The Ramseys are Cleared

[wenchie]

Well, I questioned this at first too. But, Fran pointed out to me that we have come a long way in forensics. This is a NEW test.

Right. Because it was such a tiny, tiny amount. It is "touch" DNA - skin cells from a person touching something.

How could the perp have touched JUST the tights/panties and nothing else on Jonbenet's body or clothes.........or the weapon/garotte.........or the rest of the house?

 

[LI_Mom]

But the fact is that the handwriting is definitely connected to the crime, where there's no proof that the DNA is.

It could even be some DNA that Patsy picked up under her fingernails while shopping and then transferred to her daughter.

Exactly!

The dna evidence in this case is little more than grasping at straws.

 

[Skigwy]

Why isn't John Ramsey mad? Why isn't he talking about whoever did this horrible thing to his daughter? Why is he only talking about how poor John and Patsy were crucified? They've always talked more about themselves and what sacrificial lambs they've become...........much more than they ever talked about their daughter.

Well, I've heard him speak of that. Can't say exactly when, sorry. However, maybe it's because everything they say gets twisted. I'd stop talking too.

The kind things John Ramsey had to say about John Karr (who Ramsey KNEW had fantasized about molesting and killing JonBenet) tells everything about J Ramsey.

 

[TexMex]

TexMex I would encourage you to learn about "Touch DNA." This is what I know so far and I just read about it.

This DNA test is so sensitive that it picks up on DEGRADED SKIN CELLS. EVen one degraded skin cell. Microscopic and degraded skin cell.

We are not talking flesh, we are not talking blood, we are not talking about any sort of lump of anything. Microscopic skin cell. One can be picked up by this test.

This is so stupid. Lacy is a disgrace. Trust me when I tell you she is considered an idiot inside and outside her office. By pretty much everyone.

I'm all ears, Miss Tricia.

Lacy aside....it doesn't make the scientists at the lab "idiots".

The scientist who tested it is on Nancy Grace tonight.

The DNA from the underwear was some sort of secretions mixed with blood (JonBenet's).

The DNA from three different places on her clothing are from skin cells and match that from the underwear.

I do appreciate this forum where we are allowed to discuss and disagree.

 

[T-Rex]

On the face of it, this is a big deal. But I'm waiting for it to fall apart the way John Mark Karr did, when the details come out.
My guess is the "Touch" sample had very, very few DNA markers--just too few to prove it didn't come from the same source.

 

[MrsMush99]

I am not stating that Patsy transferred the DNA. I am saying the long johns and the underwear were tightly together therefore transference is a very good possibility.

Remember, this is the new space age super sensitive DNA test. It literally means you touch something and leave ONE SKIN CELL and it can be detected.

I would love to take every one's clothes and run this DNA test on them. You would find all kinds of matching DNA skin cells all over the place.

L

I've always come to this case with an open mind. But this SAME DNA was in 3 separate places, not 1 or 2. AND it was IN her panties. I'm sorry you feel this is no big deal and Mary Lacy just blowing smoke out her you know what, but this is important IMO. It's DNA for cripes sake. How can anyone argue with DNA??? And then we ask how did it get there? I'm telling you someone actually said a factory worker or a teacher or a student. INSIDE her underwear? I don't think so. And like someone else mentioned, if this were any other case everyone would be all over it. Not here though. Which if fine. I come to this forum knowing the majority will disagree with me. It's all good.

 

[Pepper]

Right. Because it was such a tiny, tiny amount. It is "touch" DNA - skin cells from a person touching something.

How could the perp have touched JUST the tights/panties and nothing else on Jonbenet's body or clothes.........or the weapon/garotte.........or the rest of the house?

Maybe they didn't swab the entire house, or because they were looking for fingerprints on the garotte, it might not have been suitable for this DNA test. I did read that this same DNA was found on two other places on her body and/or clothing.

I have stayed away from this forum because I felt there was nothing new to discuss. But this new development is VERY interesting. FWIW I have been a believer in the intruder theory almost from the beginning. I just HOPE they can match this DNA with someone.

 

[TexMex]

TexMex,

There is NO BLOOD DNA.

My bad, it was some sort of secretions (not sperm) such as saliva.

The blood was JonBenet's right?

 

[RiverRat]

I'm sorry RR I can't do a transcript. Will they have one available after the show on the Headline News site? This is incredible! Everyone should be watching this!

I'm sorry! I didn't mean for that to sound like a demand for you to do, just that we need our hands on it as soon as it is transcribed. I'm just praying that Wendy had a slow schedule this week so that she can make the rounds and keep the Truth out there!

 

[wenchie]

This same intruder who left "touch" DNA managed to crawl through a broken basement window without leaving one spot of "touch" DNA, one hair, or one clothing fiber?


Impossible, I say..................

 

[MrsMush99]

The kind things John Ramsey had to say about John Karr (who Ramsey KNEW had fantasized about molesting and killing JonBenet) tells everything about J Ramsey.

I completely disagree. I don't think he said anything KIND I just think he wasn't calling for his death and people didn't like that.

ETA: I also think he was being cautious because he KNOWS what it's like to be falsely accused.

 

[Wudge]

HELL YES I WOULD. Wudge, I am not "claiming" anything. I am stating fact.

I asked what you would claim on TV, because I suspect that you might be asked to appear on TV. If so, I think the Duke Lacrosse case might well be worth a review.

 

[Credence]

Why isn't John Ramsey mad? Why isn't he talking about whoever did this horrible thing to his daughter? Why is he only talking about how poor John and Patsy were crucified? They've always talked more about themselves and what sacrificial lambs they've become...........much more than they ever talked about their daughter.

But don't you think the media put them in that position? They were never allowed to grieve for Jonbenet properly; only in private.

 

[trixie]

I guess I misunderstood, based on how many times he had to tell her and what seemed to me a lame follow-up on her part. No need to be condescending.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound condescending.

 

[angelwngs]

I'm all ears, Miss Tricia.

Lacy aside....it doesn't make the scientists at the lab "idiots".

The scientist who tested it is on Nancy Grace tonight.

The DNA from the underwear was some sort of secretions mixed with blood (JonBenet's).

The DNA from three different places on her clothing are from skin cells and match that from the underwear.

I do appreciate this forum where we are allowed to discuss and disagree.

Did anyone by chance catch the 20/20 or 60 minutes show a couple of weeks ago, (I can't remember which it was), which was basically about companies/labs which do DNA testing for genealogical research?

I only caught a portion of the show, but it was my opinion that they were strongly suggesting that for every company who tested the same DNA sample, the results varied in equal numbers as to the number of labs doing the testing.

In other words, DNA testing is as accurate as the person conducting the test chooses for it to be...

 

[lilywhite]

My bad, it was some sort of secretions (not sperm) such as saliva.

The blood was JonBenet's right?

Can someone please explain for those of us (me) who really have a tough time understanding DNA and the ways in which it can be contaminated, what is the explanation for strange DNA in her panties if the Ramseys did it? That's not quite what I mean; I get how foreign DNA could be present. But how do you know if it's blood or saliva or semen or skin cell DNA? And how do we know which one it was? And does it being found mingled with JonBenet's blood make any of this harder or easier to determine? Just a brief evidentiary recap for people who can't quite put it together (again, me).

 

[lilywhite]

My bad, it was some sort of secretions (not sperm) such as saliva.

The blood was JonBenet's right?

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound condescending.

I'll try to be less sensitive.

Wow, the quote feature really is wonky here tonight.

 

[TexMex]

This same intruder who left "touch" DNA managed to crawl through a broken basement window without leaving one spot of "touch" DNA, one hair, or one clothing fiber?


Impossible, I say..................

Hi again wenchie

It's happened before.....maybe he wore gloves until he wanted to sexually touch his victim.....and put them back on afterward.

 

[LI_Mom]

Touch DNA

pdf format:

www.cops.usdoj.gov/mime/open.pdf?Item=1807


same thing in HTML format:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...na"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This same intruder who left "touch" DNA managed to crawl through a broken basement window without leaving one spot of "touch" DNA, one hair, or one clothing fiber?


Impossible, I say..................

Who knows....I think the entire investigation was botched.

They only turned over the long underpants of JBs to be tested.

They certainly need to start from scratch now imo. No telling what they missed that was right under their noses all along.

New technology will solve this crime one day imo.

imoo