The Ramseys are Cleared

[Grainne Dhu]

So what are the odds this DNA is similar in 3 places on her longjohns? Probably more significant then finding them on her outer clothing. The consenes was by my group, THIS IS HUGE. Is the statement then accurate or too bold for Lacy to say the parents are vindicated? The group here thinks there was a third party in that house. I'm stunned.

I have a friend who is a federal prosecutor--he said that if the info in the media is true, he would exonerate the Ramseys. To the point where if he had been preparing a case against them, he'd drop the preparations, close the case against them and direct investigators to bring him the real perp(s).

I'm horrified that Patsy Ramsey died before this came out. And horrified again at how the media has treated the Ramseys.

 

[Medea]

From RockyMountainNews.com

Four red acrylic fibers found on the duct tape that covered the child's mouth were consistent with fibers from a blazer worn by Patsy Ramsey on Christmas, Thomas wrote. Detectives also wanted a search warrant for a pair of fur boots Patsy Ramsey was seen wearing that night because the FBI lab identified a possible beaver hair on the tape, but prosecutors never approved the warrant.

Interesting. Hard to find evidence when you won't look for it.

 

[LinasK]

I have a friend who is a federal prosecutor--he said that if the info in the media is true, he would exonerate the Ramseys. To the point where if he had been preparing a case against them, he'd drop the preparations, close the case against them and direct investigators to bring him the real perp(s).

I'm horrified that Patsy Ramsey died before this came out. And horrified again at how the media has treated the Ramseys.

And your prosecutor friend is going on hearsay evidence without examining all the facts in the case, so it's meaningless...

I'm horrified that Patsy died without going to jail first, she should have died in jail!:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

 

[angelwngs]

From RockyMountainNews.com

Four red acrylic fibers found on the duct tape that covered the child's mouth were consistent with fibers from a blazer worn by Patsy Ramsey on Christmas, Thomas wrote. Detectives also wanted a search warrant for a pair of fur boots Patsy Ramsey was seen wearing that night because the FBI lab identified a possible beaver hair on the tape, but prosecutors never approved the warrant.

Thank You, LI Mom! :blowkiss:

 

[LI_Mom]

Thanks.

So, I guess to say it another way then, unless the DNA pops up at some future time on the database that the case is closed. If all of these potential 'suspects' already gave their DNA, then I can't see where any investigation can go. Just a waiting game, or a fake waiting game.

Without an exact match... this case will NEVER be solved.

Between the botched crime scene AND the Ramsey's game playing.... it's easy to understand why Alex Hunter wouldn't be able to make a case.

 

[LI_Mom]

Thank You, LI Mom! :blowkiss:

You're very welcome... these are all such good questions & goodness knows after all this time we forgot so many details.


That's why it makes me laugh to think that Lacy did the Ramsey any favor by helping us remember exactly WHY it's impossible for millions of people (his peers) to exclude the family.


With friends like Lacy, you don't need enemies.

 

[coloradokares]

Yes it MUST belong to the killah because GAWD FORBID it could belong to someone who handled the body WHEN she was sent to the morgue. Not that they bothered testing their own morgue attendees to rule them out...

Mary Lacy is a prime example of what a true PROSECUTOR is NOT!

How many thousands of taxpayers dollars did she waste to bring in John Mark Karr because she listened to Mr Excuse Michael Tracey?

Lets clarify the long johns never were sent anywhere for further testing THE RESULTS on the skin cells touch test were sent. Now Frankly I am more skeptical than ever before How do you prove everything that ever touched those tights If everything was tested then where are Patsys skin cells as supposedly she dressed JonBenet in those tights?!?!?!?!

 

[RiverRat]

why would cherokee's research persuade us one way or another. he is not a handwriting expert and his research is merely opinion. it is also biased because he knew the case before examining the handwriting thus possibly swaying his opinion

Why would we value someone's opinion when they can't even figure out how to use the Cap button?

 

[kcksum]

And then there are people like you who defend child sexual abusers (Rams), child murderers (Rams), wife killers (Peterson1)and those who kill their pregnant wifes and unborn babies (Peterson2).

How do THOSE people sleep at night????

I sleep because I am not thoughtless and niave enough to believe that I can call someone a child molester and murderer without even meeting them or attending a trial in which they were convicted in a court of law. how dare you place that label on someone who has never been even charged with such crimes. that is what should keep you from sleeping at night....your own harsh rush to judgement when you don't even begin to have all of the evidence. that's careless stupidity in my mind.

 

[kcksum]

Why would we value someone's opinion when they can't even figure out how to use the Cap button?

just the type of sarcasm one needs when their 10 yr old life's work is slowly spinning down the drain when they know they're wrong. its ok i feel your pain....really.

 

[lilywhite]

But then, of course, you refuse to accept or even consider that competent evidence when it is clearly laid out for you.

You excuse it, twist it, work on far-out "alternate theories" for it,

I think it's safe to say most IDIs feel this way about how RDIs weigh evidence, too. I think everyone just disagrees on what competent evidence is and how it should be interpreted.

 

[jubie]

Why would we value someone's opinion when they can't even figure out how to use the Cap button?

No kidding. A typo now and then we all have to admit to but when I see a poster who overall can't spell or articulate a thought very well I tend to just skim over their posts in the future.

 

[Medea]

I sleep because I am not thoughtless and niave enough to believe that I can call someone a child molester and murderer without even meeting them or attending a trial in which they were convicted in a court of law. how dare you place that label on someone who has never been even charged with such crimes. that is what should keep you from sleeping at night....your own harsh rush to judgement when you don't even begin to have all of the evidence. that's careless stupidity in my mind.

Well, that's nice for you. I realize that there are many people who think its wrong to have an opinion of guilt until a jury has rendered a guilty verdict.

I am not among them. I am able to look at evidence and make a judgement. I didn't need the jury to tell me that Scott Peterson was guilty and the OJ Simpson and Robert Blake jury verdicts did nothing to change my mind about the guilt of those two men.

 

[LinasK]

I sleep because I am not thoughtless and niave enough to believe that I can call someone a child molester and murderer without even meeting them or attending a trial in which they were convicted in a court of law. how dare you place that label on someone who has never been even charged with such crimes. that is what should keep you from sleeping at night....your own harsh rush to judgement when you don't even begin to have all of the evidence. that's careless stupidity in my mind.

Oh pulease... just because someone hasn't been charged does NOT mean they didn't do the crime, just that not enough evidence has been found to make the DA happy. In Nina Reiser's case, he protested his innocence, despite no body, until he was convicted, then two days ago led them to her body. Guess she didn't flee to Russia after all, as his defense claimed, did she???:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

P.S. I didn't need to attend Michael Jackson's sham trial or meet him to know that he is a child molester!

 

[LI_Mom]

I sleep because I am not thoughtless and niave enough to believe that I can call someone a child molester and murderer without even meeting them or attending a trial in which they were convicted in a court of law. how dare you place that label on someone who has never been even charged with such crimes. that is what should keep you from sleeping at night....your own harsh rush to judgement when you don't even begin to have all of the evidence. that's careless stupidity in my mind.

This is what she said when she brought Karr back....

"As far as we can tell, there is no physical evidence in this case that has not been in the public domain," Lacy told reporters.

 

[RiverRat]

just the type of sarcasm one needs when their 10 yr old life's work is slowly spinning down the drain when they know they're wrong. its ok i feel your pain....really.

Huh? Who is in pain? The ones swallowing this huge load of crap? I see that it hasn't made you any sweeter in your replies to others.....

 

[trixie]

Huh? Who is in pain? The ones swallowing this huge load of crap? I see that it hasn't made you any sweeter in your replies to others.....

They will always be there won't they RR? They roam in when something happens and they are the know-it-all authority and they roam out and are never seen or heard from again until something else happens. And we're suppose to listen. :slap:

 

[Wudge]

I think it's safe to say most IDIs feel this way about how RDIs weigh evidence, too. I think everyone just disagrees on what competent evidence is and how it should be interpreted.

Competency goes to traditional determinants for the reliability of evidence, and competency guages differ for the four types of evidence; i.e., real, documentary, testimonial and demonstrative.

For example, if Cherokee is not a hand writing expert, you should not expect that a trial Judge would even permit his opinion to be admitted as testimonial evidence at trial.

Would he be competent to testify as to his "opinion"? Yes. Would he be competent to testify as an "expert". No.

He would represent neither expertise nor best evidence.

 

[lilywhite]

My DNA won't match the samle either because I have never been to Boulder.

Okay, I LOLed.

 

[AliVada]

I think this is bull, I rarely post but agree with Tricia's press release.

Someone tell us about the missing cell records from December of 96 ... correct me if I am wrong but weren't they lost or destroyed on two phones for John and one for Patsy????? Has anyone ever heard of cell records just being gone? They have become a vital tool in so many cases and yet this family who was alerting people that horrible morning seem to have no record of their calls. How conveinant .... do we know who was the carrier for the phones?

Plus the fiber evidence just screams who done it!

Whatever has been wrong in Boulder seems to just get worse as time goes by.

Pam Paugh makes me sick with her interviews, she went in that house and removed things that have never been recovered to this day.

I cannot believe the latest twists in this bizarre case.

K in Texas