The Poll

[close_enough]

How can john mark karr possibly be involved? He was in alabama, hundreds of miles away with his family...You are correct about the bad police work , if they had done their job correctly, Patsy would have died in prison and John would be living out his days there.

lol...ok sorry, but i had to chuckle on this one....JMK????...it's just laughable that someone thinks he's involved now...
love your response cynpat....

 

[Tricia]

lol...ok sorry, but i had to chuckle on this one....JMK????...it's just laughable that someone thinks he's involved now...
love your response cynpat....

Believe it or not, 48 Hours on CBS, just did a full hour on how JMK IS NOT OUT OF THE WOODS..LOL. It was pathetic to say the least.

 

[LisainWV]

I haven't participated in the poll because I just haven't kept up with the case like some folks. There's so much info here about the players, the evidence, the autopsy, family history, and I just haven't read all of it and, quite frankly, I probably never will.

I'm not qualified to participate in the poll and people like me who do participate skew the results, IMO.

 

[BBB167893]

I like an honest person

 

[twinkiesmom]

Question #5 is not worded correctly...premeditated or an accident are not mutually exclusive. If she died in the middle of a sexually motivated assault, the killer may not have intended her to die, yet it's not realistic to call it an accident either.

 

[cynpat2000]

Believe it or not, 48 Hours on CBS, just did a full hour on how JMK IS NOT OUT OF THE WOODS..LOL. It was pathetic to say the least.

That was at least 59 minutes too long to stay on that rediculous topic..:crazy: Karr is no more involved in JonBenets death than the man on the moon.

 

[tezi]

Quote=SuperDave You're damn right! MAP--Mutually Assured Protection!/quote

That's the word I couldn't think of when I was frothing at the mouth the other night.

Tea-you are right, I should have read the post more carefully.

Yes, there is police corruption and people get wrongfully arrested all of the time. But, see in Boulder there is corruption that runs so deep in the DA's office that they won't prosecute a baby killer even if they had a videotape.

We don't know what the grand jury decided to do for sure. We have Hunter's word, and well, he's as believable as JMK, so don't even go there. Hunter, Lacy, DeMuth, and Hofstrom are a disgrace to the legal world. They are nothing but liars. And really helpful to baby killers.

 

[tezi]

A grand jury made up of everyday people did not find all this evidence you speak of. You know why? Because when asked to see and hear this evidence LE couldn't because it only existed in leaks and lies. I suppose you'll tell me next that JR bribed all the GJ's.

No, but I will tell you the GJ was not presented with all the facts and witnesses. You know, the parents of "that child," the ones who weren't even called in front of the GJ? I could also tell you that Steve Thomas never testified either, and he knows more about the case than Looney Lou.

Police lie, leak and distort in order to aquire convictions. If you don't know this then you are not paying attention to how LE operates. Especially when they have DNA results which do not support their theory.

I am going to say this really slowly so you understand. Henry Lee said this wasn't a DNA case, Mary Lacy even said the DNA may be an artifact. The DNA in this case that everyone touts is so degraded that it doesn't have enough markers to hope that CODIS could even remotely come up with a match.

Police don't obtain conviction, prosecutors do. I know very well how LE operates. But, I know even better how the DA's office in Boulder County operates. Call it personal experience, and no I'm not going to share it, just to say that a member of my family was a victim, and I know the lengths that Mary Lacy went to protect the perp of the crime.

 

[4sure]

I am going to say this really slowly so you understand. Henry Lee said this wasn't a DNA case, Mary Lacy even said the DNA may be an artifact. The DNA in this case that everyone touts is so degraded that it doesn't have enough markers to hope that CODIS could even remotely come up with a match.

Police don't obtain conviction, prosecutors do. I know very well how LE operates. But, I know even better how the DA's office in Boulder County operates. Call it personal experience, and no I'm not going to share it, just to say that a member of my family was a victim, and I know the lengths that Mary Lacy went to protect the perp of the crime.

First of all your not talking so no need to speak slowly. If the DA was truley looking for a "patsy" to convict for JBR's death they had one. In fact they had one that confessed on national t.v. All they had to do if they are so dishonest is tell us his DNA matched.

The only crimes I've ever seen HL solve are the bogus ones on his former tv show.

 

[tezi]

First of all your not talking so no need to speak slowly. If the DA was truley looking for a "patsy" to convict for JBR's death they had one. In fact they had one that confessed on national t.v. All they had to do if they are so dishonest is tell us his DNA matched.

The only crimes I've ever seen HL solve are the bogus ones on his former tv show.

Well, they did lie on National TV when John Douglas and numerous other went on and said, oh yeah, he's the guy. He's confessed. Who did he confess to? A professor who has worked as a "consultant" for a TV program while drawing at least 103 grand for CU. And this professor led him down the garden path. I should add that the professor had a little help from Lou Smit, a Ramsey apologist. And after all the publicity all Lacy had was a very questionable confession and no physical proof JMK was in Boulder during the time of JBR's murder. In fact, he was two time zones away in Alabama. Now, I should add where I come from professors don't investigate crimes the police do. Michael Tracey has fingered three wrong suspects thus far. And he won't let go of JMK, because the money train will run out.

And who is HL?

 

[tezi]

I agree with you allthough there was evidence of two intruders in the basement considering two seperate shoe prints left there. I believe perhaps JMK was one of those intruders and the Ramseys are innocent completly. Bad police work can certainly muff up a case, it is shameful.

Help me Jezzuss!!! Am I in a parrallel universe or something?

JMK was in Alabama, two time zones away from Colorado. He has an iron-clad alibi. There was one boot print and it belonged to Burke Ramsey, not an intruder. And the second intruder is just a figment of JMK's imagination, just like his confession.

 

[4sure]

Help me Jezzuss!!! Am I in a parrallel universe or something?

JMK was in Alabama, two time zones away from Colorado. He has an iron-clad alibi. There was one boot print and it belonged to Burke Ramsey, not an intruder. And the second intruder is just a figment of JMK's imagination, just like his confession.

Not that I really think JMK was in that basement but I don't recall him having any "iron clad alibi" . Could you list the source and evidence for this.

 

[tezi]

His wife and other family members place him in Alabama on Christmas 1996. I will have to find the source for that, so give me a little bit please. Real life will be intruding shortly....But, I will find it.

 

[blaize]

Not that I really think JMK was in that basement but I don't recall him having any "iron clad alibi" . Could you list the source and evidence for this.

John Mark Karr is a twisted piece of work but having followed this case for a long time I don't think he was anywhere near Boulder during Christmas of 1996.

From the JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia (with in body links);
(Source)

Possible Alibi for December 25

• Alibi from Ex-Wife. A woman claiming to be his ex-wife denies he was the killer as he was in Alabama with her on the night JBR died. Her lawyer has stated that she now is in the process of checking photos to see if she can establish this claim with greater certainty, but she continues to believe there were no Christmases during this period in which Karr was absent from the family. The woman never found photos of Karr on Christmas Day 1996, although some speculate that's because he was taking the photos of his boys that she did find from that day. The family has produced a thank-you letter from the ex-wife proving she and the boys were there that Christmas, but no explicit mention is made of John Karr in the letter. Karr himself asserted that he was in Hamilton, AL for Xmas but that his wife would be unable to vouch for his whereabouts after that and that he "could have" flown a LearJet to get to Boulder in time.
• Alibi from Father and Half-Brother. The father and half-brother of John Karr confirm they can recall no Christmas since John had his children that he didn't spend Christmas with the family in Alabama or Georgia so there is no way he could have gotten to Boulder without being missed.
• It is reported "So far, there is no paper trail of Karr being in Colorado. Police in Boulder said today that they have no record of ever having contact with him."
• Unknown Jaguar NOT Karr's. A report was made of an "unknown Jaguar seen in the area [of the Ramsey house] during a Christmas party at a friend’s home on Dec. 25.” John Karr was known to have driven a Jaguar, but CrimeRant reports John Karr "owned a 1987 gray Jaguar, with an original title date listed as “6/23/1997,” six months or so after JBR’s murder. The car is described as a 6 cylinder, 4-door sedan … the license plate number on Karr’s Jag was 49AT639. The VIN number listed as SAJAV134XHC475631." Thus, unless Karr owned a different Jaguar, his was not the car seen in Boulder.
• Karr Boulder Visit in 2000. Karr apparently visited Boulder in 2000 or 2001 while traveling with his family and spent most of a day at the Ramsey house; this confirms his obsession with the case and may be the source of his apparent "insider" knowledge. But it does not disprove Karr wasn't also there in 1996.

 

[julianne]

Since this "poll" is open to the public and one does not have to be a member of WS to vote, the chances are very high and probable that people will vote numerous times, and not just once. Both WS members and non-members can vote however many times they like, to slant the results a certain way.

I guess what I'm saying is that in order to make sure that people weren't voting numerous times, it should have only included members or instructed those non-members who wanted to vote to register first. Still isn't foolhardy, but at least that way the poll would be done in a much more controlled manner. As it is now, the probability of slanted and skewed results remains very high. IMO.

 

[tybee204]

Julianne
Staff is monitering the Poll Voting very closely to guard against it being spammed.

 

[tezi]

John Mark Karr is a twisted piece of work but having followed this case for a long time I don't think he was anywhere near Boulder during Christmas of 1996.

From the JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia (with in body links);
(Source)

Possible Alibi for December 25

• Alibi from Ex-Wife. A woman claiming to be his ex-wife denies he was the killer as he was in Alabama with her on the night JBR died. Her lawyer has stated that she now is in the process of checking photos to see if she can establish this claim with greater certainty, but she continues to believe there were no Christmases during this period in which Karr was absent from the family. The woman never found photos of Karr on Christmas Day 1996, although some speculate that's because he was taking the photos of his boys that she did find from that day. The family has produced a thank-you letter from the ex-wife proving she and the boys were there that Christmas, but no explicit mention is made of John Karr in the letter. Karr himself asserted that he was in Hamilton, AL for Xmas but that his wife would be unable to vouch for his whereabouts after that and that he "could have" flown a LearJet to get to Boulder in time.
• Alibi from Father and Half-Brother. The father and half-brother of John Karr confirm they can recall no Christmas since John had his children that he didn't spend Christmas with the family in Alabama or Georgia so there is no way he could have gotten to Boulder without being missed.
• It is reported "So far, there is no paper trail of Karr being in Colorado. Police in Boulder said today that they have no record of ever having contact with him."
• Unknown Jaguar NOT Karr's. A report was made of an "unknown Jaguar seen in the area [of the Ramsey house] during a Christmas party at a friend’s home on Dec. 25.” John Karr was known to have driven a Jaguar, but CrimeRant reports John Karr "owned a 1987 gray Jaguar, with an original title date listed as “6/23/1997,” six months or so after JBR’s murder. The car is described as a 6 cylinder, 4-door sedan … the license plate number on Karr’s Jag was 49AT639. The VIN number listed as SAJAV134XHC475631." Thus, unless Karr owned a different Jaguar, his was not the car seen in Boulder.
• Karr Boulder Visit in 2000. Karr apparently visited Boulder in 2000 or 2001 while traveling with his family and spent most of a day at the Ramsey house; this confirms his obsession with the case and may be the source of his apparent "insider" knowledge. But it does not disprove Karr wasn't also there in 1996.

Thanks Blaize, real life seems to be my rear right now. I guess the word "ironclad" was too strong of a word to use. I guess I should say he has an alibi.


Does he really think we are buying he took a LearJet to Boulder and got back before anyone knew he was missing. Oh, he must be drinking the Kool-Aid again. He's more than a few crayons shy of a box....:hand:

 

[julianne]

I see the poll was shut down for a period of time today because of people voting more than once. IMO, that just verifies that the results aren't going to be true, unslanted or unbiased results because Joe & Jane Schmo want to vote umpteen times to slant the results to their own beliefs.

 

[4sure]

. I guess the word "ironclad" was too strong of a word to use. I guess I should say he has an alibi.


:hand:

Way too strong. In fact he himself has no alibi. A man who confesses to a crime does not require an alibi. His family said they were sure they had pictures and video of him from christmas 1996. As far as I recall they never came up with these pictures and videos and JMK was released only because of the DNA results. Depending on what you believe about DNA in this case I guess that clears him or maybe it does not.

 

[blaize]

Thanks Blaize, real life seems to be my rear right now. I guess the word "ironclad" was too strong of a word to use. I guess I should say he has an alibi.


Does he really think we are buying he took a LearJet to Boulder and got back before anyone knew he was missing. Oh, he must be drinking the Kool-Aid again. He's more than a few crayons shy of a box....:hand:

The most awful thing abut John Mark Karr is not just that he's a self-confessed paedophile but that he was clever enough to insinuate himself into this case to the detriment of it ever being solved.
He's a nutjob who has no moral scruples about hijacking the investigation for his own benefit. What's really appalling is that so many people like Mary Lacy & Michael Treacy who should have known better & had the rigorous professional & intellectual skepticism necessary to smell a rat where this guy's claim were concerned didn't and decided to jump on the media bandwagon.