The Pontiac - "Revisted" #1

[BeanE]

There was some major sleuthing on this, and the results are in the stickies analysis forum. I'm sorry I don't remember the name of the thread. If you PM BondJamesBond or JWG I think they could point you to it.

In a nutshell, Tony was leaving to go out of town and wanted KC to drive him to the airport. He did not want her to use his car while he was gone, so she would have had to drive him in her car... with Caylee's body and the associated smell in the trunk.

KC couldn't let that happen. She needed an excuse not to drive Tony in her car. So she 'ran out of gas' at the Amscot and further built the story that the car wasn't functioning, George was taking it to get repaired, etc.

Many more details are available in that thread. It's a fine piece of sleuthing.

 

[akashana]

I've often wondered why she didn't take it somewhere and set it afire to destroy the decomp and other evidence. If I were a murderer, I would want to destroy any and everything that could tie me to the crime. But KC wan't big on long range planning obviously.

 

[brownflower]

oddly the car was never called in either as missing....what she can't explain away-----31 days.....

True that. Perhaps she was waiting to see what happened to the car. Perhaps she was waiting for her mother or father to contact her and tell her the car was missing.

Like Ms. Heather said, she left her purse in the car hoping someone would steal it. Then those people could be prime suspects as well. Her story could have been completely different then.

The following is MOO of what could have been Casey's story if the car was stolen:

Casey: "I was at the park and some guy who told me his name was Zaniedo C. Gonzalez grabbed Caylee, grabbed my purse and stole my car. Before he drove off he told me that he would return my child to me at the same spot after 55 days if I passed his tests of bravery. His demands were: first, I had to steal checks from my best friend and deplete her bank account. Second, I had to go out and party like nothing happend. He also told me if I contacted the police for any reason, my family and child would be harmed. If I did what he told me to do, I would learn a valuable lesson.":banghead:

But seriously folks, is there anything in any of the transcripts where she states why she never went back for her car?

 

[brownflower]

There was some major sleuthing on this, and the results are in the stickies analysis forum. I'm sorry I don't remember the name of the thread. If you PM BondJamesBond or JWG I think they could point you to it.

In a nutshell, Tony was leaving to go out of town and wanted KC to drive him to the airport. He did not want her to use his car while he was gone, so she would have had to drive him in her car... with Caylee's body and the associated smell in the trunk.

KC couldn't let that happen. She needed an excuse not to drive Tony in her car. So she 'ran out of gas' at the Amscot and further built the story that the car wasn't functioning, George was taking it to get repaired, etc.

Many more details are available in that thread. It's a fine piece of sleuthing.

Thank you for the info. Still the car was dumped. She never went to retrieve it. She never called George to let him know the car was having "mechanical problems"

And why didn't she get the car detailed? IMO she had plenty of money available when she got a hold of Amy's checks.

 

[AmyMB]

Long time lurker..First time I felt I could contribute a good decent thought. The jailhouse interview it is asked by CA"why didn't she come back for the car?" Her reply was "I don't know mom". Then it is left alone. She IMO is telling them that she abandoned that car because Z told her to,it was part of the script. She had to lie to everyone else because she was in fear for their lives.,or whatever she tells them. Yeah? May be I am way off...just had to jump in somewhere and thought this may be good. Of course we all get it, but this may be what they are using.

 

[zoey]

There was some major sleuthing on this, and the results are in the stickies analysis forum. I'm sorry I don't remember the name of the thread. If you PM BondJamesBond or JWG I think they could point you to it.

In a nutshell, Tony was leaving to go out of town and wanted KC to drive him to the airport. He did not want her to use his car while he was gone, so she would have had to drive him in her car... with Caylee's body and the associated smell in the trunk.

KC couldn't let that happen. She needed an excuse not to drive Tony in her car. So she 'ran out of gas' at the Amscot and further built the story that the car wasn't functioning, George was taking it to get repaired, etc.

Many more details are available in that thread. It's a fine piece of sleuthing.

That really makes some sense there in ??????? :banghead::hand: thing.....I've often wondered why and how she obtained the keys to tonE's car when he didn't want her driving it around.....NOW IT MAKES SOME SENSE!!!! thanks.....

 

[brownflower]

Long time lurker..First time I felt I could contribute a good decent thought. The jailhouse interview it is asked by CA"why didn't she come back for the car?" Her reply was "I don't know mom". Then it is left alone. She IMO is telling them that she abandoned that car because Z told her to,it was part of the script. She had to lie to everyone else because she was in fear for their lives.,or whatever she tells them. Yeah? May be I am way off...just had to jump in somewhere and thought this may be good. Of course we all get it, but this may be what they are using.

Thanks for contributing! She just said "I don't know?" When she mentioned that she conducted her own search for Z by going to nightclubs that Z frequented she never mentioned the car. She didn't get that in the records either.

Bottom line, IMO she was hoping someone would steal that car. If someone stole the car it would be highly unlikely that they would report to the police, "uh 911, I just stole this car and there's something wrong with it. Uh huh, it smells like there's been a dead body in the trunk."

 

[steadychick]

There was some major sleuthing on this, and the results are in the stickies analysis forum. I'm sorry I don't remember the name of the thread. If you PM BondJamesBond or JWG I think they could point you to it.

In a nutshell, Tony was leaving to go out of town and wanted KC to drive him to the airport. He did not want her to use his car while he was gone, so she would have had to drive him in her car... with Caylee's body and the associated smell in the trunk.

KC couldn't let that happen. She needed an excuse not to drive Tony in her car. So she 'ran out of gas' at the Amscot and further built the story that the car wasn't functioning, George was taking it to get repaired, etc.

Many more details are available in that thread. It's a fine piece of sleuthing.

Oh My, I never thought about it this way. She certainly couldn't have kept that smelly car around for Tony to get a whiff of. This explains the pings that show her driving around and around (trying to run out of gas?) before calling Tony to pick her up. But why even go through the motions of trying to locate a gas can, unless she was hoping the car would be gone when she went to pick it up. And I'd forgotten that she lied about the gas indicator being broken -- didn't LE check that out and found that it worked just fine?

That smell must have really thrown a monkey wrench in her plans. What was she planning to do with no car -- how was she going to get to "work"? I know, I know, KC doesn't plan.

 

[Rumpole]

Thanks for contributing! She just said "I don't know?" When she mentioned that she conducted her own search for Z by going to nightclubs that Z frequented she never mentioned the car. She didn't get that in the records either.

Bottom line, IMO she was hoping someone would steal that car. If someone stole the car it would be highly unlikely that they would report to the police, "uh 911, I just stole this car and there's something wrong with it. Uh huh, it smells like there's been a dead body in the trunk."

The facts show that KC did not abandon the car. She set about talking Amy into buying a gas can (described in latest documents). Amy and KC actually bought the can on 30th July but were just too late to retrieve the car before it was towed from Amscot. KC DID NOT abandon the car because she tried to retrieve it?

 

[PattyCake]

Long time lurker..First time I felt I could contribute a good decent thought. The jailhouse interview it is asked by CA"why didn't she come back for the car?" Her reply was "I don't know mom". Then it is left alone. She IMO is telling them that she abandoned that car because Z told her to,it was part of the script. She had to lie to everyone else because she was in fear for their lives.,or whatever she tells them. Yeah? May be I am way off...just had to jump in somewhere and thought this may be good. Of course we all get it, but this may be what they are using.

Welcome long time lurker. I was a very long lurker before I felt I could contribute. Now no one can shut me up. lol

Interesting thought AmyMB - you should post more.

 

[steadychick]

The facts show that KC did not abandon the car. She set about talking Amy into buying a gas can (described in latest documents). Amy and KC actually bought the can on 30th July but were just too late to retrieve the car before it was towed from Amscot. KC DID NOT abandon the car because she tried to retrieve it?

But if I remember right, there is no indication that KC or Amy ever put gas in that can or actually went to retrieve the car. And no statement from anyone that the car was gone when they went to pick it up. If KC or her friends knew that the car was gone, wouldn't someone have said so and/or called and reported it stolen?

 

[Hot Dogs]

Not only did she leave the car she left her purse in it. I think she was hoping it would get stolen.

I thought we learned that she didn't leave her purse in the car. The "black leather bag" was a (empty) CD holder type bag.

 

[brownflower]

Oh My, I never thought about it this way. She certainly couldn't have kept that smelly car around for Tony to get a whiff of. This explains the pings that show her driving around and around (trying to run out of gas?) before calling Tony to pick her up. But why even go through the motions of trying to locate a gas can, unless she was hoping the car would be gone when she went to pick it up. And I'd forgotten that she lied about the gas indicator being broken -- didn't LE check that out and found that it worked just fine?

That smell must have really thrown a monkey wrench in her plans. What was she planning to do with no car -- how was she going to get to "work"? I know, I know, KC doesn't plan.

IMO she went through the motions of trying to locate a gas can to cover her you know what! I feel this way because she didn't persist until she got gas for her car. If she really wanted that car back, she would have gotten it back.

 

[LancelotLink]

I've said the same thing. Not only did she leave the car she left her purse in it. I think she was hoping it would get stolen.

The night she got rid of the car at Amscot, she was texting Amy telling her she got rid of the dead animal smell that was plastered to her car. Thats very very telling to me.

The purse. This is kind of O/T , but I recall Cindy during the LE interview. Yuri set her purse up onto the table so she would not forget it and she replied, "Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places." Does anyone remember that? I thought how odd that statement unless you are trying so hard to plant the Jesse seed of guilt.

 

[steadychick]

The car was towed on June 30. June 30 to July 15 -- she had to know it was gone, did not try to find it, did not call and report it stolen, and led her friends to believe that George was taking care of it and having it fixed. Nope, sorry, but I don't think this shows she was trying to retrieve it.

 

[brownflower]

The facts show that KC did not abandon the car. She set about talking Amy into buying a gas can (described in latest documents). Amy and KC actually bought the can on 30th July but were just too late to retrieve the car before it was towed from Amscot. KC DID NOT abandon the car because she tried to retrieve it?

Good point but, how come she tried to retreive it on the day it was towed? Did she know the car was towed? Did she check the parking lot periodically to see if the car was still there? And again. She had access to money way before the 30th. She had stolen those checks from Amy and was using them as early as July 7th. Why wait until the 30th when the car was towed away to suddenly get a gas for the car?

 

[Jess1985]

"uh 911, I just stole this car and there's something wrong with it. Uh huh, it smells like there's been a dead body in the trunk."

You just made my night :clap:

 

[AmyMB]

Thank you. Now it may say I joined in Feb 2009, I have been here from the start. I finally have a normal email address. It may be a good thing,since my thoughts were not so interesting when this all started. I am still very upset about this whole case,just a little more focused. I have felt allot of emotions reading all of the posts,and actually had one lady in Florida I would follow. She was digging around by the school. I haven't noticed much from her lately and hope this case didn't pull her down too low.Okay don't want to get in trouble going OT. Back to the car...

 

[Rumpole]

Good point but, how come she tried to retreive it on the day it was towed? Did she know the car was towed? Did she check the parking lot periodically to see if the car was still there? And again. She had access to money way before the 30th. She had stolen those checks from Amy and was using them as early as July 7th. Why wait until the 30th when the car was towed away to suddenly get a gas for the car?

IIR KC took a while to convince Amy to buy a gas can, so she was trying before it was towed. Also speculation that KC returned to Anthony home possibly to steal gas again on 29th? I think it took KC a while to organise getting gas from 27th to 30th.

 

[steadychick]

Good point but, how come she tried to retreive it on the day it was towed? Did she know the car was towed? Did she check the parking lot periodically to see if the car was still there? And again. She had access to money way before the 30th. She had stolen those checks from Amy and was using them as early as July 7th. Why wait until the 30th when the car was towed away to suddenly get a gas for the car?

Is there anything to indicate that she actually did try to retrieve it????? Did she or Amy ever fill that gas can???? I don't recall where I saw it, but I don't think they did. Does anyone remember where anyone stated that they filled the gas can and tried to get the car and found it was gone?