The Girlfriend's Statement

[Karmady]

Bold: I absolutely did. My immediate thought was "Are you kidding me? You felt guilty yet you didn't contact anyone even after learning that your boyrfriend was shot?"

Note: "Anyone" includes Mr. Martin's parents, the local law enforcement, an attorney, NO ONE.

My speculation is that she felt guilty only AFTER she was told the same story Crump sold to the media about how Trayvon had been hunted down like an animal by a "white" racist vigilante. Notice how she said that Trayvon had concluded that George was "white" when he saw George in his car...really? He concluded that a "latino-looking" guy was white even though the guy was in his car, in the dark, at a distance. Not buyin' that at all even assuming that you could conclude, visually, that George is white under ANY circumstances. Even the officers on the scene described him as latino.

I think that the girl initially didn't come forward because she and whomever she told about the phone conversation, if anyone, assumed that the circumstances of his death were in some way related to Trayvon's own conduct. I think Crump convinced her that she was way wrong about that and THAT is why she felt guilty, if she did. jmo

 

[HiHater]

GZ sure doesn't sound like an "old man" to me. And never mind he is only 28. And she only came up with "get off" after much probing from an interviewer.

To her, he sounded like an old man. Since it's her statement, I trust her perception.

 

[HiHater]

My speculation is that she felt guilty only AFTER she was told the same story Crump sold to the media about how Trayvon had been hunted down like an animal by a "white" racist vigilante. Notice how she said that Trayvon had concluded that George was "white" when he saw George in his car...really? He concluded that a "latino-looking" guy was white even though the guy was in his car, in the dark, at a distance. Not buyin' that at all even assuming that you could conclude, visually, that George is white under ANY circumstances. Even the officers on the scene described him as latino.

I think that the girl initially didn't come forward because she and whomever she told about the phone conversation, if anyone, assumed that the circumstances of his death were in some way related to Trayvon's own conduct. I think Crump convinced her that she was way wrong about that and THAT is while she felt guilty, if she did. jmo

The police concluded he was white too, per the police report.

 

[Karmady]

The police concluded he was white too, per the police report.

Read the doc. dump. It's in there. And it's part of the narrative, not just the label attached at the top of the report.

 

[jjenny]

I would assume if she was his girlfriend spent 5 hours or so on the phone with him just that day, she would recognize his voice????

She says I could hear a little bit, and that is after he asks her Last you heard was some type of noise and she responds "yea."

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I disagree. I really think she was just very upset and emotional and it was extremely hard for her to talk about it. Did you notice how she said she felt very guilty?

The poor thing must feel horrible about not being able to help him that night. I know I would be devastated. They are just kids. This is going to haunt the poor girl for the rest of her life.

I also think that she is telling the absolute truth because if she wanted to make up a story, it would have been a much more damaging story than that was.

BBM.

This.

 

[deelytful1]

Bold: I absolutely did. My immediate thought was "Are you kidding me? You felt guilty yet you didn't contact anyone even after learning that your boyrfriend was shot?"

Note: "Anyone" includes Mr. Martin's parents, the local law enforcement, an attorney, NO ONE.

She's a CHILD and children do not have the same thought processes we as adults do... I'm sure this is just another reason WHY she feels guilty.
When I was a child a friend of mine claimed to be suicidal over a girl and called me crying.... I talked to him and never in a million YEARS thought to tell my parents! He called 2 other friends that night as well and NO one contacted his or their own parents. He was found dead the next day... I felt guilty for years until i realized... Kids just don't THINK the way adults do and can NOT be held responsible for that kind of stuff!

 

[AJ Noiter]

The police concluded he was white too, per the police report.

Police do not "conclude" someone's race.

 

[jjenny]

I would assume if she was his girlfriend spent 5 hours or so on the phone with him just that day, she would recognize his voice????

The head set was already off. By her own admission, she could only hear a "little bit" whatever that means.

 

[HiHater]

Police do not "conclude" someone's race.

Semantics.

They listed his race as white on the police report.

I hope that's clearer?

 

[AJ Noiter]

She is not a trained law enforcement officer or investigator. I refuse to shift the blame to a 15-16 year old child. They didn't do their jobs, regardless of what obstacles stood in the way---they didn't get to her like they should have. Witnesses don't always come forward...

JMO

Where did I blame her? I believe my statement implies lack of trust in what I heard.

 

[jjenny]

To her, he sounded like an old man. Since it's her statement, I trust her perception.

Well maybe 28 years old is ancient to a 16 year old.

 

[deelytful1]

She says I could hear a little bit, and that is after he asks her Last you heard was some type of noise and she responds "yea."

I listened to it... so I'm not getting your point here?

 

[AJ Noiter]

She's a CHILD and children do not have the same thought processes we as adults do... I'm sure this is just another reason WHY she feels guilty.
When I was a child a friend of mine claimed to be suicidal over a girl and called me crying.... I talked to him and never in a million YEARS thought to tell my parents! He called 2 other friends that night as well and NO one contacted his or their own parents. He was found dead the next day... I felt guilty for years until i realized... Kids just don't THINK the way adults do and can NOT be held responsible for that kind of stuff!

So what you're saying is that:
1) Her parents have no conscience or
2) She didn't even tell them

So... we're right back to where we started.

 

[jjenny]

I listened to it... so I'm not getting your point here?

My point is, after the head set was off, whatever she heard likely was very faint.

 

[HiHater]

Well maybe 28 years old is ancient to a 16 year old.

Perhaps.

 

[deelytful1]

Well maybe 28 years old is ancient to a 16 year old.

I agree....

 

[HiHater]

My point is, after the head set was off, whatever she heard likely was very faint.

Which is exactly what she said, she just doesn't have as vast of a vocabulary as you do.

 

[deelytful1]

So what you're saying is that:
1) Her parents have no conscience or
2) She didn't even tell them

So... we're right back to where we started.

I'm sorry.. can you explain how you got "her parents have no conscience" after all that?

 

[deelytful1]

Police do not "conclude" someone's race.

They most certainly do! if they see a suspect fleeing from a scene.. even though what may be in reality a "light skinned latino" they will put in their report "a white male" if that's what they "think" he may be.
If they see a light skinned black man, they might put in their report that they appeared to see a latino.
They are trying to "identify" by the color of their skin.
Common practice....