS was looking for attention/controversy by going in that direction. It backfired. Its already off the headlines due to other news and now all thats left is a poor case made for it that leaves out the majority of things known about the case. They didn't tackle any of the big issues in the case and I'm glad to see there's at least a handful of people left who saw through the smoke and mirrors. IMO BDI got weaker after that broadcast, not stronger.

Burke might be on the 911 call? That had already been assumed since Moses wore short pants. He was a little nervous and acted a bit strange during his interview? No shocker there. I'm reminded of that old woman on the Wendy's commercial........"Where's the beef?" CBS didn't provide any. You must fill in the blanks and ignore just about everything you know on the case to create a thin Tofu patty in the place of the beef.

Hell, people are now saying "all questions have been answered" even though almost nothing was actually answered. In fact, the series just added more questions to an already very long list so I am blown away by those claiming this series brought some sort of closure.

What are you talking about? "Where's my baby" was something Burke said on Dr Phil, unless you have a source of it being from somewhere before then, that was the first I have heard of it.

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[apabld]

It's likely that John allegedly saying 'We're not speaking to you' was directed towards Burke, but I've thought about some other possible (albeit less likely) scenarios:

- John is directing that line towards Patsy and the 'we're' he's referring to is Burke and himself (in a PDI scenario)
- It's something he's just muttering to himself while reading the random note, directing his anger towards the writer (intruder scenario)

 

[CoolJ]

It's likely that John allegedly saying 'We're not speaking to you' was directed towards Burke, but I've thought about some other possible (albeit less likely) scenarios:

- John is directing that line towards Patsy and the 'we're' he's referring to is Burke and himself (in a PDI scenario)
- It's something he's just muttering to himself while reading the random note, directing his anger towards the writer (intruder scenario)

or someone else who was in the house that night ....

 

[SecretaryGal]

or someone else who was in the house that night ....

Who do you think John was talking to?

 

[CoolJ]

Who do you think John was talking to?

No idea. Could have been Burke. Could have been someone else they are trying to cover for. We don't know what we don't know.

The term "Intruder" is really misleading IMO. It implies someone breaking into the house. Why is there never any discussion about the possibility of someone being there who was welcome in the house?

 

[mauidreemn]

No idea. Could have been Burke. Could have been someone else they are trying to cover for. We don't know what we don't know.

The term "Intruder" is really misleading IMO. It implies someone breaking into the house. Why is there never any discussion about the possibility of someone being there who was welcome in the house?

The Ramsey's stated from the beginning that while PR was calling 911, JR was reading the not on the floor at the same time

 

[CoolJ]

The Ramsey's stated from the beginning that while PR was calling 911, JR was reading the not on the floor at the same time

They would not have called 911 before reading the entire note. And they certainly wouldn't have immediately called 911 after reading the note. No way, no how.
Something is way off here, something is being missed by everybody. PR and JR have been protecting someone right fom the get go and I am not quite convinced Burke is the one(s) they are protecting. JMO

 

[observation]

Why hang up on Kim and assume a foreign faction knows your phone number?


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[fedfan4life]

or someone else who was in the house that night ....

You're suggesting that there was 1. An actual intruder; and 2. John Ramsey had a conversation with him/her as Patsy Ramsey was on the phone with the 911 operator?

 

[singularity]

What are you talking about? "Where's my baby" was something Burke said on Dr Phil, unless you have a source of it being from somewhere before then, that was the first I have heard of it.

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Where in that post did I say it wasn't said on Dr. Phil?

RSBM:



I'm BDI, so I'm willing to dispute some of your points that you believe BDI theorists ignore. (Assuming you're addressing all BDIs.)

"Dec. 23rd": As a BDI theorist, I've never personally disputed the strangeness of the call to 9-1-1. The reason behind the call does not have to involve an adult, though.

"abuse/sexual assault": Again, I've never personally disputed that JBR was sexually abused. Not sure which RDI theorist has.

"Burke crying that morning": Can you post the source for this- "it was documented in a 20 year old buried police report by one of the first officers onscene."? I don't recall FW stating anything about BR crying. Would be a stark difference from his behavior at the funeral. Even if he was crying, remember, PR was, too.

"Fruit not named pineapple in her system": Not really sure how other fruit allegedly being named as other items found in JBR's digestive tract eliminates BR from being the perpetrator. Can you please explain?

For the record Olivia, I shouldn't have aimed some of my recent comments at all BDI members. There are plenty here like you, UK, etc. who are very open minded and look at all the evidence. The comments were mainly aimed at some of these other people who watch one show, say all questions have been answered, its closed, etc. without looking or even caring about the mountain of evidence that has always existed in the case.

The police report is in Woodward's book. I am still waiting for the book through amazon. If anyone here already has the book, maybe they can post the report.

Other fruit eliminates no one.....my point is that people with their simplistic pineapple bludgeoning theory ignore it because they are unsure of how to fit it in.

Abuse- the latest BDI theory that 90% here have jumped on discounts the abuse/sexual assault.

Dec 23rd- many ignore this for convenience now but I agree with you, it doesn't rule anything out.

LIke I said before, I'm in the small group that refuses to ignore evidence just because a TV show does. Its no different than some of the IDI docs over the years that leave key things out. IDI members were happy to ignore RDI evidence left out and we're seeing a similar thing here with this show.

 

[fedfan4life]

Oh, I get it. The step-brother. Interesting that Burke couldn't have been the instigator of this mess, but it is acceptable to pluck an older child of John Ramsey's all the way from Atlanta (if memory serves) to pin it on him.