The Murder of Janet Abaroa #1

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  • #181
PrayersForMaura said:
good stress list, ThinkofLaura, and I agree, stress was mounting.

For a couple short on cash, i would think that the pets and the internet access could go for a while ... he seemed to work on the internet quite a bit and from the little bit of searching i have sone, it seems he posted on a few sites... one about cars, then there was classmates, his site, and his interest in the stock market which is huge online ... who knows if he lost any money in the stock market.

Please, if you can, do a search on the property situation. I don't know how to do that or I would help ya! Thanks!

I'm happy to do what I can. I do know that most of the Eastern seaboard states have county by county choices as to whether property records are public or not, but I will do my very best right now.

ThinkofLaura
 
  • #182
i really thank misterallgood for bringing this thread to my and our attention and for all the posters who are contributing on this thread. I tried to generate more interest by posting a thread in the jury room to come visit this thread. It's amazing how certain cases can drum up so much conversation and attention and this one has barely gotten off the ground :(

I think Janet is just as beautiful as Lori Hacking and Laci Peterson and she deserves some more national media attention to help find her murderer.

I noticed her mother's name is Janet and so is her grandma's ... their legacy has been broken thanks to some cold hearted killer. What a terrible mother's day for Janet and Raven's baby and for Janet's mother, father and her siblings.
May she rest in peace.
 
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TisHerself said:
OMG That photo is awfull:(
She was found on the floor, according to the police report.

Just got this comment at my blog, on my most recent Abaroa entry;

"I have known Janet since we were babies and am devastated by her loss. I feel sorrow for her family and friends but mostly for the person who did this to her. The person who did this took a beautiful woman away from all who loved her, before her time. They took a mother away from a baby. He will never fully understand how incredible his mother was. That is biggest tragedy here. Please pray for her family that they may find peace..."
The person just signed themselves LO.

I put what I felt was the most important thing to consider in bold. I always have to stop and remind myself while examining the intrigue that there was a huge and human tragedy here.
 
  • #185
misterallgood said:
She was found on the floor, according to the police report.

Just got this comment at my blog, on my most recent Abaroa entry;

The person just signed themselves LO.

I put what I felt was the most important thing to consider in bold. I always have to stop and remind myself while examining the intrigue that there was a huge and human tragedy here.


Oh, it's a horrible loss of a young woman, a mother with her whole life ahead of her.. She had only just begun to live, truly. Her baby boy is precious, and she appears to be one of those people who was trying very hard to make the best of her life. She was not a " slacker type" person, from the little I can find out about her.
I'm not sure if this is coming across as " sensationalized" when we post and speculate a bit, but I don't think, from reading other threads about other unsolved crimes, that it is out of the ordinary to throw out theories and possibilities.. The title of the site is Websleuths Crime SLEUTHING Community... Sleuthing involves information gathering, first and foremost. That's where you have a huge advantage. THANK YOU for bringing this senseless, tragic and almost hidden crime to light.

We are each at a huge disadvantage in this particular case because ALL we really have to go on are some Internet doodlings of Raven's in the past, a selective present website, and extremely scant info from LE about her death and the investigation.
NO family is crying out for justice.
I want to know WHY NOT??

WHY are people not hot on this case? Call me Baffled. It fits.

ThinkofLaura
 
  • #186
PrayersForMaura said:
i really thank misterallgood for bringing this thread to my and our attention and for all the posters who are contributing on this thread. I tried to generate more interest by posting a thread in the jury room to come visit this thread. It's amazing how certain cases can drum up so much conversation and attention and this one has barely gotten off the ground :(

I think Janet is just as beautiful as Lori Hacking and Laci Peterson and she deserves some more national media attention to help find her murderer.

I noticed her mother's name is Janet and so is her grandma's ... their legacy has been broken thanks to some cold hearted killer. What a terrible mother's day for Janet and Raven's baby and for Janet's mother, father and her siblings.
May she rest in peace.
ITA with every word you have just written. Thank you for expressing the sadness I feel for a woman I never had the chance to meet and for saying exactly how I feel about the almost total lack of media coverage of her UNSOLVED MURDER.

I want to scream " HEY! There is something to do and it's right here. Help find clues to the life and death of Janet Abaroa".
It took me a few days to find this thread, and I immediately saw that her murder was largely ignored in the press due to another happenstance at the same time.
A murderer got lucky, at least for a time, don't you think?

Janet's case may not ever make " America's Most Wanted", FOXNews.com., or any other forum devoted to true crime, I don't know, but I hope that one day someone who loves her will know that there are people all over the country gathered together on the Internet at a place called Websleuths mourning her MURDER, and trying to find out more about her and her life, so that we might have a clue or two about her death.

I hope her parents and siblings will release some info about her life.. as they can. I can't find much of her online. She lived in the shadow of the Raven.

ThinkofLaura
 
  • #187
1) No property records in Durham Co. NC.
2) No personal bankruptcy filed in NC under last name Abaroa. ( I had to check through the NC court system, which is my least favorite way to search, but the other site I use has been unavailable for 2-3 days.
3) No tax liens under same last name.
4) No civil suits found in Durham Co.
5) Foreclosure site is down ( same as bankruptcy site).

In summary, unless he had a corporation and held property or filed a UCC or bankruptcy as a corporation, I could not find any financial/ property info in the name of Abaroa.
However, with the couple only being 25 years old, it's very normal for the real estate history to be lacking.

We probably knew the most important things: They were renting, could not pay their rent due to Raven's criminal legal system problems, and we know a bit about their recent employment histories.
I'm sorry I could not find something concrete.
Others are probably more proficient than I am and may have better luck than I did.... maybe outside Durham Co.. that's the only Co. I did a property search in. If others need to be checked, if someone will tell me which ones, I can do them quickly through netronline.
 
  • #188
Thinkoflaura said:
WHY are people not hot on this case? Call me Baffled. It fits.
Color me the same. I was struck by the fact that while a certain shoplifting, breast-augmented, "runaway bride" was on a Greyhound that same Tuesday night, sending her fiance and eventually the nation on a wild goose chase, this very real and horrible murder that appears to not be solved yet was taking place just down the road, making it only to local papers and news. There are thousands of such inequities in news coverage every day, as reporter Samiha Khanna pointed out to me in an e-mail other than the one from which I quoted earlier in the thread, but I chose to look at this one because I was struck that here was another young woman, a younger woman, actually, a new mother, brutally and as yet inexplicably stabbed to death the same night the "runaway bride" started the chain of events that would turn her story into a giant black sucking hole of news coverage. The only element missing from this case that has been present in other high-profile cases -- except the Jennifer Corbin murder, which I also have written about a great deal, and know some of the principle players in it -- is the disappearance.

Now that I've just written that, it occurs to me that this case is following the Corbin model if nothing else, save the attempt to make her death look like a suicide. And look at that, willya? The Corbin case is already slated to be an Ann Rule book. I just e-mailed her the link for the Gwinnett County court calendar page the other day, and she e-mailed me advice for getting a press pass to Corbin's Gwinnett trial.

I really got fixed in my interest in Janet's death after reading Raven's blog, though... the frequency of the personal pronoun "I" in that one long blog entry was startling, and telling. Yet he is depicted mostly in the press as a deeply grieving husband. It's true -- narcissist or no, he could be just that, and unlucky that he unwittingly laid his personal foibles bare on those sites. If he is truly an innocent widower with an infant to care for, I pray for him.

But you know, it could very well be backlash against the furor over the runaway bride that is keeping this one quiet. Who knows. Screw it, though. I'm e-mailing Greta V. after I post this.

About the websites -- that's actually a great positive for us "amateur cybersleuths." Think about how little we would have had on this 10 years ago. One reason I decided to do a "true-crime" blog was that with the flourishing of the internet and world wide web have created a publicly accessible element any of us with some web savvy can investigate. I wrote an entry back in December on a different blog about Rachelle Waterman, the teen in Alaska who had a Livejournal (blog) -- the 16-year-old masterminded her mom's very brutal murder and it was executed by her two 24 year-old boyfriends. One of whom has a rockin' case of man-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, but I digress -- that blog entry was my most popular ever at the time. Now I examine many cases with an eye towards the internet element, if any. This one has a larger-than-usual flock of websites to gather up and present, and they give a fascinating portrait of the person who is, as is always the case with spousal murder, the most logical person to first examine.

Like I said, I'm e-mailing OnTheRecord. Let's see what happens. Probably nuthin', but at least I tried.

Mr. A/Steve
 
  • #189
You're correct in that, because of her young age, we have access to superficial information about Janet. Also, because of Raven's self-love, we have a slanted and incomplete view of the world from his " perch".


However, I can't think of another case where a young, pretty, wholesome woman with an apparent large family and church family received NO Internet interest at all to speak of.
People were all over the Blagg murder ( which is very similar to what is known about this case), the Hacking murder ( also with striking similarites) and the Peterson case.

WHY NOT THIS ONE? I know she had friends, a family other than the one she married into, co-workers, neighbors, a landlord ( who did speak on the record just a bit, the ONLY one to do so thus far), an employer, a babysitter, and..
A HUSBAND.
Maybe none of them have the funds to go on CNN and plead for " a killer to turn himself in" but they DO have the ability to contact news media and tell Janet's story, to generate human interest in her as a person, not a statistic.

There's something just not right about this. I feel like this case has many elements not released to the public.. I just hope the lack of information means that they are focused on physical evidence exam results being returned from the labs so they can arrest the perp.
The thought keeps going through my head- this case may go cold in a hurry.
While I was scanning through the Durham area news tonight, there were several other brand new stabbing/ shooting homicides. Difference is, most of there were eyewitnesses, and the suspected perp.in custody was usually a family member.
 
  • #190
What follows is essentially what I have e-mailed to both Nancy Grace and Greta Van Susteren:

What follows are blog links and a google news search about the mysterious -- or depending on your p.o.v. not-so-mysterious -- death of Durham NC 25-year-old wife and mom, Janet Abaroa.

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000714.html
http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000715.html
http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000719.html
Google news search for "Janet Abaroa"

Janet was murdered the same night as Jennifer Wilbanks disappeared. While Wilbanks was on the Greyhound, this young woman, an athletic all-star in college and devout mormon, was being stabbed to death in her own home, with her baby son Kaiden in the next room.

There are thousands of such neglected stories out there. This one is interesting, as you will see in the last 000719 blog link, because of the websites kept by the victim's husband, Raven. He is not yet named a suspect, but it is disturbing to look at his sites and see the absence of Janet and the narcissism of Raven. I suggest you take a look at this one.
I figured it couldn't hurt. ThinkofLaura, you're right... the quiet here is strange. Heck, we never know where crimes like this could go. You're not the only one with that hinky feeling that goes beyond the actual crime and any possible suspect. A fellow blogger who frequently covers true crime at misfitting.com, and I think she posts here, feels like the whole thing is strange, too.
 
  • #191
I'm having a hard time digging it out of there, but there was a blurb on regarding them *owning* a house. Could have been a rent-to-own deal. Something about it being a big fixer-upper, there was a link for pictures and the pictures were removed.
 
  • #192
Quote:
"I have known Janet since we were babies and am devastated by her loss. I feel sorrow for her family and friends but mostly for the person who did this to her. The person who did this took a beautiful woman away from all who loved her, before her time. They took a mother away from a baby. He will never fully understand how incredible his mother was. That is biggest tragedy here. Please pray for her family that they may find peace..."

1. how does she know it's a *he* ...
2. strikes me that this person has incredible compassion for this killer.
 
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http://web.archive.org/web/20020122113724/http://www.ravenstree.com/
Monday, October 01, 2001 :

A complete remodeling of http://web.archive.org/web/20020122113724/http://www.ravenstree.com/ is about to take place. Over time, this website will receive a face lift unlike what anyone can imagine. To complete this new image, I need to take some Macromedia training and that will take some time.

On another note, Raven is remodeling too. A new house is around the corner, a very big fixer-upper! I am excited to get started with my own home. In addition to that I will soon be riding a new motorcycle. A Ducati 748 to be exact!

May 08, 2001:

I got my wallet stolen today. $35 and my drivers license and credit cards... Bummer!

-------------
 
  • #195
golfmom said:
Quote:
"I have known Janet since we were babies and am devastated by her loss. I feel sorrow for her family and friends but mostly for the person who did this to her. The person who did this took a beautiful woman away from all who loved her, before her time. They took a mother away from a baby. He will never fully understand how incredible his mother was. That is biggest tragedy here. Please pray for her family that they may find peace..."

1. how does she know it's a *he* ...
2. strikes me that this person has incredible compassion for this killer.
I think that the *he* being referred to is her son as in "He will never fully understand how incredible his mother was."
 
  • #196
Barbara2 said:
I think that the *he* being referred to is her son as in "He will never fully understand how incredible his mother was."

:blushing: nevermind ... LOL
 
  • #197
golfmom said:
:blushing: nevermind ... LOL
*I know the feeling. Been there, done that.* :doh:
 
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I just wanted to share that "Abaroa" was Raven's mother's maiden name. This is his late grandfather name that Raven has obviously taken!

At the bottom of raventree home page, he describes his heritage. His grandfather's name is "Ramon Vidal Abaroa". I Googled and found that, if this is correct on my part, that it's actually "Ramon Vida Abaroa" and that he served in WWII, died 1/22/1999. Also states that this man was born in San Diego County, but that's all I could find.

*Who* is this 25 year old guy??? Everytime I read his blog, "professional" background, I cannot help but see a young man who has gone waaay beyond true reality and what *he* has tried to make himself out to be. Grandiose behaviour at this age??? Scary!

BTW, if you read his resume of experience on nutmeg, you will also find that he helped coach the SVU Women's Soccer team. Of course, this team was a HUGE champion team.... This guy is unreal...literally.
 
  • #200
I'm struggling with the whole clan / tribe / team theme with his interests
 
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