The Girlfriend's Statement

[LambChop]

That is really not consistent with words being exchanged.
Which also was reported as part of Zimmerman's story.

Didn't GZ's father also state that GZ told him that version when they were on a talk show with GZ's attorney at the time?????

 

[jjenny]

Your news report doesn't actually report what GZ said. It reports a CBS interpretation of what an unnamed law enforcement source reported GZ said that was an unquoted interpretation as well. It's not evidence of what GZ actually said, it's just evidence of sloppy reporting by CBS.

(While even direct quotes from named sources can be wrong a report that includes neither is often just rumor mongering.)

ITA. From other reports its clear to me Zimmerman claims there was exchange of words before the fight.

 

[LambChop]

I believe the interview she gave to the media might come in.

Was she actually in the interview? I thought those were sound bites from a recording Crump had made and it was not her full statement at the time. jmo

 

[jjenny]

Was she actually in the interview? I thought those were sound bites from a recording Crump had made and it was not her full statement at the time. jmo

I don't know what it was exactly. They never showed her face. It could be something Mr. Crump given abc, but I presume it still can come in. If I were the defense lawyer, I would want to get her full statement that she had given to Mr. Crump or abc.

 

[Karmady]

what makes you guys so sure that is even her?

If we can talk about why we think it is her, I think we can probably talk about why some think it isn't, no? So, why do you think it isn't her? Or better yet, do you think you know that it is someone else, and why? -- without naming her, of course.

If I'm misinformed about this girl, I'd like to know.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Your news report doesn't actually report what GZ said. It reports a CBS interpretation of what an unnamed law enforcement source reported GZ said that was an unquoted interpretation as well. It's not evidence of what GZ actually said, it's just evidence of sloppy reporting by CBS.

(While even direct quotes from named sources can be wrong a report that includes neither is often just rumor mongering.)

Yes, I am aware of that, which is why I agreed with JJenny somewhere upthread that we don't have GZ's actual statements.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Here's a question more for the Zimmerman supporters regarding this young lady's words. I'm not even sure if this could happen as I've not read up or done a lot with calling a "hostile witness." The question is: Do you think Mr. O'Mara should subpoena this young lady if the prosecution doesn't? Why/Why not?


Here's my answer: If the prosecution doesn't call her I don't think the defense should either. I can understand tearing her testimony to shreds because it would otherwise be damaging to your case, but to call her if the prosecution doesn't just to make an example out of her is wrong, I think. To do so could put a label on her name for the rest of her life, and I don't think anyone should be put through the ridicule that could follow - especially someone her age. Her story doesn't add anything to the case other than possibly who started the confrontation, but that's not solid as it would depend on one's understanding and definition of the word "confrontation." Based on the audio at the start of this thread I'm going to go on a HUGE limb and say she's probably learned from her mistake already - she sounded annoyed (kept cutting off the investigator) and to me it just seemed like she wanted to get back to her life and continue ignoring this as she was previous to Mr. Crump's involvement with her.

The legal commentators on HLN said she will be a very important witness for the state. I also do not believe the state would have charged GZ with 2nd degree murder if they didn't think they had the evidence to convict.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I believe the interview she gave to the media might come in. And from what I heard, there was no "get off" in the interview given to abc.

It is not uncommon for witnesses to a crime to forget details and then recall them. I posted earlier about a tool LE uses called body talk. They have found that this helps people recall more facts and details in a case.

 

[CathyinTexas]

ITA. From other reports its clear to me Zimmerman claims there was exchange of words before the fight.

Actually, no. According to GZ, he was hit from behind, no words exchanged. I edited this because I now recall that GZ said he was verbally confronted by TM while he was in his car, yet it is obvious from the 911 calls that he was not. He was still on the phone with dispatcher when GZ left his vehicle and began his pursuit of TM. There were statements from either LE or his spokesperson who said TM approached and circled his cars. Those statements are not consistent with the evidence which include his conversation with the dispatcher. Those inconsistent statements may prove him to be a liar. If so, then the jury can disregard all his testimony.

 

[jjenny]

It is not uncommon for witnesses to a crime to forget details and then recall them. I posted earlier about a tool LE uses called body talk. They have found that this helps people recall more facts and details in a case.

It's also not uncommon for witnesses to get details wrong. So while this "body talk" might help people to recall more facts, how accurate are these facts and details?

 

[jjenny]

What GZ said was "quoted" by his father and friend Francis, which makes them witnesses. It is not hearsay if the defendant spoke directly to the defendant. There was also the brother on CNN who said GZ wanted him to speak for him and he was relaying to the public what GZ told him to say. They will be witnesses, I assume. In those stories he was walking back to his vehicle and was jumped from behind by TM, if I am not mistaken. jmo

Well you are mistaken. Zimmerman's father claimed there was exchange of words. Here.

"(George Zimmerman) went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking to his vehicle," Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding, at that point, Trayvon Martin walked up to him and asked him, 'Do you have a [expletive] problem?' "

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/2...at-his-son-threatened-his-life/#ixzz1vQX2wft2

 

[CathyinTexas]

Well you are mistaken. Zimmerman's father claimed there was exchange of words. Here.

"(George Zimmerman) went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking to his vehicle," Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding, at that point, Trayvon Martin walked up to him and asked him, 'Do you have a [expletive] problem?' "

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/2...at-his-son-threatened-his-life/#ixzz1vQX2wft2

That is right, now that I recall. He said TM supposedly used the word homie and that TM said GZ was going to die, and also after TM was shot directly in the heart (we now know from the autopsy report) he said you got me, or something to that effect. So we are supposed to believe that TM said those things. Two ear witnesses said that right before the shot a person was screaming and immediately after the shot, the screaming voice stopped.

 

[suzihawk]

Well you are mistaken. Zimmerman's father claimed there was exchange of words. Here.

"(George Zimmerman) went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking to his vehicle," Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding, at that point, Trayvon Martin walked up to him and asked him, 'Do you have a [expletive] problem?' "

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/2...at-his-son-threatened-his-life/#ixzz1vQX2wft2

With respect, Zimmerman, Sr. was not there and is relying on what his son told him, who has every reason to lie to cover his arse. Zimmerman, Sr. has told several other 'mistruths' as well. He has no credibility, IMO.

 

[stmarysmead]

Is the young girlfriend making the rounds of these shows?

 

[stmarysmead]

The Prosecution has to release ALL of their evidence per Discovery. They can't have anything else filed away that they are going to pull out at the last minute for court.

The ONLY evidence they could not publicly release are the statements by GZ at the police station and records from reconstruction of the event with GZ the next day, which are also GZ's statements. Those items are part of the defense.

Everything else was REQUIRED to be released by the prosecutor, per Florida law.

So what are we waiting for?

Back on topic...what else could the GF add at this point?

 

[BiancaS]

The Prosecution has to release ALL of their evidence per Discovery. They can't have anything else filed away that they are going to pull out at the last minute for court.

The ONLY evidence they could not publicly release are the statements by GZ at the police station and records from reconstruction of the event with GZ the next day, which are also GZ's statements. Those items are part of the defense.

Everything else was REQUIRED to be released by the prosecutor, per Florida law.

So what are we waiting for?

Not sure how this works, but going back to Casey Anthony, the doc dumps happened in several parts, sometimes older info came out later than recent info. I don't know why, can anyone explain this? I can understand more recent interviews, etc., but what about the Statement(s) of GZ, etc.

 

[LambChop]

Not sure how this works, but going back to Casey Anthony, the doc dumps happened in several parts, sometimes older info came out later than recent info. I don't know why, can anyone explain this? I can understand more recent interviews, etc., but what about the Statement(s) of GZ, etc.

Once that portion of their investigation and they release those reports. Investigations are always ongoing up to the day of the trial and maybe even afterwards which would explain rebuttal. jmo

 

[stmarysmead]

Some think this young lady will be a fine defense witness. She puts TM beside the house he was staying in, stating TM told her that, and then he MUST backtrack to be at the location where the shooting took place. There is no testimony from her or other witnesses, nor any evidence indicating that GZ drug TM back 50-70 yards away from that residence at any time.

That has TM seeking out the confrontation.

 

[BiancaS]

New link (more direct) to the girlfriends audio statement. Last on the left is the full 22 minute interview. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/u...-tells-what-she-heard-on-phone.html?src=recg#

 

[LambChop]

Some think this young lady will be a fine defense witness. She puts TM beside the house he was staying in, stating TM told her that, and then he MUST backtrack to be at the location where the shooting took place. There is no testimony from her or other witnesses, nor any evidence indicating that GZ drug TM back 50-70 yards away from that residence at any time.

That has TM seeking out the confrontation.

I did not see that written anywhere. Do you have a link?