The HW or WH belt evidence at gilgonews

[SpookyOwl]

@hawkshaw Back up to this post, originally posted 12/13/2020 7:42 AM ET. Read the thread from there.

seems plausible that a plain clothed officer would wear a badge on their belt especially if they are carrying a gun on their hip holster. Just to show that they are LE

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

seems plausible that a plain clothed officer would wear a badge on their belt especially if they are carrying a gun on their hip holster. Just to show that they are LE

But then we are back to the initials on the back of the belt.....

 

[SpookyOwl]

But then we are back to the initials on the back of the belt.....

Right.. Also, from the docs I watched on them talking about the belts... She said it didn't belong to any of those specific victims but may have been HANDLED by the killer. Doesn't mean the killer OWNED it. It could be another victim's belt in which we do not know about.
Did the Long Island serial killer shop for look-alike victims online?

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Right.. Also, from the docs I watched on them talking about the belts... She said it didn't belong to any of those specific victims but may have been HANDLED by the killer. Doesn't mean the killer OWNED it. It could be another victim's belt in which we do not know about.
Did the Long Island serial killer shop for look-alike victims online?

Good point!

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

But then we are back to the initials on the back of the belt.....

The blurred out indentations I spoke of earlier could of been from a pager.

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Right.. Also, from the docs I watched on them talking about the belts... She said it didn't belong to any of those specific victims but may have been HANDLED by the killer. Doesn't mean the killer OWNED it. It could be another victim's belt in which we do not know about.
Did the Long Island serial killer shop for look-alike victims online?

Yes but Hart also said they believed the belt possibly belonged to a large male.

 

[SpookyOwl]

Yes but Hart also said they believed the belt possibly belonged to a large male.

This is true. She is being careful lately how she is addressing the belt though.. or it seems to me that she is. I am also not dismissing the idea of the belt being the killers I was just merely pointing out her wording and how careful she was with what she was saying. If that makes any sense. Also, besides a badge/pager perhaps a radio walkie talkie??

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Yes exactly, that's what I think the marks on the belt are from, something of that nature. I totally understand what you meant.

 

[3Patriots]

But then we are back to the initials on the back of the belt.....

Perhaps someone with the initials HM provided a gift to someone who was working plainclothes back then, like perhaps as the commanding officer of a plainclothes intelligence unit.

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Perhaps someone with the initials HM provided a gift to someone who was working plainclothes back then, like perhaps as the commanding officer of a plainclothes intelligence unit.

Okay I see now. Thanks.

 

[3Patriots]

Okay I see now. Thanks.

Like perhaps an individual initialed HM would have been dating a person who would have moved out of uniform and a duty belt, to plainclothes with need for a 1.5" garrison belt. Maybe HM purchases the garrison belt as a congratulatory gift and embossed the initials.

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Like perhaps an individual initialed HM would have been dating a person who would have moved out of uniform and a duty belt, to plainclothes with need for a 1.5" garrison belt. Maybe HM purchases the garrison belt as a congratulatory gift and embossed the initials.

I getcha, I was just reading some history. Makes sense.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Perhaps someone with the initials HM provided a gift to someone who was working plainclothes back then, like perhaps as the commanding officer of a plainclothes intelligence unit.

Only vaguely familiar with garrison belts, so don't have the first clue if this is one , but do park rangers also wear these kinds of belts ?

 

[3Patriots]

Only vaguely familiar with garrison belts, so don't have the first clue if this is one , but do park rangers also wear these kinds of belts ?

Certainly possible.

 

[bvmacgregor]

@eagleyeseymour

Looks like SCPD changed it sometime after I posted here. I thought that using Barnes was intentional (or possibly irrelevant) but definitely had not considered it was a sloppy mistake.

I didn’t do anything special with html or anything. I simply opened each image in a new tab where the info I copy/pasted above was in the url and then I downloaded the images to my computer, keeping their given filenames.
The full filenames are:
"belt pic Barnes 10-658464 ME10-4485 brown1.jpg"
"belt pic Barnes 10-658464 ME10-4485 black2noglove.jpg"

I didn’t pay attention to the numbers originally but maybe ME10-....is the medical examiner’s case number? Don’t know what the other number is.

Anyway, I can't be the only person who saw it.

You are correct. It would be a case number from 2010.

 

[bvmacgregor]

Regarding the file names:
Having worked for many years in MEs offices I can say with some certainty that it's a case number. They start with the year and then go numerically. This is a case number from 2010.
If it was photographed at the MEs office I would guess it was either closely associated with a body or brought in to compare with injuries. Most scene evidence doesn't get brought to the medical examiner.
Sometimes LE take their own pictures but that varies by department. Its possible someone named Burke took the photos or they were named when they were sent to someone named Burke. In my experience though, the file names have a small description of the photo if anything. Not sure if this is helpful.

 

[eagleyeseymour]

Regarding the file names:
Having worked for many years in MEs offices I can say with some certainty that it's a case number. They start with the year and then go numerically. This is a case number from 2010.
If it was photographed at the MEs office I would guess it was either closely associated with a body or brought in to compare with injuries. Most scene evidence doesn't get brought to the medical examiner.
Sometimes LE take their own pictures but that varies by department. Its possible someone named Burke took the photos or they were named when they were sent to someone named Burke. In my experience though, the file names have a small description of the photo if anything. Not sure if this is helpful.

Somewhat helpful.

I believe you meant "Barnes" as it related to Maureen.

"Burke" as it relates to Jimmy was never part of the file name as far as I know.

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Like perhaps an individual initialed HM would have been dating a person who would have moved out of uniform and a duty belt, to plainclothes with need for a 1.5" garrison belt. Maybe HM purchases the garrison belt as a congratulatory gift and embossed the initials.

Or....it could be a monogrammed belt from an older family member of LH.

 

[Ironbutterfly8]

Somewhat helpful.

I believe you meant "Barnes" as it related to Maureen.

"Burke" as it relates to Jimmy was never part of the file name as far as I know.

Yes I was thinking the same.

 

[TaconicRider]

I showed the belt sample the police published to a Graphic Design/Advertising business owner who has been in the business 30+ years and owns approximately 10,000 fonts. I asked if she had ever seen a font that resembled it and she immediately said no.

Today I showed her Theforeigner's find and she as we think, incredibly similar if not the same. Her opinion was that it was hand drawn by the artist and probably not from a font, so one of a kind. Could be incorrect, sure. It's certainly doesn't seem to be a conventional font.

I googled image searched also...gothic, viking, wotan, heavy metal font and logo's and didn't see anything similar.
There is/was also a comic book named Wotan that I saw.

I also find it's interesting that both samples are white or light letters on dark background. With regard to the police sample I was wondering if they used some type of lighting to make the lettering easier to see for photographic purpose and that's why it looks blueish white. Amazing find Theforeigner!

That font reminded me of late 70’s and 80’s Rock band fonts. I went through many album covers and never found a match. Could be an obscure font, made up, or European band font. We always liked to copy the style of our favorite “of the moment “ bands on our high school books. Only a young person would identify their clothing. Or an athlete who went to a gym, and would leave clothes in a pile or locker. This belt may be a “younger siblings” old belt. I imagine its a small length. IMO