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[JMO8778]

You mean its published LInda Arndts book. Oh wow she must have really changed her mind from her interviews then. She did interview with local reporters.....

Fact about the Grand Jury they did not agree Patsy didn't do it. More or less sent DA Hunter to do his homework and decide ....Deal or no deal....

Amen to that.As far as LA's book,she let patsy-the-con-artist pull one over on her...remember,she met with her alone,one of which was set up by TR and NOT by accident,per ST.Sounds just like something they would do.

 

[coloradokares]

Amen to that.As far as LA's book,she let patsy-the-con-artist pull one over on her...remember,she met with her alone,one of which was set up by TR and NOT by accident,per ST.Sounds just like something they would do.

Can someone provide the release date of Linda Arndt's book. I can't wait to read this. She has done a total flipity flop.

 

[coloradokares]

I disagree with you. You'll never convince me that a family member killed JonBenet. Even Linda Arndt believes it's not John or Patsy. Read her book. Of all the people I've talked to and the websites I've visited,I would say that 95% agree with me. Show me the PROOF that Patsy did it and I might believe you, but until then, forget it. Take a look at the results of the grand jury too. They DID agree that Patsy didn't do it.

In doing a search for Linda Arndts book....Barnes and Noble has not listed it as available yet in publication?!? There is Linda McLean's book. JonBenet's Mother. written by Linda McLean a friend of Patsy Ramsey from West Virgina.

I had heard that Linda Arndt saying she felt John was responsible not Patsy. However I want any info on this book you say you read. I cant find it available for purchase ...Do you know where I can get it.

 

[icedtea4me]

I'd say that loyalalways has confused Linda McLean with Linda Arndt.

Read my sig. Does that sound like a retelling of an event John Ramsey actually experienced?


-Tea

 

[4sure]

im afraid its not bs, its in the books on the case. do some reading.

The problem with some RDI people is that they believe everything they have been told. LE leaks are not evidence. We all know they were trying to pressure the r's into a confession because LE had no real evidence to charge them. It is a age-old LE tatic that is so obvious to anyone paying attention.

 

[tezi]

The problem with some RDI people is that they believe everything they have been told. LE leaks are not evidence. We all know they were trying to pressure the r's into a confession because LE had no real evidence to charge them. It is a age-old LE tatic that is so obvious to anyone paying attention.

Pardon me, but most of us RDI's (as you call us) know this case better than Mary Lacy. We don't believe the BS that comes from Smit, Lacy, DeMuth, et al. Some of us have actually had personal dealings with some of the DAs in this case. We know exactly what the evidence is and the level of corruption in Boulder. LE had more than enough evidence to charge them, it was the DAs office that wouldn't prosecute. And they wouldn't prosecute because of the level of corruption and Hunter's personal dealings with the defense lawyers.

Don't insult my intelligence or any other RDIs by saying we aren't paying attention, because we are and have been. And we will continue to do so.

 

[Jay78]

Pardon me, but most of us RDI's (as you call us) know this case better than Mary Lacy. We don't believe the BS that comes from Smit, Lacy, DeMuth, et al. Some of us have actually had personal dealings with some of the DAs in this case. We know exactly what the evidence is and the level of corruption in Boulder. LE had more than enough evidence to charge them, it was the DAs office that wouldn't prosecute. And they wouldn't prosecute because of the level of corruption and Hunter's personal dealings with the defense lawyers.

Don't insult my intelligence or any other RDIs by saying we aren't paying attention, because we are and have been. And we will continue to do so.

very good point! there are many people showing up at WS now that don't know the case well but seem to like to try and discredit others who know the case very well. If one takes the time to read the huge amount of information in the case, it becomes clear that all roads lead to the Ramseys.

 

[tezi]

very good point! there are many people showing up at WS now that don't know the case well but seem to like to try and discredit others who know the case very well. If one takes the time to read the huge amount of information in the case, it becomes clear that all roads lead to the Ramseys.

Yes, Jay, if one reads and actually tries to understand what they are reading, all roads lead back to the Ramseys.

And this business with people thinking Karr is still involved is beyond me. He was in ALABAMA!!!! His accomplice exists only in his mind, just like his involvement in JBR's death.

As someone pointed out this is suspect #3 that Tracey has fingered. Tracey is just as sick as Karr IMO. Tracey shouldn't be allowed to keep his job at CU, he's crossed the line. Why they renewed his tenure is beyond me, except it is Boulder, and the corruption goes on.

 

[coloradokares]

The problem with some RDI people is that they believe everything they have been told. LE leaks are not evidence. We all know they were trying to pressure the r's into a confession because LE had no real evidence to charge them. It is a age-old LE tatic that is so obvious to anyone paying attention.

Where is cousin Vinny when I need him he'll use that word.:crazy:

 

[Credence]

You have to understand that the GJ was being led by Ramsey-friendly DA Alex Hunter. Try and tell me he didn't sway the opinion in Ramsey favor. And some of the jurors went into the case already of the opinion that a parent couldn't do this to their child. Hardly a fair and impartial juror. Parents do things like this to their own children every day.

They didn't even hear testimony from the parents of the murdered child (who were home when she was murdered) or from the lead detective on the case. That's just ridiculous and shoddy investigating, in my opinion.

They were still waiting for some evidence when they made their decision not to indict - and deciding not to indict DOES NOT meant he Ramseys were cleared or vindicated whatsoever - it means the GJ didn't see enough cause to indict. I don't know how they came to that decision with the fiber evidence placing both John and Patsy in the crime scene, but with Hunter's guidance, they did.

I thought Kane presented the case to the GJ?

 

[icedtea4me]

Don't insult my intelligence or any other RDIs by saying we aren't paying attention, because we are and have been. And we will continue to do so.

To be fair, 4sure used the quantifier "some" in his/her comment.


-Tea

 

[4sure]

And they wouldn't prosecute because of the level of corruption and Hunter's personal dealings with the defense lawyers..

A grand jury made up of everyday people did not find all this evidence you speak of. You know why? Because when asked to see and hear this evidence LE couldn't because it only existed in leaks and lies. I suppose you'll tell me next that JR bribed all the GJ's.

Don't insult my intelligence or any other RDIs by saying we aren't paying attention, because we are and have been. And we will continue to do so.

Police lie, leak and distort in order to aquire convictions. If you don't know this then you are not paying attention to how LE operates. Especially when they have DNA results which do not support their theory.

 

[coloradokares]

A grand jury made up of everyday people did not find all this evidence you speak of. You know why? Because when asked to see and hear this evidence LE couldn't because it only existed in leaks and lies. I suppose you'll tell me next that JR bribed all the GJ's.
Police lie, leak and distort in order to aquire convictions. If you don't know this then you are not paying attention to how LE operates. Especially when they have DNA results which do not support their theory.

Two things that are fact ....the grand jury did not see or hear all the evidence from the DA led grand jury. Didn't even wait for test results to return on some things. Did not even interveiw John or Patsy. I make no accusation regarding bribes I doubt that but don't say there was no evidence except in leaks and lies. We got a warehouse full of it out here in storage. Also one of the grand jurors who are not under the same rules as jurors by the way said in interview that she felt the parents could not have done this because of the violence of the murder. She believed it prior to convening and after. JMHO..... some grand jury. How does Colorado feel about that. Note the public outcry for special prosecutor!! The Ramseys had arranged to turn themselves in quietly fearing what the results of a Grand Jury would be though....That may say different things to different observers.


The DNA will never convict anyone as degraded as it was. It may eleminate or what is called rule out. Never rule in. This may well not be a case for DNA to clear anyone or convict anyone.

 

[4sure]

We got a warehouse full of it out here in storage.
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I couldn't agree more. There is no doubt that there is a warehouse thats full of it.

 

[coloradokares]

I couldn't agree more. There is no doubt that there is a warehouse thats full of it.

Ok even I got to laugh at that I left my blind side exposed for that one. LOL:crazy:
Touche'

 

[EasyGruuvin]

Patsy absolutely did not do this terrible thing. There certainly was evidence of an intruder, including unknown DNA under JonBenet's fingernails and in her underwear, stun gun marks on her body and signs of a break-in in the basement.

I agree with you allthough there was evidence of two intruders in the basement considering two seperate shoe prints left there. I believe perhaps JMK was one of those intruders and the Ramseys are innocent completly. Bad police work can certainly muff up a case, it is shameful.

 

[BBB167893]

loyalalways, actually the truth is that Patsy Ramsey brutally killed her daughter as well as wrote that insipid, childish ransom note--there is no evidence of an intruder, never was--remember the unbroken spider web?--remember that parents are capable of some sick crimes, including mothers that have stabbed their own kids to death, decapitated their own kids, and also have burned to death their babies by putting them in micro-wave ovens---oh, and btw, John Mark Karr had absolutely nothing to do with anything in this case

I'm afraid he's right.

You'll never convince me that a family member killed JonBenet.

Never say never.

Show me the PROOF that Patsy did it and I might believe you, but until then, forget it.

You asked for it!

Fibers matched to the red sweater Patsy was wearing that night were found in places key to the crime: the paintbrush caddy she kept her art supplies in, the blanket used to wrap JonBenet's body, on the sticky side of the duct tape placed over JonBenet's mouth, and tied into both knots of the ligature used to strangle JonBenet. Patsy denies she ever went near these places wearing that sweater. In the interviews with Boulder prosecutors in August, 2000, prosecutor Bruce Levin summed up the evidence: MR. LEVIN: "I think that is probably fair. Based on the state of the art scientific testing, we believe the fibers from her jacket were found in the paint tray, were found tied into the ligature found on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket that she is wrapped in, were found on the duct tape that is found on the mouth, and the question is, can she explain to us how those fibers appeared in those places that are associated with her daughter's death. And I understand you are not going to answer those."

Take a look at the results of the grand jury too. They DID agree that Patsy didn't do it.

Based on nothing but naivete!

Patsy Ramsey is still a suspect in her daughter's murder to this day. Neither she nor her husband John were cleared or vindicated.
The DNA under JonBenet's fingernails could have been there for days. Patsy said she didn't recall JonBenet having a bath that day, and she also said JonBenet wasn't that interested in washing her hands. DNA under JB's nails is not proof of an intruder. That sample of DNA has NOT been matched to the underwear DNA. It's missing too many markers to be conclusively matched to anything or anyone. The DNA in her undies was most likely there before they were ever even taken out of the package. The underwear DNA was fragmented and degraded, whereas JB's was fresh and complete. Obviously the DNA was not deposited at the same time as JB's, or it would have been as fresh and complete as hers. Those undies were brand new and had never been washed - Dr Henry Lee obtained identical packages of underwear and tested them brand new and unwashed out of the package, and guess what - he found DNA on them. No one has been able to conclusively prove that those marks on JonBenet were made by a stun gun, and until they can prove it, we don't know that they made by a stun gun. Those marks were abrasions, not burns. Stun guns leave burns. What signs of a break in? There was an intact spider web spanning the window that was purported to be the entrance, and there is absolutely no forensic evidence on that window - which measures 18 X 30 inches. You mean the footprint? There's absolutely no way to date that print. It could have been there for months or years before JonBenet was murdered. Proof Patsy did? How about the fibers from the jacket she wore that evening being found in the paint tray the paintbrush used in the garotte came from, as well, as on the back of the tape over JonBent's motuh (tape that showed no signs of being on her face while she was still alive), and TIED into the knot of the cord strangling her? How about the fact that she could never be excluded as author of the RN, even by experts hired by the Rs themselves?
You have to understand that the GJ was being led by Ramsey-friendly DA Alex Hunter. Try and tell me he didn't sway the opinion in Ramsey favor. And some of the jurors went into the case already of the opinion that a parent couldn't do this to their child. Hardly a fair and impartial juror. Parents do things like this to their own children every day. They didn't even hear testimony from the parents of the murdered child (who were home when she was murdered) or from the lead detective on the case. That's just ridiculous and shoddy investigating, in my opinion. They were still waiting for some evidence when they made their decision not to indict - and deciding not to indict DOES NOT meant he Ramseys were cleared or vindicated whatsoever - it means the GJ didn't see enough cause to indict. I don't know how they came to that decision with the fiber evidence placing both John and Patsy in the crime scene, but with Hunter's guidance, they did.

You tell 'em, NP!

I thought Kane presented the case to the GJ?

Hunter still had final say.

I agree with you allthough there was evidence of two intruders in the basement considering two seperate shoe prints left there.

One print, and it was Burke's.

Pardon me, but most of us RDI's (as you call us) know this case better than Mary Lacy. We don't believe the BS that comes from Smit, Lacy, DeMuth, et al. Some of us have actually had personal dealings with some of the DAs in this case. We know exactly what the evidence is and the level of corruption in Boulder. LE had more than enough evidence to charge them, it was the DAs office that wouldn't prosecute. And they wouldn't prosecute because of the level of corruption and Hunter's personal dealings with the defense lawyers.

You're damn right! MAP--Mutually Assured Protection!

 

[cynpat2000]

I agree with you allthough there was evidence of two intruders in the basement considering two seperate shoe prints left there. I believe perhaps JMK was one of those intruders and the Ramseys are innocent completly. Bad police work can certainly muff up a case, it is shameful.

How can john mark karr possibly be involved? He was in alabama, hundreds of miles away with his family...You are correct about the bad police work , if they had done their job correctly, Patsy would have died in prison and John would be living out his days there.

 

[BBB167893]

You are correct about the bad police work , if they had done their job correctly, Patsy would have died in prison and John would be living out his days there.

Touche!

 

[close_enough]

i just now saw this "nationwide poll"....i clicked mine, but i'm confused...is there just the one question??...i noticed something about it being "question #1"....have i missed something?