The Fall Of Kabul To The Taliban #2

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Lengthy article.
By Christiaan Triebert and Haley Willis
Sept. 1, 2021
Covert Evacuations and Planned Demolitions: How the C.I.A. Left Its Last Base in Afghanistan
''In the weeks leading up to President Biden’s Aug. 31 deadline to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan, a secretive and highly secure compound used by the Central Intelligence Agency became a hub for clandestine evacuations before parts of it were deliberately destroyed, an investigation by The New York Times found.

The C.I.A. had used part of the compound called Eagle Base to train Afghan counterterrorism units. Another section — the C.I.A.’s first detention center in Afghanistan known as the Salt Pit — was where a U.S. government report found that the agency had carried out torture on detainees. Structures in both Eagle Base and the Salt Pit were demolished to prevent the Taliban from seizing sensitive materials.

Even as several of these planned detonations were happening, the heliport at the compound was still used to conduct covert evacuations, according to visual analysis and a former agency contractor.

The Times analyzed satellite imagery, corporate records, active fire data and flight paths to assess how the evacuations and planned demolitions played out — and how the Taliban eventually easily gained access to the compound.''

"In the graphic below, we picked three flights from Aug. 15 that show the routes these aircraft typically took over the past few weeks between the site, the airport and sometimes the U.S. embassy compound.''
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''The types of aircraft used — and their opaque ownership structures — provide clues that these flights were most likely designed to be covert and be involved in sensitive missions.

The helicopters are Russian-made Mi-17s, which are commonly flown by the Afghan military, and normally wouldn’t attract unwanted attention in the skies over Kabul''.
 
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  • #123
It appears, the Taliban wasted no time securing resources to restore the airport and experts, no less.

Just don't understand, some thinking the Taliban didn't have the resources to restore the airport, fly the US planes and helicopters. Moo

Moo...they already have or soon will have resources to restore, repair and fly the planes the US left.

Moo...the Taliban are masterful at resourcing. They trained pilots at US private flight schools, in order to fly commercial planes into the Towers. They tried to fly a plane into a major building in DC, but great Americians gave their lives to take the plane down.


Qatari jet lands in Kabul to offer help reopening the airport | Daily Mail Online

A Qatari plane carrying a technical team landed at Kabul airport today - a first since western evacuation flights stopped on Monday night.

The plane brought experts to help the Taliban get the airport running, a source said, allowing evacuation flights to resume and aid to be brought into the country.

Qatar sent its experts after a request from the Taliban, the source added, but no final agreement has yet been reached about what kind of help they can provide.
 
  • #124
Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites

According to an admission obtained from the State Department, Biden officials recently directed federal agencies to scrub their websites of official reports detailing the $82.9 billion in military equipment and training provided to the Afghan security forces since 2001.

The scrubbed audits and reports included detailed accounting of what the U.S. had provided to Afghan forces, down to the number of night vision devices, hand grenades, Black Hawk helicopters, and armored vehicles.

Reports further quantified 208 aircraft and helicopters; 75,000 war vehicles – including 22 Humvees, 50,000 tactical vehicles and nearly 1,000 mine resistant vehicles; and 600,000 weapons – including 350,000 M4 and M16 rifles, 60,000 machine guns, and 25,000 grenade launchers."

"The State Department admitted to removing the reports but justified the move as a way to protect Afghan allies. According to a spokesperson:

“The safety of our Afghan contacts is of utmost importance to us. The State Department advised other federal agencies of to [sic] review their web properties for content that highlights cooperation/participation between an Afghan citizen and the USG or a USG partner and remove from public view if it poses a security risk.”

"It’s worth noting that the Biden administration already put these partners at risk when officials provided lists of Afghan nationals to the Taliban in a misguided attempt to clear them for evacuation. The Taliban, a known terrorist organization with a history of murdering Afghan citizens working alongside U.S. forces, should never have been trusted with those names."

Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites
 
  • #125
More information about the dogs who were left behind, apparently when Kabul Small Animal Rescue's efforts to evacuate them were not allowed to proceed (possibly they ran out of time). The link is to the SPCA International, who had been assisting KSA.

Urgent Update and Action Plan from Charlotte & Kabul Small Animal Rescue (KSAR) - SPCA International

ETA: KSA does state on it's FB page, that they are working with SPCAI, however, I have discovered that SPCAI appears to be a somewhat controversial charity (F Rated Charity and Its Fundraiser Should Be Put on a Leash

The SPCAI link does seem to provide more accurate information than I have seen elsewhere, but JMO.

This has reminded me why (IMO), it's important to research charities and sources, and not take things at first glance. I've followed Nowzad for years, and know that they are a legitimate organization.

ETA2: USA Today update;

Service dogs were not left in Afghanistan: Pentagon denies report

Please note that KSA is a US based charity, and is separate from Nowzad, a UK based charity.

I've seen video on Twtr of Belgian Malinois and German Shepherds running loose at the abandoned airport. I pray that those poor dogs can still be rescued.
 
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Afghanistan: Taliban show off dozens of US-made armoured vehicles and weaponry during victory parade | Daily Mail Online


The Taliban show off dozens of US-made armoured vehicles and weaponry during victory parades which even feature helicopter air displays
  • Events on Wednesday marked a celebration of the U.S. withdrawal from and Taliban recapture of Afghanistan
  • At a Kandahar parade, a Black Hawk helicopter trailing the Taliban flag was seen flying above crowds
  • A long line of green Humvees and other armoured vehicles were driven in single file by armed Taliban fighters
  • Parades came just hours after U.S. President Joe Biden defended the withdrawal of troops from the country
 
  • #127
This contradiction between the transcript of July 23, where it appears that Biden was fully aware that the Taliban was poised to quickly take over Afghanistan, and recent statement from Biden claiming he was unaware of the strength and speed at which the Taliban were taking over Afghanistan, is interesting. I'm curious why he wanted to give the impression that all was well when he knew otherwise. What might be the advantage to withholding that information?

"President Joe Biden wanted the now-departed Afghan president to create the 'perception' that his government was capable of holding off the Taliban - an indication he knew it was only a matter of time before the US ally fell to the Islamic group even while reassuring Americans at home that it would not happen.

In the last phone call between Biden and his Afghan then-counterpart Ashraf Ghani, the American president said they needed to change perceptions of the Taliban's rapid advance 'whether it is true or not,' according to excerpts published on Tuesday.

The call took place on July 23 - weeks before the fall of Kabul - but Biden on Tuesday repeated his assertion that his team was caught flat-footed by the rapid Taliban takeover of the country.
...

Four weeks before Kabul collapsed, Ghani pleaded for more air support and money for soldiers who had not had a pay rise in a decade.
...

A transcript obtained by Reuters from an anonymous source reveals two leaders oblivious to the impending disaster and an American president focused on spinning the message."
Biden told Afghan President they needed to 'change perception' of the Taliban's rapid advance | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #128
Afghanistan: Taliban show off dozens of US-made armoured vehicles and weaponry during victory parade | Daily Mail Online


The Taliban show off dozens of US-made armoured vehicles and weaponry during victory parades which even feature helicopter air displays
  • Events on Wednesday marked a celebration of the U.S. withdrawal from and Taliban recapture of Afghanistan
  • At a Kandahar parade, a Black Hawk helicopter trailing the Taliban flag was seen flying above crowds
  • A long line of green Humvees and other armoured vehicles were driven in single file by armed Taliban fighters
  • Parades came just hours after U.S. President Joe Biden defended the withdrawal of troops from the country

I'm curious about how the Taliban will proceed. They are aligned with China, Russia and Iran. Will they sell off the military equipment to their allies, will they use the equipment to strengthen their position in the region?

Where will all that military equipment be seen next?

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  • #129
It appears, the Taliban wasted no time securing resources to restore the airport and experts, no less.

Just don't understand, some thinking the Taliban didn't have the resources to restore the airport, fly the US planes and helicopters. Moo

Moo...they already have or soon will have resources to restore, repair and fly the planes the US left.

Moo...the Taliban are masterful at resourcing. They trained pilots at US private flight schools, in order to fly commercial planes into the Towers. They tried to fly a plane into a major building in DC, but great Americians gave their lives to take the plane down.

I believe it was Al-Qaeda that trained the pilots. That was Bin Laden's terror group. They did hit the Pentagon, but yes, very brave Americans were able to bring the 4th plane down in Shanksville Pa. before it hit its next target.

I agree with everything you said about the Taliban wasting no time in getting the disabled equipment up and running. I had no doubt this would happen immediately.

Therefore, I reiterate what I posted earlier. There are no women and children at the airport any longer, neither are there innocent Afghanis and those who aided the US there. If they are alive, they are in hiding.
So I still maintain that we should use drones to wipe that airport off the face of the earth and take down any Taliban, Al-Qaeda, ISIS and any other terrorists who are there.

It would be costly but not as costly as what is going to happen to Western nations once the terror groups have reconstituted.

Our government can erase all printed evidence of the weaponry left behind, as @shotgun09 pointed out, but the Taliban and cohorts don't need to read about it. It's all right there and they're cavorting around in pictures that will inspire terrorism worldwide.
 
  • #130
Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites

According to an admission obtained from the State Department, Biden officials recently directed federal agencies to scrub their websites of official reports detailing the $82.9 billion in military equipment and training provided to the Afghan security forces since 2001.

The scrubbed audits and reports included detailed accounting of what the U.S. had provided to Afghan forces, down to the number of night vision devices, hand grenades, Black Hawk helicopters, and armored vehicles.

Reports further quantified 208 aircraft and helicopters; 75,000 war vehicles – including 22 Humvees, 50,000 tactical vehicles and nearly 1,000 mine resistant vehicles; and 600,000 weapons – including 350,000 M4 and M16 rifles, 60,000 machine guns, and 25,000 grenade launchers."

"The State Department admitted to removing the reports but justified the move as a way to protect Afghan allies. According to a spokesperson:

“The safety of our Afghan contacts is of utmost importance to us. The State Department advised other federal agencies of to [sic] review their web properties for content that highlights cooperation/participation between an Afghan citizen and the USG or a USG partner and remove from public view if it poses a security risk.”

"It’s worth noting that the Biden administration already put these partners at risk when officials provided lists of Afghan nationals to the Taliban in a misguided attempt to clear them for evacuation. The Taliban, a known terrorist organization with a history of murdering Afghan citizens working alongside U.S. forces, should never have been trusted with those names."

Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites

What an odd thing to do. Was there some belief that erasing documentation about the munitions would obfuscate the amount of munitions abandoned in Afghanistan? Was it assumed that the Afghanis were incapable of parading the equipment after the USA capitulated? Erasing paperwork does nothing in terms of hiding tanks, vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, guns, uniforms and so on.
 
  • #131
What an odd thing to do. Was there some belief that erasing documentation about the munitions would obfuscate the amount of munitions abandoned in Afghanistan? Was it assumed that the Afghanis were incapable of parading the equipment after the USA capitulated? Erasing paperwork does nothing in terms of hiding tanks, vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, guns, uniforms and so on.

I believe that further on in the Forbes article I posted above, there was an attempt to explain their ( U.S. Gov) rationale for erasing the information. Something equivalent to they didn't want to let the taliban know. (But, they did give the taliban lists of names and other Intel....:rolleyes: )

Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites

ETA: Added link to mentioned article
 
  • #132
The Taliban have the help they need from a technical team to get the airport up and running again. Obviously they can't have a bunch of disabled planes sitting around the tarmac.

"A Qatari plane carrying a technical team landed at Kabul airport today - a first since western evacuation flights stopped on Monday night.

The plane brought experts to help the Taliban get the airport running, a source said, allowing evacuation flights to resume and aid to be brought into the country.

Qatar sent its experts after a request from the Taliban, the source added, but no final agreement has yet been reached about what kind of help they can provide."
Qatari jet lands in Kabul to offer help reopening the airport | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #133
Biden told Afghan President they needed to 'change perception' of the Taliban's rapid advance | Daily Mail Online

As Biden repeats claim that ‘nobody could have known’ Afghan Army would collapse, bombshell transcript from July reveals he pressured Afghan President Ghani to create 'perception' Taliban wasn't winning ‘WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT’
  • Reuters on Tuesday released excerpts from last call between Biden and Ghani before the Afghan president fled
  • They talked for about 14 minutes on July 23 as the Taliban advanced rapidly
  • Biden told his counterpart of a perception that the fight against the Taliban was not going well
  • 'There is a need, whether it is true or not ... to project a different picture,' he said
  • Comments are indication Biden knew it was matter of time before Taliban won
  • In months leading up to withdrawal, Biden predicted pullout would go smoothly
  • Neither appeared to realize just how badly things would go
  • Less than four weeks later the Taliban had captured Kabul
 
  • #134
I believe that further on in the Forbes article I posted above, there was an attempt to explain their ( U.S. Gov) rationale for erasing the information. Something equivalent to they didn't want to let the taliban know. (But, they did give the taliban lists of names and other Intel....:rolleyes: )

Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites

ETA: Added link to mentioned article

That's odd.

The Taliban were provided the names of all Afghanis who assisted the USA in the past 20 years. The list was intended to provide safe passage for those people to the airport for evacuation. Obviously it didn't work out as expected. "Night Letters" were posted on the doors of people who assisted the USA threatening that if they did not appear before the Taliban Court, the death sentence would be imposed. We've since learned that biometric information for Afghanis who assisted the USA has also been given to the Taliban.

I don't think the Taliban, nor anyone else in the world, needs to see paperwork to know that $83 billion in military equipment was donated to the Taliban. Helicopters, planes, tanks and vehicles cannot be hidden by erasing paperwork. It's seems like a decision that might have worked in the 1980s, but not with todays' instant global media communication.
 
  • #135
Report on the plight of a 3 year old child, and others, in Afghanistan.

 
  • #136
I'm curious about how the Taliban will proceed. They are aligned with China, Russia and Iran. Will they sell off the military equipment to their allies, will they use the equipment to strengthen their position in the region?

Where will all that military equipment be seen next?

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Some ex-military commentators on the news recently have been talking about how the Chinese will want to reverse engineer some of the equipment to learn more about certain aspects of the technology.
 
  • #137
Report on the plight of a 3 year old child, and others, in Afghanistan.


This is heartbreaking, the plight of these Afghan children, abandoned and/or orphaned in the streets.
 
  • #138
Sourcing matters. This Forbes link is an op/ed, so it takes some factual information (which may or may not be accurate) and spins it to evoke emotion. His sources so far lead back to his own articles and to a website he runs (he is the CEO of the organization). He may be correct for all we know, but this isn't a source.

I believe that further on in the Forbes article I posted above, there was an attempt to explain their ( U.S. Gov) rationale for erasing the information. Something equivalent to they didn't want to let the taliban know. (But, they did give the taliban lists of names and other Intel....:rolleyes: )

Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites

ETA: Added link to mentioned article

The Daily Mail is also a concern. Their source is an "anonymous source obtained by Reuters" who shared a transcript of the call. Well, where's the transcript? For all we know, the source is the guy who ran away from his country with $$$. OR, it could be a whistleblower in the administration getting the truth out. It all may be correct, but how would someone reading it know? They do include plenty of emotion-evoking language in their journalism, but they should also include this transcript.

Moreover, everyone expected the Taliban to eventually take over since February 2020 if they were paying any attention whatsoever to the Doha Deal. Most of the US public wasn't paying attention, IMO. What we know for sure the Biden administration got very wrong was being strident about the Afghan Army's will to fight at that point, and planning accordingly. Any other mistakes or bad acts* are going to come out in the coming weeks, IMO.

Edited to add bad acts
Biden told Afghan President they needed to 'change perception' of the Taliban's rapid advance | Daily Mail Online

As Biden repeats claim that ‘nobody could have known’ Afghan Army would collapse, bombshell transcript from July reveals he pressured Afghan President Ghani to create 'perception' Taliban wasn't winning ‘WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT’
  • Reuters on Tuesday released excerpts from last call between Biden and Ghani before the Afghan president fled
  • They talked for about 14 minutes on July 23 as the Taliban advanced rapidly
  • Biden told his counterpart of a perception that the fight against the Taliban was not going well
  • 'There is a need, whether it is true or not ... to project a different picture,' he said
  • Comments are indication Biden knew it was matter of time before Taliban won
  • In months leading up to withdrawal, Biden predicted pullout would go smoothly
  • Neither appeared to realize just how badly things would go
  • Less than four weeks later the Taliban had captured Kabul
 
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  • #139
Some ex-military commentators on the news recently have been talking about how the Chinese will want to reverse engineer some of the equipment to learn more about certain aspects of the technology.
Most definitely. But our stuff is all over the world, so they've had plenty of opportunity for a while now, because they have money to gain access to things we've sold to other nations, including buyers in the Middle East. US remains top arms exporter and grows market share
 
  • #140
Majority of Interpreters, Other U.S. Visa Applicants Were Left Behind in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON—The U.S. left behind the majority of Afghan interpreters and others who applied for visas to flee Afghanistan, a senior State Department official said on Wednesday, despite frantic efforts to evacuate those at risk of Taliban retribution in the final weeks of the airlift.

In the early days of the evacuation effort, thousands of Afghans crowded Kabul’s airport seeking a way to flee the country. Some made it through without paperwork, while American citizens and visa applicants were unable to enter.

The U.S. still doesn’t have reliable data on who was evacuated, nor for what type of visas they may qualify, the official said, but initial assessments suggested most visa applicants didn’t make it through the crush at the airport.

“I would say it’s the majority of them,” the official said. “Just based on anecdotal information about the populations we were able to support"

Majority of Interpreters, Other U.S. Visa Applicants Were Left Behind in Afghanistan
 

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