The Last Happy Hour, book by Charles Joseph Hackett

[Sillybilly]

... I think there are some reasonable explanations for all this confusion. Here's some very likely possibilities:

1) Mari entirely made up the contents of the call (false allegation/accusation). She did in fact receive a phone call from CPH, who later became her "prime suspect", and in order to direct media and police attention towards him, she concocted the story of the "rehab" call. I hope you don't think my suggestion here is crass - on the contrary, I think its completely understandable for someone under such enormous stress to do such a thing. I'll also point out that this was first suggested by Peter_Brendt here on this board, so I'm not even taking credit for the suggestion. This theory just makes the most sense to me.

<snip>

I sincerely hope you or Peter never had or have a child go missing or die under tragic circumstances. As a decent human being, it is truly a pain and a horror you could not wish on your worst enemy.

I do not normally like to discuss my own personal experiences, but strongly feel the need to jump on this particular suggestion. I don't know if my reactions differ from those of other parents who have lost children, but at least I speak in this thread from the viewpoint of someone who has been "under such enormous stress" over the death of my only two children. And yes, there were times when i felt my mind would simply take a walk on the wild side. IMO however, no parent would so totally mis-remember or fabricate a story so blatantly untrue, simply to pin the blame on someone, anyone. The ultimate goal as a bereaved parent becomes the TRUTH in determining precisely what happened to your child. Your mind screams for the absolute truth. My mind became a steel trap for details, documented in a 28 page chronology which set out day-by-day, and at times minute-by-minute events, all of which were unable to be refuted by 4 of the most experienced lawyers in the field. You sure as hell don't make up stories to pin responsibility for the disappearance or death of your child on any person who is not involved or responsible.

IMO your "reasonable" explanation or "likely" possibility that a parent of a missing and ultimately deceased daughter would fabricate or mis-remember to the extent that you suggest is simply not a reasonable or likely scenario.

 

[Redbird]

I believe a source more reliable than Flukeyou stated Hackett saw her on the beach.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ch-for-bodies-off-l-i-in-serial-killer-probe/
CBS New York April 13, 2011 11:45 PM
Gilbert, a prostitute from Jersey City, was last seen in May by Long Island doctor Peter Hackett, who said he saw Gilbert running at night near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed.

&#8220;These people need closure and we need to find this girl if she is alive,&#8221; he said.

Most of your other arguments for CPH's lack of involvement can be debated but I don't feel the need to convince you.

 

[Chanler]

<snip>

I sincerely hope you or Peter never had or have a child go missing or die under tragic circumstances. As a decent human being, it is truly a pain and a horror you could not wish on your worst enemy.

I do not normally like to discuss my own personal experiences, but strongly feel the need to jump on this particular suggestion. I don't know if my reactions differ from those of other parents who have lost children, but at least I speak in this thread from the viewpoint of someone who has been "under such enormous stress" over the death of my only two children. And yes, there were times when i felt my mind would simply take a walk on the wild side. IMO however, no parent would so totally mis-remember or fabricate a story so blatantly untrue, simply to pin the blame on someone, anyone. The ultimate goal as a bereaved parent becomes the TRUTH in determining precisely what happened to your child. Your mind screams for the absolute truth. My mind became a steel trap for details, documented in a 28 page chronology which set out day-by-day, and at times minute-by-minute events, all of which were unable to be refuted by 4 of the most experienced lawyers in the field. You sure as hell don't make up stories to pin responsibility for the disappearance or death of your child on any person who is not involved or responsible.

IMO your "reasonable" explanation or "likely" possibility that a parent of a missing and ultimately deceased daughter would fabricate or mis-remember to the extent that you suggest is simply not a reasonable or likely scenario.

Hi, SillyBilly, I was honestly moved by your account and I completely believe every word about your personal experience.

That said, studies do show that people experiencing stress often remember details imprecisely or incorrectly, especially as time passes. In some cases, the victim's family members are quite understandably taking prescription medicine to ease their grief.

For those reasons, I initially had some doubts about Mari Gilbert's account of the phone call. As I thought about it more, I thought that the specificity of its details made it seem likely that it was accurate. From what we now know about CPH, I think that it's entirely plausible that he would concoct such a story. At this point, I don't believe that his confabulations indicate that he killed Shannan, much less any of the serial killers' victims. To me, he seems like one of the sick people who seem to emerge almost inevitably around these cases.

I hope that you and your family are doing well.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Things I am not pulling out of thin air:

1). Someone called Mari Gilbert claiming to be CPH, saying that he was treating Shannan in his halfway house.

2). CPH DID lie about this phone call.

3). Witnesses tell us that Shannan ran down Anchor Way that evening, the very street CPH lives on.

4). Shannan's body WAS found in a thicket behind the good doctor's house.

I don't see those things as "smoke and mirrors"...I see them as facts I can't simply ignore.

I'm not focusing on CPH to the exclusion of anyone else, but I'm damned sure not going to bump him from the top of my list simply because someone here thinks I'm picking on him either. I've been sleuthing the guy, I will continue to sleuth the guy, and I will continue to post anything of interest I find.

If others think I'm off base, they can skip my posts...if they think I've crossed a line wrt forum rules, they can report any post they find objectionable. Otherwise...this train rolls on.

I think people often confuse what "facts" and what allegations and opinions are.


1. Not a fact, it is what Miss Gilbert ALLEGES, there is no way to prove this as fact since the call was not recorded, it is an ALLEGATION, not a FACT. It IS a fact that he DID call her (he produced phone records and admitted this himself making it a fact that he did call her), but it is NOT a fact that what you post above is what he said to her, we do not KNOW what was said in that phone call, only what has been ALLEGED to have been said. That is not factual.


2. Allegation, not a fact. Since we cant establish as FACT what was said in the phone call we cant say for a FACT that he lied about what he said in the phone call. We can only ALLEGE that he lied but that doesnt make it a FACT.

3. Witness account, possibly true but witnesses are not always right and their recollections of events can hardly ever be counted on. Its a witness account but not a fact.


4. This is a fact since we KNOW that LEO found her body there and such cannot be disputed, it happened, it is not an opinion, an allegation etc, that is where she was found, that is a FACT, there rest are not facts.

Smoke and mirrors indeed.

When it comes to accusing people of murder I am only concerned with facts, innocent people could have their lives ruined by others who throw rumors, speculation and innuendo around casually and call them facts, if I have learned one thing in all my years living it is that I dont do to others what I wouldnt want them to do with me.

Yes, you are all free to do as you please when it comes to the Doctor and your sleuthing of him but if you were in his shoes I dont think you would appreciate others doing it to you. Life has taught me the hard way what goes around comes around, I chose to learn my lesson after making many a mistake.

The problem is you are not in his shoes and until you are...

That is all.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I'm not going to skip your posts, MK, I like them. But I think these "facts" are an oversimplification of the collection of facts and known sequences of events. They require more analysis for a proper interpretation.

Let's talk about #1 for a second. There are other perfectly reasonable explanations for the mystery call. Let me start with what is NOT reasonable:

- May 1st - CPH murders Shannan (or he was part of some group that did)
- Sometime between May 1-6 - He coincidentally meets Diaz and Pak while they were walking through the neighborhood. Hackett gives them his biz card, says to call if he can be of assistance.
- May 4th - Shannan is reported missing in NJ (the date of the missing persons flyer).
- May 6th - CPH calls Mari and says that Shannan was "with him that night at his rehab clinic, she left with her driver in the morning".

OK, if I'm Mari, I go absolutely crazy if I get a call on the 6th from CPH after I've already reported her missing. I say "Hey, you need to talk to Detective so and so from the NJ PD, etc., etc. I don't let this person off the phone in 4 minutes without SERIOUS follow-up action items.

What if CPH called Mari before he met Diaz/Pak? This is even more unreasonable because:
- According to Sherre, the mystery of Shannan’s disappearance began on May 3, 2010. Sherre Gilbert got a phone call from her sister’s boyfriend reporting that Shannan hadn’t come home in two days. So if the "rehab call" comes in let's say May 1st or 2nd, why is this not the beginning of the mystery of Shannan's disappearance? Why doesn't Sherre tell Diaz about that call?
- Why didn't Diaz/Pak confront him when they met him about the call?
- Why didn't Mari report this mystery call to NJ/Suffolk County police?

I think there are some reasonable explanations for all this confusion. Here's some very likely possibilities:

1) Mari entirely made up the contents of the call (false allegation/accusation). She did in fact receive a phone call from CPH, who later became her "prime suspect", and in order to direct media and police attention towards him, she concocted the story of the "rehab" call. I hope you don't think my suggestion here is crass - on the contrary, I think its completely understandable for someone under such enormous stress to do such a thing. I'll also point out that this was first suggested by Peter_Brendt here on this board, so I'm not even taking credit for the suggestion. This theory just makes the most sense to me.

2) Mari misremembered the contents of the call. She did in fact speak with CPH, and did meet him at his house on the 9th. She never really confronted him on May 9th about the call (she said Sherre was the one who "confronted" him about the call on the 9th, whereas she stayed back in the crowd - this "confrontation" about the rehab call was never corroborated by anyone else in attendance that day). This sounds squirlley to me because Mari received the call from CPH, so why didn't SHE directly confront him about the contents of the call? Months later (the Suffolk County missing persons flyer is dated June 18, 2010 and police deny she reported any such call from CPH, which I happen to believe), when the media firestorm had started because of the discoveries along Ocean Parkway, she somehow mis-remembers the contents of CPH's calls from May. Its very possible that CPH said something that stuck in her head, like "Maybe she went to a rehab clinic" or something along those lines. Somehow, the stress combined with the time lapse caused Mari to completely mis-recall the contents of the calls from CPH.

3) Much less likely of a possibility (but one worth mentioning) is that Pak/Diaz somehow arranged for a friend to make that call in order to divert any police investigation away from themselves (motive) because of any illicit activities that they may be involved in on a day to day basis. I doubt this, since that would be a fairly elaborate scheme and not well played (i.e., she "left with her driver"). They had Hackett's name from his biz card, so they had "opportunity", but why would they then ask him to call Mari if they already set him up as a patsy (again, not well played)? This theory is nonsense and just creates more confusion.


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Mountain_Kat, as far as your #2, "CPH DID lie about the phone call"...

- News reports clearly indicate that that CPH denied making that call. I believe they ALL trace back to the interview he gave on his porch where he was asked if he ever called Mari and told her that she was at his halfway house, to which he responded "No, I never said that, I never met Shannan, I never saw her that night, etc." I am not aware of any other quote, interview or other direct (non-hearsay) source attributable to a specific denial by CPH that he "never called". So, is he a "liar" because he didn't say in that porch interview "Hey, I did call her family the week after her disappearance, but I never said THAT!". I don't think so. Later in his letters to 48 Hours, he doesn't deny calling Mari in either letter. He is completely forthcoming, and in the second letter he provides details of his call logs. I don't call this being a liar. He was also "Very cooperative" with police, so if he lied to them about anything I doubt they would say that he was "very cooperative" or publiclly rule him out as a suspect. I think that the multiple news reports that he "lied" or otherwise "denied" are basically just crappy reporting. I mean, which one cites him verbatim? None.

As far as your #3, "Witnesses tell us that Shannan ran down Anchor Way that evening, the very street CPH lives on."

- Yeah, but so what? There's like 500 people that live in that area of Oak Beach. We can't just say "He lives close to where she was last seen, and this is therefore evidence of guilt."

As far as your #4, "Shannan's body WAS found in a thicket behind the good doctor's house."

- This is the most exonerating evidence yet. Police believe she died of accidental causes after she went into the woods and got lost. By all accounts, she was having some type of episode. Getting lost in the woods in a matter of seconds in the dark IS EASY. Getting hypothermia from being cold and wet IS EASY, and QUICK. Taking your clothes off when you get hypothermia IS COMMON. And how stupid would CPH be if he dragged her back there? He would leave all kinds of physical evidence. I think its clear that SG died of natural causes while thousands of man-hours have been spent narrowly focused on identifying her "killer" where none existed. While we need to be respectful to Shannan and her family, I think we owe it to ourselves and to the Melissal, Amber, Maureen, Megan, Jessica, Jane Doe#6 and any other victim of this serial killer to see the facts clearly and interpret them correctly. For me, CPH is not the killer we're looking for. I'll continue to discuss him, but I'll maintain my position unless any "actual evidence" or "relevant fact" is brought forward.



One quick thing unrelated to my response to MK...
TruthSpider mentions the statement: "I saw her running looking distressed so I gave her a sedative"

- This is hearsay, not fact. Flukeyou is claiming this over at LISK. You judge the veracity for yourself.

Well played, Sir.

 

[PAXIMUS]

This whole Hacket deal is a perfect example of what Law Enforcement commonly does, come up with a theory FIRST and THEN find evidence that fits the theory and when that does not work you try and MAKE the evidence fit your theory and in the process disregarding all evidence that doesnt fit your pet theory.

Instead of doing it the RIGHT WAY which is:

Letting ALL of the evidence (facts), in total, lead you to a theory.


This is why good defense attorneys are able to pick cases apart later in court. Its the worst way to perform an investigation and it is what often leads to innocent people being accused, and sometimes imprisoned, of/for crimes they did not commit.

 

[Chanler]

I'm not going to skip your posts, MK, I like them. But I think these "facts" are an oversimplification of the collection of facts and known sequences of events. They require more analysis for a proper interpretation.

Let's talk about #1 for a second. There are other perfectly reasonable explanations for the mystery call. Let me start with what is NOT reasonable:

- May 1st - CPH murders Shannan (or he was part of some group that did)
- Sometime between May 1-6 - He coincidentally meets Diaz and Pak while they were walking through the neighborhood. Hackett gives them his biz card, says to call if he can be of assistance.
- May 4th - Shannan is reported missing in NJ (the date of the missing persons flyer).
- May 6th - CPH calls Mari and says that Shannan was "with him that night at his rehab clinic, she left with her driver in the morning".

OK, if I'm Mari, I go absolutely crazy if I get a call on the 6th from CPH after I've already reported her missing. I say "Hey, you need to talk to Detective so and so from the NJ PD, etc., etc. I don't let this person off the phone in 4 minutes without SERIOUS follow-up action items.

What if CPH called Mari before he met Diaz/Pak? This is even more unreasonable because:
- According to Sherre, the mystery of Shannan’s disappearance began on May 3, 2010. Sherre Gilbert got a phone call from her sister’s boyfriend reporting that Shannan hadn’t come home in two days. So if the "rehab call" comes in let's say May 1st or 2nd, why is this not the beginning of the mystery of Shannan's disappearance? Why doesn't Sherre tell Diaz about that call?
- Why didn't Diaz/Pak confront him when they met him about the call?
- Why didn't Mari report this mystery call to NJ/Suffolk County police?

I think there are some reasonable explanations for all this confusion. Here's some very likely possibilities:

1) Mari entirely made up the contents of the call (false allegation/accusation). She did in fact receive a phone call from CPH, who later became her "prime suspect", and in order to direct media and police attention towards him, she concocted the story of the "rehab" call. I hope you don't think my suggestion here is crass - on the contrary, I think its completely understandable for someone under such enormous stress to do such a thing. I'll also point out that this was first suggested by Peter_Brendt here on this board, so I'm not even taking credit for the suggestion. This theory just makes the most sense to me.

2) Mari misremembered the contents of the call. She did in fact speak with CPH, and did meet him at his house on the 9th. She never really confronted him on May 9th about the call (she said Sherre was the one who "confronted" him about the call on the 9th, whereas she stayed back in the crowd - this "confrontation" about the rehab call was never corroborated by anyone else in attendance that day). This sounds squirlley to me because Mari received the call from CPH, so why didn't SHE directly confront him about the contents of the call? Months later (the Suffolk County missing persons flyer is dated June 18, 2010 and police deny she reported any such call from CPH, which I happen to believe), when the media firestorm had started because of the discoveries along Ocean Parkway, she somehow mis-remembers the contents of CPH's calls from May. Its very possible that CPH said something that stuck in her head, like "Maybe she went to a rehab clinic" or something along those lines. Somehow, the stress combined with the time lapse caused Mari to completely mis-recall the contents of the calls from CPH.

3) Much less likely of a possibility (but one worth mentioning) is that Pak/Diaz somehow arranged for a friend to make that call in order to divert any police investigation away from themselves (motive) because of any illicit activities that they may be involved in on a day to day basis. I doubt this, since that would be a fairly elaborate scheme and not well played (i.e., she "left with her driver"). They had Hackett's name from his biz card, so they had "opportunity", but why would they then ask him to call Mari if they already set him up as a patsy (again, not well played)? This theory is nonsense and just creates more confusion.


______________________________________________________________


Mountain_Kat, as far as your #2, "CPH DID lie about the phone call"...

- News reports clearly indicate that that CPH denied making that call. I believe they ALL trace back to the interview he gave on his porch where he was asked if he ever called Mari and told her that she was at his halfway house, to which he responded "No, I never said that, I never met Shannan, I never saw her that night, etc." I am not aware of any other quote, interview or other direct (non-hearsay) source attributable to a specific denial by CPH that he "never called". So, is he a "liar" because he didn't say in that porch interview "Hey, I did call her family the week after her disappearance, but I never said THAT!". I don't think so. Later in his letters to 48 Hours, he doesn't deny calling Mari in either letter. He is completely forthcoming, and in the second letter he provides details of his call logs. I don't call this being a liar. He was also "Very cooperative" with police, so if he lied to them about anything I doubt they would say that he was "very cooperative" or publiclly rule him out as a suspect. I think that the multiple news reports that he "lied" or otherwise "denied" are basically just crappy reporting. I mean, which one cites him verbatim? None.

As far as your #3, "Witnesses tell us that Shannan ran down Anchor Way that evening, the very street CPH lives on."

- Yeah, but so what? There's like 500 people that live in that area of Oak Beach. We can't just say "He lives close to where she was last seen, and this is therefore evidence of guilt."

As far as your #4, "Shannan's body WAS found in a thicket behind the good doctor's house."

- This is the most exonerating evidence yet. Police believe she died of accidental causes after she went into the woods and got lost. By all accounts, she was having some type of episode. Getting lost in the woods in a matter of seconds in the dark IS EASY. Getting hypothermia from being cold and wet IS EASY, and QUICK. Taking your clothes off when you get hypothermia IS COMMON. And how stupid would CPH be if he dragged her back there? He would leave all kinds of physical evidence. I think its clear that SG died of natural causes while thousands of man-hours have been spent narrowly focused on identifying her "killer" where none existed. While we need to be respectful to Shannan and her family, I think we owe it to ourselves and to the Melissal, Amber, Maureen, Megan, Jessica, Jane Doe#6 and any other victim of this serial killer to see the facts clearly and interpret them correctly. For me, CPH is not the killer we're looking for. I'll continue to discuss him, but I'll maintain my position unless any "actual evidence" or "relevant fact" is brought forward.



One quick thing unrelated to my response to MK...
TruthSpider mentions the statement: "I saw her running looking distressed so I gave her a sedative"

- This is hearsay, not fact. Flukeyou is claiming this over at LISK. You judge the veracity for yourself.

Well reasoned. Hypothermia occurs much more quickly than people think. And it's possible that given the length of time that Shannan's body was in the water that they were separated from the corpse or skeleton by natural processes or predators.

 

[the quiet girl]

sillybilly, my thoughts are with you and your loved ones to be strong enough to survive.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Well reasoned. Hypothermia occurs much more quickly than people think. And it's possible that given the length of time that Shannan's body was in the water that they were separated from the corpse or skeleton by natural processes or predators.

Not to mention she may have been on some drugs, was she a user, did they do coke or meth, stimulants that will get the heart racing then you start running around at the same time, can easily have a heart attack in addition to sweating in that cold weather etc.

I have no evidence that she was on drugs or used drugs other than the suggestion that they may have made a drug run/errand, that morning.

 

[the quiet girl]

Was the body even there this entire time since they did do advanced aerial searches of the area in April?
I am not ready to say she was not killed the facts we do have is she stated she was trying to be killed from her calls for help.

 

[Seaslug44]

Nicely written inspector.

 

[Reannan]

Paximus, I am really glad you are a part of WS's. If I am ever accused of anything, I want you to be my defense attorney! :blowkiss: Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... CPH - I am really curious, Paximus, as a defense attorney, how would you explain CPH's phone call to Mari? IMHO, Windor asked the question of the day - WHERE DID CPH get Mari's phone number? I think perhaps the answer to that question would help me stop thinking about CPH. I am NOT convicting him of any crime at this point, but his behavior and the circumstantial evidence do not allow me to sweep him into the corner as dust in this case. It is this sort of rational, honest debate that makes me thankful for all of our posters here at Websleuths!

 

[Seaslug44]

CPH clearly states in his letter where he got Mari's phone number. If that is a lie, you'd thin that MP or AD would have come forward to say so. MP's phone call to CPH is clearly on CPH's phone records minutes before the first documented call to Mari (May 6th).

 

[PAXIMUS]

CPH clearly states in his letter where he got Mari's phone number. If that is a lie, you'd thin that MP or AD would have come forward to say so. MP's phone call to CPH is clearly on CPH's phone records minutes before the first documented call to Mari (May 6th).

Agreed, there is no reason to disbelieve the Doctor wrt to this as he named names and until those named claim he is lying we have no reason to suspect he is.


He states clearly in his letter that he got the number from Diaz and Pak when they were in the neighborhood.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Paximus, I am really glad you are a part of WS's. If I am ever accused of anything, I want you to be my defense attorney! :blowkiss: Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... CPH - I am really curious, Paximus, as a defense attorney, how would you explain CPH's phone call to Mari? IMHO, Windor asked the question of the day - WHERE DID CPH get Mari's phone number? I think perhaps the answer to that question would help me stop thinking about CPH. I am NOT convicting him of any crime at this point, but his behavior and the circumstantial evidence do not allow me to sweep him into the corner as dust in this case. It is this sort of rational, honest debate that makes me thankful for all of our posters here at Websleuths!

Its cool, I have to do my thing, its my thing and it's what I do, so I do it. :crazy:


I appreciate that you all are just doing yours.


The thing with the Doctor is, you can pretty much look at anyone, look closely enough and you will see enough odd and strange things or unexplained behavior to suspect they are guilty of something when in fact they are guilty of nothing, things arent always as they seem to be.

For me personally, I just would need some hard evidence to start talking about someone being a murderer, its just a pretty serious thing IMO, thats all. To sit around and so casually talk about someone by name as being a serial killer based on a book his father wrote, some things people he worked with have to say about him (guess what, I bet some people each of you work with would have some interesting things to say about you too) and what someone alleges he said in a phone call, is just, IMO a little over the top. I do realize that is what forums like this are for and that is what it is, doesnt mean I have to accept it and I will continue to speak out against it, its what I do. Dont let me stop you.


The Doctor may be many things but I havent seen any real evidence to suggest the man is a serial killer, if there is any I would love to see it, I want this asshat who is hurting these girls caught as much as the rest of you.

 

[Redbird]

Mari Gilbert says she was the last person to talk to Shannan on the phone the night of 4/30/10. She says the next call she received was on 5/1/10 from CPH's home phone (landline), from a man stating he was CPH, and he said that he ran a halfway house and that Shannan was there but left with her driver that morning. She says this call is still on her phone with time and date. She says the very next call after Shannan's other than her daughter updating her on if she heard from Shannan is Hackett. Her daughter called Alex (approximately 6 hours) the morning after Hackett called Mari. She says Alex and Pac contacted Hackett because Shannan's sister contacted Alex trying to find Shannan. She told Alex about Mari's conversation with Hackett. At the time of the first call from Hackett, Mari did not know Hackett from Adam and she did not know anything was wrong, did not know Shannan was missing. Neither Alex or Pac called Mari to say she was missing. She only found out when the sister called Alex. On the 48 HR documentary (first one) Dormer says there is evidence the doc did make the calls although he did not specify if it was 2 calls or 3 calls. If she has this first call on her phone records and on her caller ID then she does have proof Hackett knew Shannan and felt the need to provide an excuse for Shannan being in his house in case someone saw her. This cannot be resolved without Mari releasing her phone records or LE releasing them and verifying there was a first call on 5/1 before Shannan was reported missing. Mari's claims are supported by Robyn Sax, a reputable attorney. So as I said before, you can believe Mari for now or believe CPH, a known pathological liar. Why would he make such an inccriminating call? He may have been forced to make it or he may have been drunk with his telephonitis getting the best of him. Naturally he would deny it now, since it is very incriminating. I do not believe Mari would have any reason for making up the call. It would make no sense at all for her to do so.

 

[Redbird]

As a mother, it strikes me as chauvinistic to think that Mari would make up such a story about a doctor she did not know, had never met, calling her.

 

[PAXIMUS]

As a mother, it strikes me as chauvinistic to think that Mari would make up such a story about a doctor she did not know, had never met, calling her.

I would never say that about her but we cannot take what SHE SAYS the contents of that call was as FACT, it is an allegation not a fact since she didnt record the call nobody can KNOW for certain what the contents were. Words have definitions, that have to be used in accord with what they mean. You cannot call something that isnt a fact, a fact, it doesnt work that way.

 

[Sillybilly]

As a mother, it strikes me as chauvinistic to think that Mari would make up such a story about a doctor she did not know, had never met, calling her.

At the time of the alleged call from CPH, Mari was a mother who simply didn't know where her daughter was for a few days. Receiving a phone call from a doctor who offers assistance, is unlikely to be so totally turned around in Mari's mind as him having seen her, she was at his clinic, the driver left with her the next morning, blah blah.

Unless something specific was said to indicate that CPH had some knowledge of SG's whereabouts, IMO it is unlikely that Mari's mind would willy nilly come up with such detail about a conversation that never even happened.

WRT a suggestion that Mari fabricated the content of the call to pin SG's disappearance on someone who had no knowledge of her daughter's whereabouts, there was no need to identify someone, no perp to pin responsibility on at a time when someone just can't be rounded up in a couple of days. Not to mention that pointing towards someone who had no knowledge would serve Mari zero purpose in her objective to find Shannan ... who was believed to be simply missing.

 

[truthspider]

As promised, the scanned relevant pages (12) from the book. It's a pdf.

I'm just sharing information with everyone interested, you should draw your own conclusions.
If you think it's just coincidence or are not interested please ignore, but please don't argue with us for sharing the information on this thread. this thread was created simply to discuss a book.

the 12 page pdf file is located here:

megaupload.com/?d=BISUOW3F

(I am having trouble uploading the 4MB file to WS)