The Fall Of Kabul To The Taliban #2

  • #101
Skip to 30 minutes to hear his remarks. Biden still claiming that the USA alone evacuated 120,000 people. I suppose most people will not question that information. Biden explains that those who were left behind are dual citizenship people who wanted to remain in Afghanistan. He explains that the Taliban made threats that if the USA did not withdraw, Taliban would continue to destabilize the country. He mentions that 100 countries were involved with Afghanistan.

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I agree that many people will not question that information. However, I have posted Bidens remarks are not entirely accurate to several people on FB today. They seem to not believe it, because it didn't come from our local news agency (which posts exactly from the MSM they are affiliated with). I have simply asked them to look beyond the local news, and pointed them to Daily Mail, Reuters, and yes Websleuths for a different analysis of the story. Additionally, I have asked them why they think the claim that dual citizens wanted to remain was true, as well as the 24 students and parents from San Diego Ca, who are still unaccounted for.
 
  • #102
Are the Taliban still on Twitter?
Yes, that's my understanding, though I don't follow them. If they post items threatening people or spreading dangerous lies to incite violence, then they will eventually lose access to their account, like so many others.
 
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  • #103
Yes, that's my understanding, though I don't follow them. If they post items threatening people or spreading dangerous lies to incite violence, then they will eventually lose access to their account, like so many others.

So, basically, as long as they don't say certain words, they get to spread their message. Understood.
I dunno...I mean, after all, the Taliban are the guys who put a hit out on a 12 year old girl, Malala, just because she stood up and said she wanted to go to school and learn.
 
  • #104
I've been mulling a few questions over...

Where are all these Talibans going to set up house?

How are the Afghanistans going to get money?

Where will the food even come from?

What about electricity and water?

What about Covid and their medical facilities and supplies?

WINTER IS COMING.
 
  • #105
I remain totally unconvinced that this fall of Kabul, and the nightmare of a withdraw was all a surprise to our government leaders. I have gone back and read a few articles from earlier in August. News was coming fast and furious at that time, and I may have missed this.

But, per ABC news on 8/15/21 there was this:

Afghanistan's collapse: Did US intelligence get it wrong?
American intelligence sources say they correctly predicted the fall of Kabul.

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"This is a crisis of untold proportions," Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) told NBC News Sunday as Taliban militants swept into Kabul. "This is an intelligence failure. We underestimated the Taliban and overestimated the resolve of the Afghan Army."

"But numerous U.S. officials tell ABC News that the opposite was true, insisting that key intelligence assessments had consistently informed policymakers that the Taliban could overwhelm the country and take the capital within weeks -- essentially repeating the 1975 fall of Saigon, when helicopters hastily evacuated diplomats from the U.S. embassy's rooftop as the North Vietnamese Army stormed into the South Vietnam capital."



The WSJ had this, on 7/19/21 to add to the confusion:

Internal State Department Cable Warned of Kabul Collapse
July memo shows that administration officials were cautioned about Taliban’s quick advance

"The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it. […] In all, 23 U.S. Embassy staffers, all Americans, signed the July 13 cable, the two people said. The U.S. official said there was a rush to deliver it, given circumstances on the ground in Kabul. The cable was sent to Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and Director of Policy Planning Salman Ahmed. Mr. Blinken received the cable and reviewed it shortly after receipt, according to the person familiar with the exchange. "

WSJ News Exclusive | Internal State Department Cable Warned of Kabul Collapse


Now, today...per the White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki, during her briefing who stated :

I don’t think anyone assessed that they would collapse as quickly as they did. Anyone — anyone in this room, anyone anywhere in the world,... If you have anyone who did I would be surprised.”

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What?
These contradictory statements vs facts known and printed are concerning to say the least.
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And now....?
Crickets........
Mission Accomplished.....moving on...
 
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  • #106
I see there's a new 9/11 documentary on Hulu. I'm watching it now. Being from the metro NYC area and having worked on Wall Street, I took the PATH train from Jersey to the WTC every day for years. And I could see them from my kitchen window my whole life until they fell. Because it's so close to me, I've seen practically every bit of footage and listened to all of the calls, etc. especially every year on the anniversary. But maybe some of you haven't. I highly recommend that everyone watch this documentary, or re-watch some of the old docs and footage and audio to remind themselves of exactly what Biden has re-unleashed on the world. Last time they used our own commercial airlines against us. This time, they're going to use our own military might #neverforget
 
  • #107
So, basically, as long as they don't say certain words, they get to spread their message. Understood.
I dunno...I mean, after all, the Taliban are the guys who put a hit out on a 12 year old girl, Malala, just because she stood up and said she wanted to go to school and learn.

If I had the time to translate every tweet about Afghanistan, they'd probably be disabled (not by just me but many others if the feature was available). I'm sure the top Taliban's tweets are closely watched by others but it's time consuming since twitter stopped the translate feature. It says if the tweeter allows translation, there's a translated tweet but I haven't found one. I find this a big problem. jmo (could be a setting? They had it a few years back, loved it.)
 
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  • #108
If I had the time to translate every tweet about Afghanistan, they'd probably be disabled. I'm sure the top Taliban's tweets are closely watched by others but it's time consuming since twitter stopped the translate feature. It says if the tweeter allows translation, there's a translate tweet but I haven't found one. I find this a big problem. jmo (could be a setting?)

Cut and paste the tweet into google translate
 
  • #109
I see there's a new 9/11 documentary on Hulu. I'm watching it now. Being from the metro NYC area and having worked on Wall Street, I took the PATH train from Jersey to the WTC every day for years. And I could see them from my kitchen window my whole life until they fell. Because it's so close to me, I've seen practically every bit of footage and listened to all of the calls, etc. especially every year on the anniversary. But maybe some of you haven't. I highly recommend that everyone watch this documentary, or re-watch some of the old docs and footage and audio to remind themselves of exactly what Biden has re-unleashed on the world. Last time they used our own commercial airlines against us. This time, they're going to use our own military might #neverforget

Hi, neighbor. I'm a born and bred New Yorker and have lived in this city all my life. I remember when the WTC was being built, and I've been there so many times.

My daughter was about a mile away from the WTC on 9/11 and saw the second plane hit. I knew 10 people who died there (one on the plane), although they were more acquaintances than close friends. I had to use my windshield wipers to get the dust off my car windows....a horror, because there probably were human remains mixed in. My best friend goes every year to the memorial ceremony to read her brother's name.

I was teaching in Brooklyn and we had hysterical students all day, some who had parents who worked at the Towers. Frantic parents flocked to school to take their kids home. We had staff crying all day long. In later years I showed documentaries to students who had been too young at the time to grasp what had truly happened. Some didn't even know about the two other planes that were hijacked that day.

I've never gotten over it and it was my first thought when we all saw the Taliban marauding through Afghanistan. How, how, how did we get to this place where the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and ISIS are in charge again?

I agree with you 1000% that people should refresh their memories of that ghastly day, as a reminder of what pigs those people are and how excited they are to destroy us.

I don't want to feel that we spent 20 years in Afghanistan for no reason. It is likely that the presence of the U.S. and other allied forces did protect America from that level of attack, although many Western countries suffered terror attacks anyway. It is difficult though to blink my eyes, like Rip Van Winkle, and 20 years have gone by. Twenty years ago, most of us had never heard of these terror groups. To think of them re-emerging from the pit of hell is atrocious and should put us all on guard. Particularly those of us in cities which are likely to be targeted again.
 
  • #110
RIP so many who died on this horrible unplanned, unexpected outcome. It's horrible to me.

I can't bend to the political side and it pssmoff to even have to.

It's a horrible horrible loss for 20 years. The blame can go back years and years. It's a no win argument. It's over but plan to follow for others who get out or not. My human reaction.
 
  • #111
Hi, neighbor. I'm a born and bred New Yorker and have lived in this city all my life. I remember when the WTC was being built, and I've been there so many times.

My daughter was about a mile away from the WTC on 9/11 and saw the second plane hit. I knew 10 people who died there (one on the plane), although they were more acquaintances than close friends. I had to use my windshield wipers to get the dust off my car windows....a horror, because there probably were human remains mixed in. My best friend goes every year to the memorial ceremony to read her brother's name.

I was teaching in Brooklyn and we had hysterical students all day, some who had parents who worked at the Towers. Frantic parents flocked to school to take their kids home. We had staff crying all day long. In later years I showed documentaries to students who had been too young at the time to grasp what had truly happened. Some didn't even know about the two other planes that were hijacked that day.

I've never gotten over it and it was my first thought when we all saw the Taliban marauding through Afghanistan. How, how, how did we get to this place where the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and ISIS are in charge again?

I agree with you 1000% that people should refresh their memories of that ghastly day, as a reminder of what pigs those people are and how excited they are to destroy us.

I don't want to feel that we spent 20 years in Afghanistan for no reason. It is likely that the presence of the U.S. and other allied forces did protect America from that level of attack, although many Western countries suffered terror attacks anyway. It is difficult though to blink my eyes, like Rip Van Winkle, and 20 years have gone by. Twenty years ago, most of us had never heard of these terror groups. To think of them re-emerging from the pit of hell is atrocious and should put us all on guard. Particularly those of us in cities which are likely to be targeted again.

I could go on and on, but I won't. For some reason, this Hulu is making me cry like I haven't in years. Maybe it's because there are new things from new people -- like Jennieann Maffeo being burned blind and practically dead from jet fuel while waiting at a bus stop, and running with her arms out to the Marriott for help. She got help, but died over a month later from her heinous injuries. With Afghanistan on top of it, it's too much. But everyone needs to watch it, imo. It is REALITY. These "people" are animals. jmo
 
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  • #114
I’m glad the United States is out of Afghanistan.
 
  • #115
  • #116
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Dozens of dogs left at Kabul airport; 'Not ours,' says Pentagon
 
  • #117
Are the Taliban still on Twitter?
I do believe so. Moo

Tech Platforms Try To Limit The Taliban's Social Media Propaganda, But Won't Ban Them

The Taliban of today has a sophisticated social media presence. It has harnessed online platforms as a tool of propaganda and is now using it as a way to govern.

BOBBY ALLYN, BYLINE: The last time the Taliban were in power 20 years ago was before Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. The group sent reporters videotaped statements recorded in caves. Now they turn to YouTube, Instagram and Facebook to spread the word. The platforms ban Taliban content, but sometimes not before it's viewed by thousands. The Taliban also use encrypted messaging apps Signal and Telegram.

RAFFAELLO PANTUCCI: They have found ways of, you know, mastering current social media and the current media environment in such a way to ensure that when people hear what the Taliban want to say, they hear it in the way that the Taliban wanted it to be heard.
 
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  • #118
I do believe so. Moo

Tech Platforms Try To Limit The Taliban's Social Media Propaganda, But Won't Ban Them

The Taliban of today has a sophisticated social media presence. It has harnessed online platforms as a tool of propaganda and is now using it as a way to govern.

BOBBY ALLYN, BYLINE: The last time the Taliban were in power 20 years ago was before Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. The group sent reporters videotaped statements recorded in caves. Now they turn to YouTube, Instagram and Facebook to spread the word. The platforms ban Taliban content, but sometimes not before it's viewed by thousands. The Taliban also use encrypted messaging apps Signal and Telegram.

RAFFAELLO PANTUCCI: They have found ways of, you know, mastering current social media and the current media environment in such a way to ensure that when people hear what the Taliban want to say, they hear it in the way that the Taliban wanted it to be heard.
The account of Talib Times is suspended on twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TalibTimes
 
  • #119
  • #120
I could go on and on, but I won't. For some reason, this Hulu is making me cry like I haven't in years. Maybe it's because there are new things from new people -- like Jennieann Maffeo being burned blind and practically dead from jet fuel while waiting at a bus stop, and running with her arms out to the Marriott for help. She got help, but died over a month later from her heinous injuries. With Afghanistan on top of it, it's too much. But everyone needs to watch it, imo. It is REALITY. These "people" are animals. jmo

I can't imagine the horror of being in NYC on 9/11, and what the victims suffered. I totally agree that terrorism against innocent people is barbaric.

I do think though, that it is important to call out those who perpetrate these acts, and those that support them, by name. For example, Al Queda, Bin Laden, etc. I worry that by using terms such as "those people," some may perceive all Afghans, or all Muslims, as the problem (I doubt that was your intent ;)).
I think that labelling entire groups of people can perpetuate the hatred that fuels eextremism. JMO.
 

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