The holes in Tracey's theory

[Barbara]

No, Helgoth was never questioned---he wasn't even on the radar screen....Lou Smit tried to get the BPD to listen to and investigate the homicide theory, but they weren't interested.

Over and over again, we hear about the authorities "not being interested". I think the term is quite unfair as well as extremely biased.

We complain when the authorities misuse tax dollars for unfounded activities. While the BPD has made many errors in this case (all within the first day and inside the Ramsey house I might add), the RST has taken it upon themselves to use inappropriate terminology and remarks to add credence to Ramsey innocence. Lou Smit is the biggest offender of inappropriate misuse of LE resources and unprofessional conduct in this case. In an effort to clear the Ramseys, he has tried to connect dots that aren't in the picture and has made a fool of himself in the process.

Any and every crime committed in Colorado does NOT connect to the Ramsey case, despite the fancy footwork the RST has tried to distract us with.

There is no EVIDENCE linking Helgoth, Kenady or anyone else to this crime.

The DNA doesn't match (an RST favorite lead to the "killer", although I don't think so), the bootprint doesn't match, and even the stun gun that wasn't used on JBR doesn't match the RST theory.

The police "aren't interested" in every case as a connection to the Ramsey case because they are NOT connected.

It is propaganda, in it's easiest and most recognizable form for those of us not easily influenced by the likes of Smit, Jameson and the others who have managed to distract and manipulate others with blatant misinformation and rationales that don't fly in the face of common sense.

Look at the FACTS, not the far fetched theories about Ninjas, TWO perps, Helgoth, Santa, White, drug abuser/sexual predator/pedophile "dreamer"/ex-employee/foreign faction group/jealous pageant participant/homeless man/college kid/suspectX

It boggles my mind that there are those who would grasp at these straws that aren't even straws but "pieces" of straws that they try to fit into the theories they would like to ponder.

I'll say it again: Propaganda in its simplest and most recognizable form!

While the FACTS can't convict the Ramseys in a courtroom, they don't lead anywhere else at this point and with what is known to us, the public.

The Ramseys know what happened that night and have gotten away with, at the very least, obstruction of justice, accessory to murder and at the very most, murder!

 

[Maikai]

Over and over again, we hear about the authorities "not being interested". I think the term is quite unfair as well as extremely biased.

BTW: Your private message thing is full--thanks for the Nussbaum article.

The biased ones were the BPD. Kennady put in l0 to l5 calls---and when he finally got an interview, it wasn't followed up on, or they could have done their stealth DNA maneuver like they did with the recent perp in multiple rapes---at least brought Mr. X in for questioning...and not closed the books on the "suicide." There's enough odd things with Helgoth and Mr. X that can be tied to the crime. If it were these two they were so far removed from the inner circle that you can't necessarily blame anyone for not being on their trail early---but after repeat phone calls, they were worth a look, with Helgoth's suicide investigated as a possible homicide. 9 months later it could have been Mr. X in that home---and it might have ended differently if the mother had not woken up--who knows what he's been up to since.

 

[Jayelles]

A homicide is made to look like a suicide---good police work will uncover this. No one cared to really investigate Helgoth's suicide as a murder possibility---he was cremated. I wonder about his surviving family members--if they even had an inkling if he could have been involved---if they did, would they want this known? Or buried with Helgoth? The boots and stun gun alone should have raised flags to look further. It's much easier to call it a suicide, and close the case. I think the potential lawsuit the Ramseys could have had against the City of Boulder alone, had some bearing on the investigation. If no one is ever charged the Ramseys could forever be suspects, with no grounds for a lawsuit.

No, you're missing my point. What made them think it WAS suicide. There was no note. The gun wasn't in his hand. The trajectory of the bullet was awkward and a pillow was used to muffle the shot. Does that say suicide or murder? I'm not asking why they didn't investigate his 'suicide' as murder. I'm asking what made then even think it was a suicide?

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles, I got tickled when you said that Jameson is threatening to post Mr. X's real name. Only in her mind does she have any power in this case....LOL She probably doesn't even know his real name!
All IMO

It may surprise you to know that loads of people know his real name ;-) It's one of these "open secrets". I say name him. If he is guilty, there will be nothing to fear from lawwsuits because he faces the death penalty. If he's innocent, then he has a terrific incentive for coming forward now - he can clear himself on DNA and sue the pants of Tracey & co.

 

[Jayelles]

A homicide is made to look like a suicide---good police work will uncover this. No one cared to really investigate Helgoth's suicide as a murder possibility---he was cremated. I wonder about his surviving family members--if they even had an inkling if he could have been involved---if they did, would they want this known? Or buried with Helgoth? The boots and stun gun alone should have raised flags to look further. It's much easier to call it a suicide, and close the case. I think the potential lawsuit the Ramseys could have had against the City of Boulder alone, had some bearing on the investigation. If no one is ever charged the Ramseys could forever be suspects, with no grounds for a lawsuit.

If I was going to kill someone and make it look like suicide, I'd dash well make a better job of it than this. I'd leave a suicide note for one thing - containing a confession to JonBenet's murder (alone). And I'd shoot Helgoth through the head so as to ensure he died (in the documentary they discuss how they know he was alive for a bit after the shot). Finally, I'd place the gun in his hand, not feet away.

 

[Jayelles]

I've fuzzed out Helgoth's face but I think it's helpful to post this image in order to get things in perspective.

I've circled various items and drawn on it in accordance to the Investigator pointing things out on the documentary.

A is the stungun which isn't the same kind as they think was used on JonBenet

B is the gun which killed him

C is the entry point of the gun

D marks the end of the gun trajectory.

 

[Jayelles]

Helgoth has blood in his hand and bloodied handprints on his forehead. In the documentary, the investigators discussed this in the background and they said it proved he didn't die immediately.

 

[Jayelles]

We already noticed that Tracey was wrong in saying that it was previously unknown that TWO footprints were found in the basement. jameson has also pointed that out, but she says the rest of it is pretty accurate.

I would say it was well spun and definitely not unbiased.

There were several points of misinformation in the documentary - speculation presented as fact. One platant piece of information though, was this:-

And the ransom note also suggests that more than one person was involved. It says, “We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction”. It warns about the “two gentlemen watching over your daughter”. Throughout, it refers to the kidnappers in the plural.

When I heard this, I thought "huh?" because I remembered that one of the NE book claims about Patsy's handwriting was the distance between her "I" and the following verb. So I checked it out. The writer of the ransom note did use singular in places. Plural is red, singular in blue:-

1. "Mr. Ramsey.
2. Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent
3. a small foreign faction. We xx respect your bussiness
4. but not the country that it serves. At this time we have
5. your daughter in our posession. She is safe and unharmed and
6. if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to
7. the letter.

8. You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be
9. in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure
10. that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get
11. home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you
12. between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The
13. delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we
14. monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to
15. arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier
16. delivery pickup of your daughter.

17. Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate
18. execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains
19. for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter
20. do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.
21. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I.,
22. etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you
23. talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she
24. dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies.
25. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she
26. dies. You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar
27. with Law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99%
28. chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart us. Follow
29. our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back.
30. You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the
31. authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only
32. fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't
33. underestimate us John. Use that good southern common sense of yours.
34. It is up to you now John!
35. Victory!
36. S.B.T.C"

 

[Cherokee]

The writer of the ransom note did use singular in places. Plural is red, singular in blue:-

Thanks, Jay, for pointing out yet another crack in Tracey's crock.

Surely, Tracey would not intentionally try to deceive the general public. (Sarcasm dripping from my tongue.) It must be something else. Let's see ...

... maybe Tracey hasn't read the ransom note. After all, it's only the biggest clue to the death of JonBenet. He's obviously been too busy slandering dead people to actually read case evidence.

OR

... maybe Tracey can't tell singular pronouns from plural pronouns. Perhaps, his education is lacking. Besides, he's in it for the money and self-promotion, not accuracy.


IMO

 

[Jayelles]

Tracey can sell what he likes to the British public because his documentaries are all we've had about the case. The vast majority of Brits only know what Tracey has told them and judging by how few Brits are on the forums, it doesn't seem as if they are too eager to research further. I got rather excited a couple of weeks ago when there appeared to be three new British posters at CN2000 but they posted a couple of times and disappeared. There is only myself and about four other Brits that I'm aware of.

BTW, I say "appeared to be" because I don't think one of them was genuine. He/she's use of English was decidedly odd - like a caricature.

 

[Maikai]

I wonder if they checked for fingerprints on the bullets that may have still been in the gun.....and on the handle itself? Helgoth didn't have gloves on.

There doesn't appear to be much blood. It is strange that the gun is found on the right side, and that would make it appear to be difficult to achieve that angle using the right hand.....but what if he used his left hand? Could the gun have ended up where it did?

 

[Shylock]

There doesn't appear to be much blood. It is strange that the gun is found on the right side, and that would make it appear to be difficult to achieve that angle using the right hand.....but what if he used his left hand? Could the gun have ended up where it did?

Maikai, you watch too much TV...LOL
People don't die the very second they are shot. When I was a teenager I knew a kid who killed himself with his father's gun. He shot himself once in the chest, and twice in the head before he lost consciousness and died.

 

[Shylock]

A is the stungun which isn't the same kind as they think was used on JonBenet

Where does the idea come from that that's even a stun gun?? Is there a better close up of it?

 

[Jayelles]

I wonder if they checked for fingerprints on the bullets that may have still been in the gun.....and on the handle itself? Helgoth didn't have gloves on.

There doesn't appear to be much blood. It is strange that the gun is found on the right side, and that would make it appear to be difficult to achieve that angle using the right hand.....but what if he used his left hand? Could the gun have ended up where it did?

No it is certainly a mystery - which is why I am wondering how they even contemplated that it was a suicide.

A clue COULD be in a statement made by one of the detectives in the documentary when he said that Helgoth had obviously not died immediately because there are bloody handprints on his face (you can see these on the image Tracey showed because he made no attempt to blur the face as I have. That is actually quite unusual on British TV and they usually do blur out the faces of dead people on TV).

So IF he didn't die immediately, was he standing when he shot himself? Did he move about a bit before falling? That's all I can think of right now. I'm not an expert in these kinds of things. I have a very weak stomach and don't like to think about them at all!

 

[Jayelles]

Where does the idea come from that that's even a stun gun?? Is there a better close up of it?

Yes there is. I wouldn't have known what it was, but I suppose they see them a lot.