The Phone Calls in the early morning of Dec.18, 2013 (both PayPhone & cells)

[Knox]

I don't understand what prevents the group from looking for Heather on their own? Why does their search need to be sanctioned by LE?

I know the Elvis family has declined help from Psychics in the past. I don't think they would support any offers of help from findme2.

 

[PPKik]

Why would this group look on their own when they must have been contacted by Barbara Cherry or someone on behalf of the Elvis family?

These groups wouldn't randomly come in. They would have to be asked.

What doesn't makes sense is why are they not being allowed to search, according to the petition. Why hasn't the Elvis family signed this petition, while it is being advertised by family friends?

Is the Elvis family supporting this search attempt or not?

 

[Knox]

Again I will ask; why does LE need to approve of their search, they cannot search on their own? If it's a professional organization and has the proper search protocols in place, i.e., don't touch anything, place a marker flag and call LE, etc.

 

[Madeleine74]

LE doesn't need to approve of each search done. They have already gone on record, publicly, via Facebook, saying they have no problem with searches as long as all laws are followed, etc. etc.

 

[PPKik]

I assume from the various responses that no one knows the reason for this petition, or the purpose behind it, even though it is supported by family friends. This gets stranger and stranger.

 

[Madeleine74]

I assume from the various responses that no one knows the reason for this petition, or the purpose behind it, even though it is supported by family friends. This gets stranger and stranger.

No one who is still reading here. I'm sure people somewhere know the purpose of the petition; they're not on WS. It's a big web out there and WS is just one small board in the vast ocean.

 

[PPKik]

Didn't you just write this quote below?

LE doesn't need to approve of each search done. They have already gone on record, publicly, via Facebook, saying they have no problem with searches as long as all laws are followed, etc. etc.

I won't waste space and time quoting everyone who agrees this is odd.

You just said "LE doesn't need to approve of each search done," yet you also seem to be arguing that a petition that people are asked to sign, against LE, makes some kind of sense to people not on WS!! People on WS are also people there and people who are being asked to sign the petition!! lease:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I am just curious. Do you know this or assume Heather moved from her parents' house to BW's apartment?

I ask because this has been a big question. According to the police report, Heather had recently been in an abusive relationship with her supposed ex boyfriend. Many people assumed she was staying with this ex boyfriend. Others have said Heather was living out of her car.

Nowhere have Heather's parents, to my knowledge, said that Heather moved straight from their house to BW's. In fact, they haven't been said anything to clarify her previous living arrangements. I have wanted to know where Heather was living because many people believe she was living out of her car. Thanks in advance for any clarification you can give.

So one relationship was abusive, the other one is with a married father. Two toxic relationships before 21. It is really sad that Heather felt she didn't "deserve" an actual, loving boyfriend. Nope, a guy who abuses her is better, or the guy who can only see her in secret, and she is just "on the side".

 

[CellarDoor]

So one relationship was abusive, the other one is with a married father. Two toxic relationships before 21. It is really sad that Heather felt she didn't "deserve" an actual, loving boyfriend. Nope, a guy who abuses her is better, or the guy who can only see her in secret, and she is just "on the side".

Great post Eileen! Just jumping off of what you said.. I can relate to her situation far too well. When I was 17 I was in an abusive relationship that lasted about two years. When it ended I began working at a bar... Very easy money and actually rather liberating in a sense! You're surrounded by men hitting on you and people being nice, and it's easy to put the past behind you. But anyway, I really do think she saw SM as attractive (which she didn't keep secret) and found the circumstances of their "relationship" to be exciting/new. I don't want to make assumptions about her, but she was just acting like a 20 year old. I'm 23 and see her actions as being somewhat rational... Sadly, no one can anticipate someone like TM being part of the deal.

I think heather was just being an experimental young adult.. She probably wanted fun, not a relationship. Her social media shows she was wasn't really lacking in the self esteem department.

JMO

 

[4evernbluejeans]

Great post Eileen! Just jumping off of what you said.. I can relate to her situation far too well. When I was 17 I was in an abusive relationship that lasted about two years. When it ended I began working at a bar... Very easy money and actually rather liberating in a sense! You're surrounded by men hitting on you and people being nice, and it's easy to put the past behind you. But anyway, I really do think she saw SM as attractive (which she didn't keep secret) and found the circumstances of their "relationship" to be exciting/new. I don't want to make assumptions about her, but she was just acting like a 20 year old. I'm 23 and see her actions as being somewhat rational... Sadly, no one can anticipate someone like TM being part of the deal.

I think heather was just being an experimental young adult.. She probably wanted fun, not a relationship. Her social media shows she was wasn't really lacking in the self esteem department.

JMO

Hi! Idk if you can judge someone's self esteem from social media. If you love something, you treat it well. Love is more than saying the words or posting the pictures. It is about the actions and I am not certain HEs actions show self love. JMO of course. I also have the luxury of 20 years hindsight on my own dating mistakes. :-( Such a sad state. I still hope for a confession.

 

[4evernbluejeans]

PPkik, I went to the websight for that petition thing. They have a list of requirement to get involved with a case. One of them is a liason with LE and "working" relationship with them. They will only share their info with LE, and expect all leads to be followed up by the police. I think this is a bone of contention, the police already work with 2 groups and have no interest in this one. Their sight also says it collects no money from the family, but maybe someone might know-does LE pay any of these groups? Maybe there is some kind of crime victims fund they might use? Idk- anyhow, although it seems some of the friends of the E's might want this group involved, I do not see the E's pushing for it. jmo

 

[4evernbluejeans]

Ps please excuse typos, using stoopid cell phone with teeny tiny buttons. Dork

 

[Madeleine74]

Didn't you just write this quote below?

I won't waste space and time quoting everyone who agrees this is odd.

You just said "LE doesn't need to approve of each search done," yet you also seem to be arguing that a petition that people are asked to sign, against LE, makes some kind of sense to people not on WS!! People on WS are also people there and people who are being asked to sign the petition!! lease:

No PPKik.

You asked if anyone knew the purpose of the petition and speculated that "no one" did. I clarified that "no one on WS" appears to know, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there, beyond WS, who know (the purpose of the petition).

That has nothing to do with LE's opinion and stance on searches being done by groups other than members of LE, and how my words were twisted to mean anything but what I wrote, is a mystery.

 

[4evernbluejeans]

I think this family was ruined far before HE became involved. That was a house of cards, I think the Ms were a "created" social media fantasy family, that never existed in real life. Should we really believe this home was a happy one and handcuffs to the bedpost and threatening beat downs only came after HE? I have seen many young women throw themselves at married men. The married men I knew, ignored them. SM was unfaithful. TM and SM are accused murderers. HE is dead. She paid the price. I really have a hard time blaming her for any of the actions these two took against her. Having an affair is not a punishable by death crime- at least not in the U.S.

 

[4evernbluejeans]

Typos and all, I believe we will find out that the Ms marriage had plenty of verbal and physical abuse far before HE ever met them. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[4evernbluejeans]

Alright since this is the phone call thread, I will ask this- doesn't the fact that BW said HE was crying bc she had moved on from that "relationship" imply that there was in fact a relationship? The fact that she was crying-imply some level of emotion? I also remember thinking that the "abusive ex boyfriend" was a fabrication for HE's parents. Maybe to cover for the whole married/father/kind of crazy wife thing? Did anyone else think that? I can't remember HE mentioning another boyfriend at this SAME time as SM? Is that right? Or did they just closely follow each other?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Alright since this is the phone call thread, I will ask this- doesn't the fact that BW said HE was crying bc she had moved on from that "relationship" imply that there was in fact a relationship? The fact that she was crying-imply some level of emotion? I also remember thinking that the "abusive ex boyfriend" was a fabrication for HE's parents. Maybe to cover for the whole married/father/kind of crazy wife thing? Did anyone else think that? I can't remember HE mentioning another boyfriend at this SAME time as SM? Is that right? Or did they just closely follow each other?

I don't think Heather's parents knew about Sidney. I don't see why she had to be dating him at the same time? It could be anytime in the past. Terry only told LE about the ex, and I do not know why he would cover up the affair for LE if he was aware.

I don't buy that Heather was in love with him, if she went months without contact in this digitial 24/7 connected world. But I also hope she didn't go to PTL at 3 AM for some guy she had no feelings for. And crying over some guy she didn't care about? Everything makes way more sense if you presume the relationship continued after the supposed breakup.

 

[Madeleine74]

Terry Elvis confirmed, early on, that neither he nor his wife knew about SM or that Heather was involved with a married man. The first time they learned about it was when the phone call logs were being checked to see who Heather was last in touch with. Source: Various MSM reports from Dec & Jan. See: Media Section.

 

[PPKik]

Terry Elvis also confirmed, early on, that neither he nor his wife knew if Heather had changed her clothes after to the first date to go out to meet SM, even though he had a photo of Heather wearing her "date clothes" from that night (Dec 17), and that photo was even published.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Terry Elvis also confirmed, early on, that neither he nor his wife knew if Heather had changed her clothes after to the first date to go out to meet SM, even though he had a photo of Heather wearing her "date clothes" from that night (Dec 17), and that photo was even published.

Early on. Why would they know what she wore that night? She lived on her own at 20 years old. I can see forgetting about the text pic, but come on now.
Bits and pieces doesn't make any report or interview true. jmo