Just wanted to point out that I think Dr. Hutt's profile is up there with Douglas' one for being fairly neutral. While there's points that very well may match various members of the '3', there's points which really do not match closely, also. I don't think I'm seeing a profile obviously skewed toward any particular suspect, and this is awesome.
The problem with profilers...
- Thread starter Ausgirl
- Start date
Compassionate Reader
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Oct 27, 2010
- Messages
- 2,357
- Reaction score
- 141
What parts of Hutt's profile do you see as pointing to Damien, Jason and Jessie?
I think Pat Brown had a pretty good profile and it hasn't changed that I know of.
The crimes were committed by more than one person.
The offenders lived nearby the crime scene.
The boys were targeted because they were easy to access and control.
The boys were probably followed and conned or lured into the woods.
The boys were overpowered by larger assailants and the crime was committed at the scene, most likely in the water during the waning daylight hours.
The crime was planned but not in the sense that it would necessarily end with homicide. Like wilding, crimes involving groups of young teens often end extremely violently.
Nothing but a knife or two was brought with the offenders nor was anything but the weapons taken away. This shows lack of maturity or criminal experience.
The offenders did not attempt to get rid of the evidence. The water was a lucky break.
The crime was violent and was a show of power. Essentially, it was a thrill crime.
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/03/dont-free-west-memphis-three.html
The crimes were committed by more than one person.
The offenders lived nearby the crime scene.
The boys were targeted because they were easy to access and control.
The boys were probably followed and conned or lured into the woods.
The boys were overpowered by larger assailants and the crime was committed at the scene, most likely in the water during the waning daylight hours.
The crime was planned but not in the sense that it would necessarily end with homicide. Like wilding, crimes involving groups of young teens often end extremely violently.
Nothing but a knife or two was brought with the offenders nor was anything but the weapons taken away. This shows lack of maturity or criminal experience.
The offenders did not attempt to get rid of the evidence. The water was a lucky break.
The crime was violent and was a show of power. Essentially, it was a thrill crime.
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/03/dont-free-west-memphis-three.html
Patty Brown's effort is a fair enough -opinion- but it's a flawed and therefore useless -profile- and a somewhat disappointing effort from somebody who calls themselves professional, for several reasons:
1. It's profoundly skewed toward a predetermined and -preferred- set of suspects, and..
.. actually, that's all I really need to say on it.
1. It's profoundly skewed toward a predetermined and -preferred- set of suspects, and..
.. actually, that's all I really need to say on it.
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
For me, she does seem to have some very good points and I don't think her opinion has changed.
primitivefuture
New Member
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2013
- Messages
- 285
- Reaction score
- 7
This doesn't qualify as a profile. It's a theory of the crime, clearly written with Jason, Damien and Jessie in mind.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Well. I don't them 'pointing' to the 3, per se. Just some elements that might fit one or another of them. Here's those elements (paraphrased):
- low paying job
- low end of intelligence scale
- criminal record, minor violations
- knew at least one of the boys
- knew the area was a popular hangout for kids
Which fits .. a cubic ton of West Memphis residents too. And leaves about half the profile NOT fitting any of the WM3, really.
I actually think Hutt's comment indicate a predatory child molester.
primitivefuture
New Member
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2013
- Messages
- 285
- Reaction score
- 7
Did any of them know the boys? Am i blanking out? I know jessie made a comment about a briefcase containing a photo of the boys along with a couple of guns and cocaine, but I don't believe that for a minute. I just done remember that any of them knew the boys. Can you refresh my memory?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I -may- just be somewhat stir crazy (I am presently stuck indoors with this damn sore back while summer is finally kicking in here and there's so much to do, aaahhh!!! lol, anyway..), PF.. but I was SURE one of the accused knew one of the boys a little bit, maybe just to look at..? There IS a document where that's mentioned, I am sure of it.
But can I find it right now? Hell no. :no:
ps, i meant - "don't 'see' them" in my former post, not "don't them", damn pain meds
But can I find it right now? Hell no. :no:
ps, i meant - "don't 'see' them" in my former post, not "don't them", damn pain meds
BBM
I remember that Jessie knew Hutcheson (she bought him the Evan Williams) and she is the mother of Aaron (who was a friend to the boys).
So, I would say that Misskelley knew the boys through Vickie Hutcheson/Aaron.
That brings me back to the confession that Misskelley gave in the police car on the way to prison when he said that he had been 'tricked into doing this'.
Was he tricked by Echols/Baldwin into getting the boys/luring them?
primitivefuture
New Member
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2013
- Messages
- 285
- Reaction score
- 7
That's only an assumption. There's no proof of that link. "A knew B and B knew C, therefore A knew C." Comes nowhere near proving that Jessie, Damien or Jason knew them.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Let me ask you this. Remember the Evans Williams whiskey? None of the three were old enough to buy it.
Who bought it for him/them?
How did Vickie meet Damien? Was she introduced to him or did she already know him?
At least try to answer those.
Cappuccino
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2011
- Messages
- 3,976
- Reaction score
- 3,226
We all know Jessie knew Vicky Hutcheson, you're not telling us anything new there.
Primitivefuture has already pointed out the lack of logic in your assumption that Jessie knew any of the three victims.
Primitivefuture has already pointed out the lack of logic in your assumption that Jessie knew any of the three victims.
primitivefuture
New Member
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2013
- Messages
- 285
- Reaction score
- 7
Yes. The question is not whether Jessie knew Vicki. He spent the night at her house the night before he was arrested. I don't doubt he knew Aaron. I think we can agree that the fact that Jessie knew Aaron does nothing to prove that he knew Christopher, Stevie and/or Michael.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
What about Vicky's son? Wasn't he playmates, cub scouts, and school mates with those boys?
One witness spotted 4 boys that day, he could be one of them considering that Vicky is the one who bought the booze for Misskelley.
MARK- LOOKED MAYBE TO BE, I'M GOING TO SAY 22, 23. BUT HE SAID HE SAW 4 PEOPLE.
RIDGE- OKAY, UH, WHO WOULD BE CHRIS'S CLOSEST FRIEND?
MARK- THAT HE PLAYED WITH?
RIDGE- YEAH.
MARK- HIS CLOSEST FRIEND. I'D SAY THE CLOSEST FRIEND THAT HE PLAYED WITH WOULD BE STEVE AND THEN THIS LITTLE BOY NAMED AARRON BEFORE THEY MOVED TO MARION. THAT WAS THE ABANDONED HOUSE I CHECKED. WHERE...
RIDGE- DO YOU KNOW AARRON'S LAST NAME?
MARK- NO SIR. BUT, I CAN TELL YOU THE HOUSE. WHERE I LIVE, YOU GOT WILSON RIGHT HERE...
RIDGE- UH HUH.
MARK- THEN YOU GOT A CORNER HOUSE THAT'S GOT A BRICK FENCE AROUND IT, THEN YOU GOT ANOTHER HOUSE RIGHT BESIDE IT. WELL THEY LIVED IN THAT SECOND HOUSE. AND I REMEMBERED IT HAD A STORAGE BUILDING OUT BACK. SO I RAN DOWN THERE AND LOOKED IN THAT STORAGE BUILDING THINKING MAYBE THEY WERE HIDING BACK THERE. BUT I COULD TELL THE GRASS WAS REAL TALL. I COULD TELL HADN'T NOBODY WALKED THROUGH THERE AND THERE WASN'T NO PAPER. THE STORAGE ROOM WASN'T MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS ROOM. AND IT WAS ALL CLEANED OUT, SO I KNEW THEY WEREN'T DOWN THERE. BUT AARRON WAS A REAL GOOD FRIEND OF HIS THAT HE PLAYED WITH BEFORE THEY MOVED. I THINK THEY SAID TO MARION.
RIDGE- WAS HE IN THIS CUB SCOUTS?
MARK- CHRISTOPHER WAS IN THE CUB SCOUT DEAL...
RIDGE- I MEANT AARRON.
MARK- I DON'T KNOW. CHRISTOPHER HADN'T GONE BUT TO ONE MEETING UP AT THE CHURCH. AND IT WAS ONLY BECUASE IT'S THE ONLY MEETING WE KNEW ABOUT. HE WOULD GET A NOTE AT SCHOOL THAT A MEETING WOULD BE TODAY. AND THEN TWO OR THREE DAYS LATER, WE'D FIND IT IN HIS BACKPACK. NOW, HE KNEW WE'D TAKE HIM THEM. I DON'T THINK HE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY. I DON'T THINK HE WAS AS INTERESTED IN IT AS MICHAEL AND STEVIE WAS. HE WAS IN IT, BUT HE DIDN'T, IT WASN'T LIKE, I WANT TO GO, I WANT TO GO. GET ME A UNIFORM. HE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT MOTIVATION ABOUT IT TO ME.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmb1.html
primitivefuture
New Member
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2013
- Messages
- 285
- Reaction score
- 7
Still, that does nothing to prove that Jason, Damien and Jessie knew any of the the three boys. Vicki has said that Jessie and Aaron knew each other. I am not questioning that Jessie knew him. Still, Jessie knowing Aaron is in no way the same thing as Jessie knowing any of the three murdered boys.
I have a niece, nephew and three young cousins all between the ages of 3 and 11. I don't recall meeting any of their friends, yet I know my niece, nephew and cousins quite well.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Cappuccino
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2011
- Messages
- 3,976
- Reaction score
- 3,226
Well, UdbCrzy2 - you've demonstrated the lapse of logic in your own posts above. As primitivefuture pointed out, just because A knows B and B knows C, it doesn't follow that A knows C.
You've illustrated that nicely by demonstrating that John Mark Byers knew Aaron Hutchinson, and as we all know Aaron Hutchinson knew Jessie Misskelley. And we also know that John Mark Byers did not know Jessie Misskelley.
You've illustrated that nicely by demonstrating that John Mark Byers knew Aaron Hutchinson, and as we all know Aaron Hutchinson knew Jessie Misskelley. And we also know that John Mark Byers did not know Jessie Misskelley.
BBM
I never said Byers knew Misskelley, but he may have, but I'm not saying he did I don't know what John is talking about.
1.) Misskelley knew Aaron who was friends with the boys.
2.) Misskelley got booze from Aaron's mother the day the boys went missing.
3.) Misskelley said in the patrol car that 'they tricked me'. He meant Jason and Echols tricked him into luring the boys because he knew one of them which was Aaron.
I think Aaron was traumatized during this interview and he was eight years old. He knew alot of things about this crime. I think it's a very good possibility that he did see some things. This makes more sense to me than what I've seen before.
Omg, I've derailed my own thread.
Not to contribute to further derailing (there IS a thread for Vicki....) but I'm sorry for saying something w/o back up. I was -sure- that one of the 3 said in one interview or another that they knew one of the victims to look at, or something. Stuff like this, I should know. I apologise for throwing it out there lost and alone and perhaps not factual.
Sorry. :blushing:
Not to contribute to further derailing (there IS a thread for Vicki....) but I'm sorry for saying something w/o back up. I was -sure- that one of the 3 said in one interview or another that they knew one of the victims to look at, or something. Stuff like this, I should know. I apologise for throwing it out there lost and alone and perhaps not factual.
Sorry. :blushing:
Staff online
-
TriciaManager Websleuths.com
Online statistics
- Members online
- 181
- Guests online
- 517
- Total visitors
- 698