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Isabella
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I wasnt sure where to post this. Gerry McCann is now one of the Directors of the fund. Personally I think this is a total conflict of interest. This fund was set up to help to find Madeleine. The McCanns although not prosecuted ... are still the only people really of interest to the police in this case. IMO the McCanns should not be in charge of this money or be able to make decisions ie to pay there mortgage with it OR ..to pay any legal bills with it as they wanted to do before.
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I agree. In the USA it's against the law to sit on the board of a charity if you benefit from the charity.
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Well see theres the problem...the McCanns begged for money so people thought it was a charity - however basically the McCanns set it up as a private business rather than a charity as it gave them more leeway.
Why is this not transparent as claimed? Why are they hiding what they are doing with peoples money? the mccanns issued their first set of accounts to 2008 and itemised everything they spent the publics money on, since then they have concealed their accounts, why? Would it have something to do with using public donations to sue people? Instead of using it to actually find their child?
the mccanns chose NOT to register their fund as a charity, it was an option given to them, but they wantex a private limited company, hmm.
Charities have to be transparent totally, private companies dont
As for the argument that you cant set up a charity for ONE child and thats its illegal this is null and void. The missing girl April Jones family in wales have been givencharity status and the search is for one child
Its also a fact that the charities commision were two secs away of awarding them charity status but they refused it
Read all about it here
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html
the mccanns chose NOT to register their fund as a charity, it was an option given to them, but they wantex a private limited company, hmm.
Charities have to be transparent totally, private companies dont
As for the argument that you cant set up a charity for ONE child and thats its illegal this is null and void. The missing girl April Jones family in wales have been givencharity status and the search is for one child
Its also a fact that the charities commision were two secs away of awarding them charity status but they refused it
Read all about it here
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html
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It also makes me wonder, when reading Kate's diary and Gerry's blog, why neither mentions this momentous occasion of becoming private company directors for the very first time.
Setting up a private company takes time and money.
The McCann were able to effortlessly set it up within 11 days of Madeleine's disappearance, all while allegedly grieving.
Why does NOTHING appear in the diary, at least? Assuming it's an accurate record of Kate's days, it would have to appear prominently.
It isn't even referred to. This ommission is a clear indication the "diary" was written after the fact, and written to hide what was really going on in that time frame.
Of course, Gerry did not expect to see his daughter again. He was already planning her one year anniversary publicity drive.
Gerry's musings on 3 June 2007 (his daughter has been missing for ONE MONTH)
"We would look at high-profile people who have already pledged support. It will be some sort of focus around an anniversary, to tell people that Madeleine's still missing. I think it would be later this year, once media attention has dropped, to bring it back up, hopefully, for a short period.
"It wouldn't be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that. What we're doing at the minute has its role but doing that down the line in a few months won't have anything like the same impact. We might have a sporting event, something arts, something music.
"We've had backing from sporting people up to now. We have had backing from certain musical celebrities as well. We've got some other musical contacts that we are exploring, who are happy to offer support.
"We're not saying it would necessarily be one big concert, it might be that on a certain day they are playing her DVD.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
He is already planning a massive event...which never happened.
This is unbelievable. Are these the words of a grieving father clinging to hope, or are they the words of a canny businessman taking advantage of his daughter's disappearance?
One month, he is planning her anniversary concert. After one month.
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:cow:
Setting up a private company takes time and money.
The McCann were able to effortlessly set it up within 11 days of Madeleine's disappearance, all while allegedly grieving.
Why does NOTHING appear in the diary, at least? Assuming it's an accurate record of Kate's days, it would have to appear prominently.
It isn't even referred to. This ommission is a clear indication the "diary" was written after the fact, and written to hide what was really going on in that time frame.
Of course, Gerry did not expect to see his daughter again. He was already planning her one year anniversary publicity drive.
Gerry's musings on 3 June 2007 (his daughter has been missing for ONE MONTH)
"We would look at high-profile people who have already pledged support. It will be some sort of focus around an anniversary, to tell people that Madeleine's still missing. I think it would be later this year, once media attention has dropped, to bring it back up, hopefully, for a short period.
"It wouldn't be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that. What we're doing at the minute has its role but doing that down the line in a few months won't have anything like the same impact. We might have a sporting event, something arts, something music.
"We've had backing from sporting people up to now. We have had backing from certain musical celebrities as well. We've got some other musical contacts that we are exploring, who are happy to offer support.
"We're not saying it would necessarily be one big concert, it might be that on a certain day they are playing her DVD.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
He is already planning a massive event...which never happened.
This is unbelievable. Are these the words of a grieving father clinging to hope, or are they the words of a canny businessman taking advantage of his daughter's disappearance?
One month, he is planning her anniversary concert. After one month.
:sick:
:cow:
First of all there is no fund set up directly to benefit just April Jones. The fund there has been set up to help he rlocal community such as the local primary school,volunteer groups etc http://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/117460/missing-april-jones-fund-to-be-registered-as-a-charity.aspx
"The fund will be put towards helping the search teams and volunteers, the local primary school and hopefully a lasting legacy for Machynlleth, as well as offering support to the family. "
Therefore it met the requirements of the charity commission and charities act 2006.
It is untrue that the find madeleine fund coudl have been registered as a chairty. the charity commission is just a regulator it is illegal for it to make exceptions. It follows the law, it does not make it. There has been no evidence that the charity commission were prepared to break the law for the McCanns, and I find it odd that people want the law to be broken.
The mCcanns had three choices 1) keep the moeny in their own account - this required no accounting of funds
2) set up another bank account in the funds name, but which required no accounting.
3) set up a company which reuires accounting. This is the option they chose, and set up a not for profit company which requires accounting.
They have received no public money, only private donations fom individuels, donations in lieu of compensation after media outlets admitted writing lies about them, and royalties from a book kate herself wrote. It is up to private indivdiuels if they donate their money or not, and it is not up to anyone else to dictate that they should or should not. Mush of the private donations also came before the fund had even been set up, and were made to the mccanns themselves so they were legally entitiled to keep it if they had wished, but they did not.
Coudl anyone here please link to where they are getting the information that the charity commission was going to break the law and award them charity status. I doubt that the charity commissionw as going to do this, so would be interested where the story originated from.
"The fund will be put towards helping the search teams and volunteers, the local primary school and hopefully a lasting legacy for Machynlleth, as well as offering support to the family. "
Therefore it met the requirements of the charity commission and charities act 2006.
It is untrue that the find madeleine fund coudl have been registered as a chairty. the charity commission is just a regulator it is illegal for it to make exceptions. It follows the law, it does not make it. There has been no evidence that the charity commission were prepared to break the law for the McCanns, and I find it odd that people want the law to be broken.
The mCcanns had three choices 1) keep the moeny in their own account - this required no accounting of funds
2) set up another bank account in the funds name, but which required no accounting.
3) set up a company which reuires accounting. This is the option they chose, and set up a not for profit company which requires accounting.
They have received no public money, only private donations fom individuels, donations in lieu of compensation after media outlets admitted writing lies about them, and royalties from a book kate herself wrote. It is up to private indivdiuels if they donate their money or not, and it is not up to anyone else to dictate that they should or should not. Mush of the private donations also came before the fund had even been set up, and were made to the mccanns themselves so they were legally entitiled to keep it if they had wished, but they did not.
Coudl anyone here please link to where they are getting the information that the charity commission was going to break the law and award them charity status. I doubt that the charity commissionw as going to do this, so would be interested where the story originated from.
You ommitted the last part - What we want at the current time is maximum message out there now, about her disappearance but then just events to bring it back up occasionally just to remind people, if shes not found.
he is also following advice from the US department of justice:
Media Involvement: After the First 48 Hours.
At first, you may feel overwhelmed by the intense media interest generated by your child's disappearance. After a week or so, however, if your child has not been found, you may run into the opposite problem. If media interest dies down, you will have to work to keep the story going. Here are some things you can do to keep your child's story in the public eye.
Devise "media hooks" to keep your child's story in front of the public. Schedule a press conference on an important day, such as National Missing Children's Day (May 25), or prepare a press release to coincide with Federal or State legislation relating to missing, exploited, or victimized children. Remember, you don't know how long you will have to search for your child, so you need to plan for the long term. Ask a family member or friend to help if you find the task too difficult.
Give the story a new slant. To give the story a new look, you may want to change the tone of your interviews. Try bringing in someone new to discuss the case, such as a politician, sports personality, popular entertainer, or someone close to the investigation.
Pace yourself. Parcel out new developments in the case in separate announcements to spread coverage over a longer period of time. Ask law enforcement to notify the press of significant developments, such as important leads or items found during the physical search.
Keep the story alive by tying it to a variety of events and activities. You can hold a candlelight vigil, announce a reward, or show how celebrations such as a birthday, holiday, or graduation are different without your child. You can tie your child's story to something that will be broadcast repeatedly, such as a popular song on the radio. Then, every time the song plays, it will be a reminder that your child is still missing. If you can create a way for the media to present your child's story in a different way, it is more likely to be run. Remember that media attention increases when you hold special events and when anniversaries come up. Also, remember to coordinate all events and activities with law enforcement, because they can be an important part of the overall investigative strategy.
So Gerry follows advice from the US department of justice and he is wrong apparently. Apparently he should get advice on missing children from the madeleine foundation (who trie dto mislead with their fifty "facts" booklet about what gery had said in this regard, and which despite bleating that the mccanns did not break the law and have a charity set up, have set up some sort of organisation that is not a registered charity, not registered with companies house, but asks for donations under madeleine's name which they do not send out public accounts for at all - so not the best people to quote)
The link is in the first post and there is no issue of breaking any law at all. It is a ,ong articke but do try and read it, your questions will be answered.
As to April Jones fund, it is all concerned with just the search for ONE child, so no different in any way from the mccann fund, only that was not made into a charity but a private limited company which sells posters wristbands car stickers prayer cards for money, the millions donated by people being for this very prupose, but they decided to make more money, strange lot
Lets not forget the singly valiant point, that as a private company they dont have to be transparent about the use of the donated money and indeed the mccanns have not been, chosing to hide their accounts from the public, probably to hide embarrassment of using alot of it to sue people, a charity does by lawhave to betransparent
The April jones fund is not a fund for searching for missing April. It is a fund set up to benefit her local school, her community, the volunteer groups, and help her family. If it was just for her and her family it would nto have got charity status, but because it is for the wider community and school it meets the requirements. It is illegal for the charity commission to allow a fund set up to benefit specific named individuels to become a charity - if one thinks about it there is a good reason why. Anyone who wanted to avoid tax coudl set up a charity specifically to benefit themselves and their family.
Not for profit companies are just as transparent as charities. remember the scandel when it turned out many UK charities had millons in Icelandic banks that they were just letting sit there.
Not for profit companies have to submit transparent accounts annually, so they do not hide anything.
As for the first link, it is not a primary source and nowhere does it say the charity commission have claimed they were about to give it charity status. In fact it admits that although when the fund made an intial application to the charity commission it was about general missing children, that it stated they would intially spend the funds on madeleine. This would have meant it did not meet the requirements. If one looks at the details of the find madeleine fund one will see that it states that once madleien is found the fund will continue as a general missing persons charity. The article also suggests that the mccanns coudl just have opened up another bank account instead of forming a nfp comapny, and this would have meant not one single bit of accounting was needed unlike NFP company status.
And as for kate not writing about it in her diary. It was a diary to help her through her emotions. perhaps setting up a NFPC did not mean as much to her as her daughter being abducted.
There is also no record of the fund being used to sue people. Legal expenses were for the funds own legal expenses i.e set up. The mccanns have used carter ruck for the contempt and lebel cases, and they have used a conditional fee arrangement which means even if they win the mccanns pay nothing not even a cut of the compensation. So far the compensation has earned the fund nearly a millon pounds.
Not for profit companies are just as transparent as charities. remember the scandel when it turned out many UK charities had millons in Icelandic banks that they were just letting sit there.
Not for profit companies have to submit transparent accounts annually, so they do not hide anything.
As for the first link, it is not a primary source and nowhere does it say the charity commission have claimed they were about to give it charity status. In fact it admits that although when the fund made an intial application to the charity commission it was about general missing children, that it stated they would intially spend the funds on madeleine. This would have meant it did not meet the requirements. If one looks at the details of the find madeleine fund one will see that it states that once madleien is found the fund will continue as a general missing persons charity. The article also suggests that the mccanns coudl just have opened up another bank account instead of forming a nfp comapny, and this would have meant not one single bit of accounting was needed unlike NFP company status.
And as for kate not writing about it in her diary. It was a diary to help her through her emotions. perhaps setting up a NFPC did not mean as much to her as her daughter being abducted.
There is also no record of the fund being used to sue people. Legal expenses were for the funds own legal expenses i.e set up. The mccanns have used carter ruck for the contempt and lebel cases, and they have used a conditional fee arrangement which means even if they win the mccanns pay nothing not even a cut of the compensation. So far the compensation has earned the fund nearly a millon pounds.
April Jones fund is for supporting volunteers looking for April ergo it really is just around one child.
The link is by a qualified accountant, I trust you didnt read it
Lastly it is a total given unequivocable and unquestionable FACT that the madeleine fund has used its monies to sue Dr Amaral, did you not read all the previous links given you, over time, its all in black and white and signed off by John Mcann, well thats before he actually resigned in the end for some reason
this is just ONE link proving it for one years accounts, there are others
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id352.html
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So yes there IS a legal record of the fund being used to sue
it is also a FACT that the fund accounts have not been transparent to the public
It is also a FACT that after being donated 4 million pounds the mccanns to this day SELL posters wristbands car stickers and luggage tags for MONEY and if that wasnt bad enough they via their relatives and themselves directly complained to the govt that they werent recieving financial aid from them!!! You just couldnt make any of this up really.
The link is by a qualified accountant, I trust you didnt read it
Lastly it is a total given unequivocable and unquestionable FACT that the madeleine fund has used its monies to sue Dr Amaral, did you not read all the previous links given you, over time, its all in black and white and signed off by John Mcann, well thats before he actually resigned in the end for some reason
this is just ONE link proving it for one years accounts, there are others
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id352.html
page 2
So yes there IS a legal record of the fund being used to sue
it is also a FACT that the fund accounts have not been transparent to the public
It is also a FACT that after being donated 4 million pounds the mccanns to this day SELL posters wristbands car stickers and luggage tags for MONEY and if that wasnt bad enough they via their relatives and themselves directly complained to the govt that they werent recieving financial aid from them!!! You just couldnt make any of this up really.
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http://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/117460/missing-april-jones-fund-to-be-registered-as-a-charity.aspx
That is the right way to go about running a fund, to help make a real difference not to line someones pockets,
lets not forget, if Madeleine and the twins hadn't been left alone, apparently night after night, we wouldn't be needing to discuss the fund, because the child would have been protected by the parents doing what they should have been doing, looking after their children,
illegal? maybe not!
responsible? absolutely not in my opinion!
That is the right way to go about running a fund, to help make a real difference not to line someones pockets,
lets not forget, if Madeleine and the twins hadn't been left alone, apparently night after night, we wouldn't be needing to discuss the fund, because the child would have been protected by the parents doing what they should have been doing, looking after their children,
illegal? maybe not!
responsible? absolutely not in my opinion!
The fund regarding April Jones is also for her local school and community, it is not just to fund a search for her so it can be made a charity. the fund for madeleine is at present just for searching for madeleine.
All we have to do is send an FOI to the charity commission asking if the madeleine fund meets the requirements for a charity, and whether they have ever claimed they were going to give the fund charity status despite it not having a public benefit. I'll email tomorrow.
Just because someone had the opportunity to take a child does not mean it is OK that they did.
All we have to do is send an FOI to the charity commission asking if the madeleine fund meets the requirements for a charity, and whether they have ever claimed they were going to give the fund charity status despite it not having a public benefit. I'll email tomorrow.
Just because someone had the opportunity to take a child does not mean it is OK that they did.
The mccanns recieved public donations inthe millions to help search for their daughter and they CHARGE the public doubly to help search for her by CHARGING them for ordering posters car stickers ect what do you call that if not fraud 
nite dear
nite dearNice if they show where their fundraising has gone though but they hide it, transparency and a,, as they say is a joke really isnt it, theyve used so mich for legal bills
Evidence has been provided again and again so why you are asking is anyones guess
it has been quoted several times on here and links given to their submitted accounts how the fund has been used to sue Mr Amaral, you seem to be ignoring such quotes and links, therefore I wont waste my time and link AGAIN, I really dont know how many more times you need, it has nothing to do with carter ruck but their portuguese lawyer which they have paid to legally represent them in this case, its all inblack and white if you chose to read
Oh and their annual accounts they submit are not transparent as promised
Eta
SEE post 382 here
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8374475&highlight=Representation#post8374475
READ the chairmans statement here just for one year, which explicitly states the use of the fund for legal expenses to sue, the rest can easily be found
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id303.html
Please dont ask again for any evidence of such
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Apparently the Fund has stopped paying for Private Detectives now, not that any of the so called Private Detectives seem to have found anything at all with regards to locating Madeleine.
So if the fund is no longer supporting searches, what is it for?
Has the Money from the book advance and the subsequent profits from sales been accounted for yet?
Kate McCann apparently stated all proceeds from the book would go to the search for Madeleine, does that mean proceeds from actual book sales once the advance has been recouped or does it mean all proceeds and what is the search situation now that no Private Detectives are employed?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11754319
So if the fund is no longer supporting searches, what is it for?
Has the Money from the book advance and the subsequent profits from sales been accounted for yet?
Kate McCann apparently stated all proceeds from the book would go to the search for Madeleine, does that mean proceeds from actual book sales once the advance has been recouped or does it mean all proceeds and what is the search situation now that no Private Detectives are employed?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11754319
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