The Fall Of Kabul To The Taliban #2

  • #201
And about the Dogs abandoned, does it matter who owned them? Private contractors or US military? The dogs were put in the situation by the current Administration. Just like the people left behind. End of story. And I am sorry to report no go news about canine heroes as of last check.


Knowing who the dogs belonged to doesn’t change the outcome BUT I feel it’s important to note that our military did not leave their dogs behind.
The dogs that were released at the airport weren’t all contractor dogs either. They were a combination of dogs already in the shelter and contractor dogs picked up during the evacuation.
We know the CDC bans animals coming to the US from Afghanistan. Was that the reason they couldn’t get them out? I still haven’t found any real details on what happened.
 
  • #202
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/02/afghanistan-kabul-taliban-live-updates/

''Today at 9:00 a.m. EDT
The top U.S. military official said it is “possible” the United States will coordinate with the Taliban in the fight against the Islamic State, although he declined to make predictions about potential collaboration with Afghanistan’s new rulers, who could announce a new government as early as Thursday.

“We don’t know what the future of the Taliban is, but I can tell you from personal experience that this is a ruthless group from the past, and whether or not they change remains to be seen,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters Wednesday. “In war, you do what you must,” he added, even if it is “not what you necessarily want to do.”

American commanders worked with the Taliban to facilitate the evacuation of more than 124,000 people from Afghanistan in recent weeks. Both the United States and the Taliban share a common threat in the Islamic State, which was responsible for an attack outside Kabul airport last week that killed 13 U.S. service members and more than 170 civilians.''
 
  • #203
Sept 1 2021
In Leaving Afghanistan, U.S. Reshuffles Global Power Relations
''After Afghanistan’s U.S.-backed government collapsed on Aug. 15, Beijing couldn’t contain its glee at what it described as the humiliation of its main global rival—even though Washington said a big reason for withdrawal was its decision to focus more resources on China.''

Aug 30 2021
Opinion | Russia and China Eye a Retreating U.S.
''America’s retreat from Afghanistan is ending tragically—and that has sweeping strategic implications. One major misjudgment underlying the “ending endless wars” mantra was that withdrawing affected only Afghanistan. To the contrary, the departure constitutes a major, and deeply regrettable, U.S. strategic realignment. China and Russia, our main global adversaries, are already seeking to reap advantages.

They and many others judge Afghanistan’s abandonment not simply on its direct consequences for global terrorist threats, but also for what it says about U.S. objectives, capabilities and resolve world-wide.''

After Withdrawal: How China, Turkey, and Russia Will Respond to the Taliban - War on the Rocks
August 31, 2021
by Michael Kofman, Aaron Stein, and Yun Sun
''An old proverb says that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” but the success of Taliban forces in wresting control over most of Afghanistan from the government of President Ashraf Ghani may complicate matters for three countries whose relationship with the United States is always fraught, and often antagonistic. Leaders in Beijing, Ankara, and Moscow likely shed no tears while watching Ghani’s American- and NATO-backed regime crumble, taking with it any lingering hope that the two-decade mission in Afghanistan could create in the troubled country a durable regime sympathetic to America and the West. But the rise of the Taliban creates its own set of challenges for leaders in China, Turkey, and Russia, each of which see themselves as important regional powerbrokers.

China and the Taliban: A Match Made Under Heaven?

Having cultivated a good relationship with the Taliban for the past decade, and with a recent high-profile official visit by a Taliban delegation led by the group’s number two leader Abdul Ghani Baradar on July 28, Beijing sees itself as having finally bet on the right horse in Afghanistan. Since the Taliban’s takeover of the country, China has demonstrated an unprecedented level of positive reception, political endorsement, and diplomatic support of the Taliban. However, there are ferocious debates ongoing in China as to what the best strategy is moving forward vis-à-vis its poor, unstable, and destabilizing neighbor.''

Sept 2 2021
China reacts positively to Russian plan to hold 'Extended Troika' meeting in Kabul
''BEIJING: China on Thursday reacted positively to a Russian proposal to convene a new meeting of the 'Extended Troika' on Afghanistan in Kabul - the first such conference since the Taliban seized power last month.

Russia plans to convene a new meeting of the 'Extended Troika' on Afghanistan in Kabul after the resumption of commercial flights, Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Morgulov was quoted as saying by the Russian news agency Sputnik.

"We believe we should contribute to urgent stabilisation jointly with other international partners,” Morgulov said.

"To that end, we plan to convene a new meeting of the Extended Troika, which includes Russia, the United States, China and Pakistan, in Kabul as soon as there are conditions. I mainly refer to the resumption of the Kabul airport operation for commercial civil aviation flights," he said''
 
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  • #205
The Last American To Die In The Afghan War: 'He Was Helping People'

According to a Pentagon spokesperson, Knauss didn't die immediately, only later succumbing to his wounds. That means he was likely the last American service member killed in the war.

"He was helping people, and if he was the last, I would be grateful that no one else would ever feel what I'm feeling," she said. "God, it doesn't feel good. I'm in shambles and I'm hurting but to know that no mother, father, wife, brother sister ever has to feel such emptiness. I mean, the gravity of it, you know, I would be grateful to know he was the last."

The last of more than 2,400 U.S. service members killed in the war, along with more than 100,000 Afghan troops and civilians.

The Last American To Die In The Afghan War: 'He Was Helping People'
 
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  • #207
Knowing who the dogs belonged to doesn’t change the outcome BUT I feel it’s important to note that our military did not leave their dogs behind.
The dogs that were released at the airport weren’t all contractor dogs either. They were a combination of dogs already in the shelter and contractor dogs picked up during the evacuation.
We know the CDC bans animals coming to the US from Afghanistan. Was that the reason they couldn’t get them out? I still haven’t found any real details on what happened.
My understanding is the contractors were told to get on the plane or they would not get another flight out. Rescue dogs had previously been flown out all week. One rescue worker stayed behind. She had tried to take a puppy with her and was denied. So she is trapped in Kabul. She tried to keep as many dogs as she could corralled but they ran off. It is not looking good for these dogs.
 
  • #208
  • #209
Does anyone here know if and how many American troops remain over seas from injuries sustained in the blast from last week?

And, has there been any update given on the where abouts or any information of the citizens still stranded in Afghanistan? Specifically the over two dozen students from California?
 
  • #210
My husband is so worried about me. I have been spitting nails all week. My son is absolutely heart broken. His friends at the airport ended up being OK. But they were sent back out into the same crowd that got their buddies blown up the day before. Absolutely terrifying.
 
  • #211
Does anyone here know if and how many American troops remain over seas from injuries sustained in the blast from last week?

And, has there been any update given on the where abouts or any information of the citizens still stranded in Afghanistan? Specifically the over two dozen students from California?

A lot more than is being told to the media.
 
  • #212
''WARSAW, POLAND -- Doctors at Poland's main children's hospital say a 5-year-old Afghan boy, recently evacuated from Kabul, has died and his 6-year-old brother, who has undergone a liver transplant, remained in life-threatening condition after they ate poisonous mushrooms.

The family picked and ate highly poisonous death cap mushrooms in the forest around the refugee center where they were staying near Warsaw.

Doctors said the parents are at the hospital, under psychological care. Poland evacuated the family last month at Britain's request after the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan.
The father had worked for the British in Afghanistan.''
 
  • #213
My husband is so worried about me. I have been spitting nails all week. My son is absolutely heart broken. His friends at the airport ended up being OK. But they were sent back out into the same crowd that got their buddies blown up the day before. Absolutely terrifying.

Wow...That is terrible to hear. I'm sure that there will be more soldiers speaking out to media about what happened on the ground in Kabul. Even if it means they will be relieved of duty. MSM is not the only choice they have to go to anymore. And I think most people are wise to get their news from multiple sources nowadays to ferret out the truth.
 
  • #214
Does anyone here know if and how many American troops remain over seas from injuries sustained in the blast from last week?

And, has there been any update given on the where abouts or any information of the citizens still stranded in Afghanistan? Specifically the over two dozen students from California?

All 20 U.S. service members who were injured in the terrorist attack last week in Afghanistan and later were treated in Germany have returned to the United States for further care, military officials said Tuesday

'We're Here; We've Got Their Back': US Service Members Injured in Kabul Blast On Road to Recovery

15 Marines wounded in Afghanistan are being treated at Walter Reed


"These numbers continue to change rapidly. We believe that some of these families may be in transit out of Afghanistan, as we have not been able to reach many of them in the last few days," Raj Rai, the school district's director of communications, told NPR in a statement.
Several California Public School Students Are Still Trapped In Afghanistan
 
  • #215
Wow...That is terrible to hear. I'm sure that there will be more soldiers speaking out to media about what happened on the ground in Kabul. Even if it means they will be relieved of duty. MSM is not the only choice they have to go to anymore. And I think most people are wise to get their news from multiple sources nowadays to ferret out the truth.

I know of about half a dozen Marines that were lifers and are submitting their resignations. Sadly, they are exactly what we need in the military and now they will be gone. They will be ok and go to work for contractors for Five times the pay. I am in a LE family as well and many LE, the good guys are leaving.
 
  • #216
My husband is so worried about me. I have been spitting nails all week. My son is absolutely heart broken. His friends at the airport ended up being OK. But they were sent back out into the same crowd that got their buddies blown up the day before. Absolutely terrifying.

I feel ya' SuziQ. I've sold my house and am in a rental as I prepare to expat to a beach destination for good. I never thought I wouldn't want to live in the US, but now I truly don't.
 
  • #217
I know of about half a dozen Marines that were lifers and are submitting their resignations. Sadly, they are exactly what we need in the military and now they will be gone. They will be ok and go to work for contractors for Five times the pay. I am in a LE family as well and many LE, the good guys are leaving.

Yep. And it's hard not to feel like that's the plan.
 
  • #218
All 20 U.S. service members who were injured in the terrorist attack last week in Afghanistan and later were treated in Germany have returned to the United States for further care, military officials said Tuesday

'We're Here; We've Got Their Back': US Service Members Injured in Kabul Blast On Road to Recovery

15 Marines wounded in Afghanistan are being treated at Walter Reed


"These numbers continue to change rapidly. We believe that some of these families may be in transit out of Afghanistan, as we have not been able to reach many of them in the last few days," Raj Rai, the school district's director of communications, told NPR in a statement.
Several California Public School Students Are Still Trapped In Afghanistan

From one of the links and bolded by me:

"Those are the kind of feelings for me that are coming back," she said. "They know that from a military medical standpoint that we're here, we've got their back."

If only the US had their backs from a military, military standpoint:mad:

jmo
 
  • #219
Btw, my son helped evacuate the U.S. Embassy in Yemen. You would be shocked to know how often embassies have a drawdown of staff and full out evacuations of citizens and allies. But we never hear about it. You know why? Because they are done correctly and efficiently. There is no excuse for the for the fiasco in Afghanistan. And while they left vehicles behind in Yemen. They didn't leave so much as a paperclip. They even smashed their weapons with a sledgehammer on the tarmac. No excuse for Afghanistan.

Yemen terror threat prompts State Department to evacuate some embassy staff, warn Americans to leave country "immediately" - CBS News

ITA, no excuses.
Texts Reveal Military Officials Stressed About Leaving Americans Behind in Afghanistan

Snipped quote from article:

”We are f*cking abandoning American citizens,” an Army colonel wrote Sunday in a series of encrypted messages that detailed the botched efforts to rescue a group of American citizens, just hours before the final group of U.S. soldiers left.

A former Special Forces soldier and war correspondent, Michael Yon, who was among the private citizens working to rescue stranded Americans, provided the messages and emails to Just the News, noting that the abandoned Americans were pleading for help.

“We had them out there waving their passport screaming, ‘I’m American,’” Yon said. “People were turned away from the gate by our own Army.”
 
  • #220
From the New York Post and from Reuters

"Reuters has a bombshell report about a July phone call between Joe Biden and then-Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani, in which the US president promises military aid in return for lies.

The “perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things aren’t going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,” says Biden in the July 23 call. “And there’s a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.”

Whether it is true or not.

No, things weren’t going well, three weeks after the US abandoned Bagram Airfield in the dead of night.

Biden’s solution was to create the “perception” that all was fine. He wanted to keep the illusion going long enough to cover his Aug. 31 self-imposed deadline to withdraw US troops and have a victory lap on September 11th, when he would preen as the first president to end the forever war."


“I don’t know whether you’re aware,” said Biden, “just how much the perception around the world is that this is looking like a losing proposition . . . so the conclusion I’m asking you to consider is to bring together everyone from [ex-Afghan Vice President Abdul Rashid] Dostum, to [ex-President Hamid] Karzai and in between. If they stand there and say they back the strategy you put together, and put a warrior in charge, you know a military man . . . in charge of executing that strategy, and that will change perception.”

Ghani tried to explain that the situation was dire: “Mr. President, we are facing a full-scale invasion, composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning and logistical support, and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists.”


Joe Biden’s call to Afghan president is impeachable: Devine



And the Reuter's link, as referenced from above:

Exclusive: Before Afghan collapse, Biden pressed Ghani to ‘change perception’

"Biden said. “And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.”
 

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