The Phone Calls in the early morning of Dec.18, 2013 (both PayPhone & cells)

[Mahouston69]

I think that Terry Elvis always said the phone stopped at 3:41.
My guess is that the 6:00 may have come from initial statements, rather than from any data, i.e someone saying they got a text from Heather around that time or something like that,which proved incorrect.

What would be the point of LE "changing" times of her all with BW? I mean there are two sets of records, pings and all, for that call, which I believe over the date's memory, no offense to him.

I agree with you. Data will show exactly what times calls were made and where. What is so frustrating and confusing is why the date is so insistent on his time and her having no calls during the date up to when he dropped her off. If he is saying it was after 2, and the records show she had a phone call with BW before 2.. and the date says no she didn't...:banghead: why?

 

[CHERIE.T]

SS hasn't said anything after the first interview. He might have a lot to say, but most likely LE told him not to. As I have mentioned previously, he might have not adjusted his clock in the truck for the time change and forgot about it. (Yes, I know he could have looked at his phone, but also as I said before, my son has no idea what time it is on any given day, so SS might not have either). Point being, LE might or might not have changed anything, but after being reviewed, the actual facts could have been different than originally reported.

I hesitate to mention that LE didn't say Heather was communicating until 6:00 am, but media said that. It was not part of a press conference. And we have seen how different media interprets the same thing in different ways.

That being said, at 3:41 all "data" ended. Not all "communications" ended. It might mean the same thing, but in other cases, wording was important. I don't believe LE has ever said that there was "nothing" after 3:41. Just no "data" after that time. There are widgets that disable your mobile data with one click.(helps keep you from going over your data limit, if you have one) One article from February has Heather's last phone "ping" at 3am, yet LE states that data ended at 3:41 (if you have data going, you have a ping). The phone information in media changed from day to day, from last ping at X to last phone call at X to data ended at 3:41. I have heard nothing about the last phone "ping" since LE announced that the data ended at 3:41.

The whole point of this post is that, depending on the information that LE does have and the public doesn't have, there might or might not be discrepancies that are unexplainable. They might have been completely explained and we (the public) just don't have access to that information.

The fact that LE has not said specifically where the last ping was on Heather's phone has me thinking there is more to the phone information. (Can anyone say Dylan Redwine and "electronic communication"-long story....)

BBM

Thumbs up Ghostwheel.

 

[SStarr33]

I agree with you. Data will show exactly what times calls were made and where. What is so frustrating and confusing is why the date is so insistent on his time and her having no calls during the date up to when he dropped her off. If he is saying it was after 2, and the records show she had a phone call with BW before 2.. and the date says no she didn't...:banghead: why?

Because he is a clueless young man.

 

[Mahouston69]

:doh:

Because he is a clueless young man.

 

[PPKik]

I don't think that was the the implication.
SS has corrected the police and others many times that he looked at the clock in his car I think, and knew exactly what time it was when he left HE at her apartment. But, his time doesn't fit the LE timeline...with phone calls and who he called and whether she used her phone on the date besides texting her Dad the driving photo...so, it's not all lining up perfectly.

Exactly. Thank you. I didn't know how to explain it any better.

Unfortunately, my copy of the un-redacted police report of Dec. 19, 2013, is in an old computer that will not connect to the internet.

In this police report Entity 2's [SS's] statement about the time he dropped Heather off was given: "...[he] stated that he took the victim [Heather] back to her residence at approximately 0200-0230 hours...."

It is also in this report that "Entity 1 [Terry Elvis] stated that he had contacted his cellular provider (T-Mobile), who provided him with a call history...and that the last phone calls were at approximately 0600 hours on December 18 and the calls were back and forth between the victim and Entity 4 [SM]."

FWIW

 

[momrids6]

Because he is a clueless young man.

or the clock in his car is set wrong

 

[cluciano63]

Didn't the call with BW show Heather was at home at the time? Or her phone was and we know she was on it, per BW. If so...the date has to be wrong. No one is lying or changing stories, just a simple mistake.

 

[jillycat]

Because he is a clueless young man.

No, I don't think the date is clueless.

But he sure has been made out to be a guy who can't tell time and didn't know where he was for part of a morning.

At any rate, Terry Elvis said from the get-go that the phone activity stopped at 3:41.

I think he's the only one who said said what he meant and meant what he said in all the word salad exercises over activity vs communications vs 'data' vs whatever else the police have called use of a phone.

 

[PPKik]

No, I don't think the date is clueless.

But he sure has been made out to be a guy who can't tell time and didn't know where he was for part of a morning.

At any rate, Terry Elvis said from the get-go that the phone activity stopped at 3:41.

I think he's the only one who said said what he meant and meant what he said in all the word salad exercises over activity vs communications vs 'data' vs whatever else the police have called use of a phone.

BBM

This is worth saving. It sure sums it up.


"...in all the word salad exercises over activity vs communications vs 'data' vs whatever else the police have called use of a phone."

 

[Ghostwheel]

No, I don't think the date is clueless.

But he sure has been made out to be a guy who can't tell time and didn't know where he was for part of a morning.

At any rate, Terry Elvis said from the get-go that the phone activity stopped at 3:41.

I think he's the only one who said said what he meant and meant what he said in all the word salad exercises over activity vs communications vs 'data' vs whatever else the police have called use of a phone.

Yeah, except Mr. Elvis originally said 6am.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html

"A police report says Elvis’ father contacted T-Mobile, his cellular provider, which the report says provided him with a call history for the victim’s phone.

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date."

 

[jillycat]

Yeah, except Mr. Elvis originally said 6am.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/aynor/article_e27b8722-81fa-11e3-a440-001a4bcf6878.html

"A police report says Elvis’ father contacted T-Mobile, his cellular provider, which the report says provided him with a call history for the victim’s phone.

According to the report, the last phone calls were at about 6 a.m. Dec. 18, about four hours after Elvis and Shiraldi ended their date."

This looks to me like the media said the police report said Terry Elvis said....

 

[Ghostwheel]

This looks to me like the media said the police report said Terry Elvis said....

I'm sure it does to anyone who didn't see the original report.

 

[PPKik]

This looks to me like the media said the police report said Terry Elvis said....

True. But that is what the police report says. It's almost a direct quote. If we didn't have the report, then I would trust the media to distort it.

Terry Elvis said the officer who came to his door was a friend. I expect that part of the p.r. is accurate. He checked this T-mobile records early enough for that information to be in the Dec. 19 p.r. He said 6am.

 

[jillycat]

I'm sure it does to anyone who didn't see the original report.

Does it quote Terry Elvis?

But we're referring to the link...correct?

Nonetheless, when I refer to statements by Terry Elvis, I'm referring to what I heard him say in interviews or statements in quotation marks that are attributed to him.

I'm not referring to reports of what he said. For the same reason I don't refer to reports about hospitalization of Heather. Or reports that someone called in the car as abandoned vs the police found it on their own.

This case has been a study in the importance of direct quotes. JMO

 

[PPKik]

Does it quote Terry Elvis?

But we're referring to the link...correct?

Nonetheless, when I refer to statements by Terry Elvis, I'm referring to what I heard him say in interviews or statements in quotation marks that are attributed to him.

I'm not referring to reports of what he said. For the same reason I don't refer to reports about hospitalization of Heather. Or reports that someone called in the car as abandoned vs the police found it on their own.

This case has been a study in the importance of direct quotes. JMO

I agree with you about direct quotes, except for the police report. If we are to believe anything, the report was made with Terry Elvis either being in the presence of the officer, or directly reporting to him.

Beyond that, the police said for close to several months that there was communication until 6am. Where did this come from, if not from the T-Mobile bill? At some point Terry Elvis said it was 3:41am, while the police were still saying 6am. All of that was quoted.

Richardson blew off that incredibly major time change or discrepancy by saying it was a "roundabout figure." Are they confused?

 

[SStarr33]

The police are allowed to lie in an investigation. And, I would be clueless on exact times same as SS.

 

[jillycat]

True. But that is what the police report says. It's almost a direct quote. If we didn't have the report, then I would trust the media to distort it.

Terry Elvis said the officer who came to his door was a friend. I expect that part of the p.r. is accurate. He checked this T-mobile records early enough for that information to be in the Dec. 19 p.r. He said 6am.

Here, the media said Terry said the phone last "pinged" at 3:00 a.m.
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=986738#.U0iqJCjOeQI

Here, the media said the police said Heather and SM exchanged communications, "mostly through private messaging", between 2 and 6. At the time of this report, police were "falrly comfortable" Heather drove herself to PTL.
"Those communications occurred as late as 6 a.m. Dec. 18, police records state."
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

So she and SM were chatting until at least 6. Later she was in harm's way by then. Then she was deceased by then.

But here's what we can be sure Terry Elvis himself said:
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/01/06/elvis-heather-missing-date-myrtle-beach-parents-speak

 

[jillycat]

I agree with you about direct quotes, except for the police report. If we are to believe anything, the report was made with Terry Elvis either being in the presence of the officer, or directly reporting to him.

Beyond that, the police said for close to several months that there was communication until 6am. Where did this come from, if not from the T-Mobile bill? At some point Terry Elvis said it was 3:41am, while the police were still saying 6am. All of that was quoted.

Richardson blew off that incredibly major time change or discrepancy by saying it was a "roundabout figure." Are they confused?

It wasn't a bill. It was the activity log that is immediately available each time a phone is used. When Terry Elvis pulled the activity log on the 19th, 3:41 was the end of the phone use.

I've always gone by Terry Elvis' own words about the log he himself read and personally gave to police after he pulled the record from online. I've never gone by what police reports or media reports about the police reports said.

Turns out Terry Elvis got it right. Because he read the log that doesn't lie.

 

[NWLady]

Just maybe, possibly, slight chance, could be, might be...that Heather's phone did not communicate, interact, send, call or text anyone after 3:41 a.m., but maybe, possibly, other phones of people(s) involved could have communicated, interacted, sent, called or texted TO Heather's phone. So, to sum it up, HER phone had nothing going out but other peoples' phone(s) might have had stuff going OUT to Heather's phone. Just a possibility but now so I don't get hit by a rock, I am going to do this :truce:

 

[jillycat]

Just maybe, possibly, slight chance, could be, might be...that Heather's phone did not communicate, interact, send, call or text anyone after 3:41 a.m., but maybe, possibly, other phones of people(s) involved could have communicated, interacted, sent, called or texted TO Heather's phone. So, to sum it up, HER phone had nothing going out but other peoples' phone(s) might have had stuff going OUT to Heather's phone. Just a possibility but now so I don't get hit by a rock, I am going to do this :truce:

Logs show both user and incoming activity.