The Girlfriend's Statement

[IzzyBlanche]

Your interpretation, as I read it, was they she had some well-founded distrust of the police. MY interpretation is that she had some well-founded knowledge of how things typically go down in her world. And I think she was right. jmo

Exactly! In her world well-founded distrust of the police = well-founded knowledge of how things typically go down = a lackadaisical response to an AA complaint.

So why bother?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well what made her change her mind then?

The phone records proving she was talking to TM at the crucial time.

ETA: Someone had to have explained to her that she was going to be subpoenaed no matter what.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Well what made her change her mind then?

Crump
JMO

 

[Karmady]

Exactly! In her world well-founded distrust of the police = well-founded knowledge of how things typically go down = a lackadaisical response to an AA complaint.

So why bother?

Who cares if she gets a lackadaisical response. Is that so traumatic you wouldn't say what you heard? Nah. And, btw, by identifying this witness as Trayvon's supposed "girlfriend," Crump is the one who put her out there for all the world to go looking for. Not LE and not O'Mara. Crump could have quietly gotten her to come forward and protected her identity. But he didn't. He had to grandstand her to spin his, imo, extremely bogus case. And he did not hesitate. You want to go after someone for exploiting a minor, Crump's your man, imo. And you can add the mother of the 13 yo witness and BG herself to that list, also imo.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe she assumed he was punched. Maybe he was grabbed. She obviously knew something was happening.

As for probing, if you check witness reports, some of them too, were probed. People may report but LE may need more details. Sounds reasonable to me.

My point is, she didn't witness who punched, grabbed, or pushed who.
All she knows is that something happened because head set apparently fell off. In my opinion, her story doesn't contradict Zimmerman's. She heard words exchanged, with Trayvon actually asking the first question. Something then happened, but she can not say who pushed, punched, or grabbed who, since she didn't see it.

 

[claudicici]

She heard the grass !!!! That's the first time I've heard that and it's extremely significant to me.I believe every word this girl is saying 100%,she sounds so sincere and like others pointed out if she wanted to lie she could really add to the story but she's not...I feel so bad for her,when she quietly admits to the guilt she feels it breaks my heart and I can totally relate.It makes me so upset that some posts suggest somehow due to the environment one is in a shooting death of someone you love might not be as much of a deal as it is,as it always is,no matter where you live

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Who cares if she gets a lackadaisical response. Is that so traumatic you wouldn't say what you heard? Nah. And, btw, by identifying this witness as Trayvon's supposed "girlfriend," Crump is the one who put her out there for all the world to go looking for. Not LE and not O'Mara. Crump could have quietly gotten her to come forward and protected her identity. But he didn't. He had to grandstand her to spin his, imo, extremely bogus case. And he did not hesitate. You want to go after someone for exploiting a minor, Crump's your man, imo. And you can add the mother of the 13 yo witness and BG herself to that list, also imo.

BBM.

It's not about the trauma. IMO of course.

It's about the frequent history of crimes against AAs being treated as much less important than crimes against whites. Why should I bother contacting LE about a potential crime if they're just going to blow it off?

Also I don't recall having gone after anyone for exploiting a minor so I don't know where that is coming from in your response.

ETA: BBM Oopsie, I didn't literally mean myself personally; it was the theoretical me putting myself in the GF's shoes.

 

[jjenny]

She heard the grass !!!! That's the first time I've heard that and it's extremely significant to me.I believe every word this girl is saying 100%,she sounds so sincere and like others pointed out if she wanted to lie she could really add to the story but she's not...I feel so bad for her,when she quietly admits to the guilt she feels it breaks my heart and I can totally relate.It makes me so upset that some posts suggest somehow due to the environment one is in a shooting death of someone you love might not be as much of a deal as it is,as it always is,no matter where you live

How does one hear the grass? What does the grass do that it can be heard over the phone?

 

[Karmady]

BBM.

It's not about the trauma. IMO of course.

It's about the frequent history of crimes against AAs being treated as much less important than crimes against whites. Why should I bother contacting LE about a potential crime if they're just going to blow it off?

Also I don't recall having gone after anyone for exploiting a minor so I don't know where that is coming from in your response.

ETA: BBM Oopsie, I didn't literally mean myself personally; it was the theoretical me putting myself in the GF's shoes.

As far as why bother, I can kind of see it in some cases, but not here. This is not a killing of one known serial felon by another. And these kids are from good homes. And good people do the right thing even when they may expect a so-what response, or worse, especially when another good person's life has been lost, if not in every case.

And my bad on the "you" - I wasn't referring to YOU. It was just a phrase. As in, "you wanna talk about chutzpah...I'LL show you chutzpah." Sorry.

 

[suzihawk]

My speculation is that she felt guilty only AFTER she was told the same story Crump sold to the media about how Trayvon had been hunted down like an animal by a "white" racist vigilante. Notice how she said that Trayvon had concluded that George was "white" when he saw George in his car...really? He concluded that a "latino-looking" guy was white even though the guy was in his car, in the dark, at a distance. Not buyin' that at all even assuming that you could conclude, visually, that George is white under ANY circumstances. Even the officers on the scene described him as latino.

I think that the girl initially didn't come forward because she and whomever she told about the phone conversation, if anyone, assumed that the circumstances of his death were in some way related to Trayvon's own conduct. I think Crump convinced her that she was way wrong about that and THAT is why she felt guilty, if she did. jmo

Why is that so hard to believe? Zimmerman concluded that Trayvon was suspicious, was up to no good, looked like he was on drugs or something,, etc. - even though GZ was in his car, in the dark - looking from that very same distance away.

 

[Alecto]

The New York Times has a much more complete audio statement then the Orlando Sentinel. I'm not sure how to link directly to it but it is on the left hand side of this page:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/us/new-details-are-released-in-shooting-of-teenager.html?_r=3

 

[HiHater]

The gf describes GZ's voice as angry, and others described hearing a dominant/aggressive voice...

I think that's one point for corroboration...

 

[HiHater]

At around 18 minutes, the discussion turns to text messages, and she says Trayvon NEVER texted her about the run-in with GZ. (my words) She also clarifies that she texted him when the phone hung up.

 

[m00c0w]

She says she called him 3 or 2 times, and she texted him. It's not plain as day, obviously, if you didn't hear what I heard and vice versa.

ETA: And I just realized we are on the wrong thread. Sorry, mods!

Perhaps you aren't familiar with her accent/style of speaking? I'm not sure how you're hearing anything other than "He didn't text me" or "He ain't text me". Can you state, specifically, what you do hear? I don't think you've actually given a direct quote.

ETA: If you listen to the unabridged audio, she says she sent him a text after she tried calling him. It's really that simple.

 

[HiHater]

Perhaps you aren't familiar with her accent/style of speaking? I'm not sure how you're hearing anything other than "He didn't text me" or "He ain't text me". Can you state, specifically, what you do hear? I don't think you've actually given a direct quote.

I'll copy and paste it for you again. When I put the quotations marks, that's a direct quote.


This is false.

She says she called him back "3 or 2 times" the investigators says and you didn't get a response, she cuts the investigator off by saying "No, and text him."

I'll say JMO even though that's very close to what was said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/us...ager.html?_r=4 (on left side of page, begins about 12:08)

Please, please if you don't know what she said don't pass it off as fact, because then people run with it...
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[claudicici]

How does one hear the grass? What does the grass do that it can be heard over the phone?

It's a distinct sound. Haven't you ever let yourself fall down in grass? I have,and I know exactly what it sounds like and what it would sound like over the phone

 

[Elley Mae]

The head set was already off. By her own admission, she could only hear a "little bit" whatever that means.

That's a tough one, if you ask six people you would probable get 7 answers to that one.

 

[Elley Mae]

Well what made her change her mind then?

I have wondered if Tracy called her from Trayvon's phone.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm still reading the doc dump but on page 16-17 the SPD is trying to unlock the phone. First they had been hampered by the phone not working (possibly from getting wet on 2/26) and then later they can't get past the swipe code without the PIN number for the account. They contact TM's father on March 5th asking for the PIN and TM's father tells the SPD that they he is going to talk to his lawyer before giving the investigators that information. I've seen no further mention of the phone after that date. It looks to me like SPD took the proper steps to find out if there had been a useful phone/ear witness and they were blocked by Crump.

Yup, looks like SPD did try to investigate further.

 

[saguaro]

This is why her social media accounts will come into play and hopefully sooner rather than later.

If it's true that she never made reference to any of this and just kept carrying on all night (tweeting) and into the morning without giving it another thought, then there is going to be a problem.

IMO!