The Ramseys are Cleared

[LI_Mom]

Just goes to show you my favorite motto is indeed fact:

"Timing is everything..."

Ain't that the truth. lol

And John's timing WAS very suspect throughout the day.

He claims he saw the basement window open the FIRST time he searched the basement & closed it BUT he didn't bother to mention this to anyone that day.

He claims he saw a suspicious car outside his house while waiting for the kidnappers to call BUT he didn't bother to mention it to anyone that day.

 

[angelwngs]

Ain't that the truth. lol

And John's timing WAS very suspect throughout the day.

He claims he saw the basement window open the FIRST time he searched the basement & closed it BUT he didn't bother to mention this to anyone that day.

He claims he saw a suspicious car outside his house while waiting for the kidnappers to call BUT he didn't bother to mention it to anyone that day.

:clap::clap::clap: Exactly, LI_Mom and the list goes on and on and on...

 

[angelwngs]

Too little sleep and too much attempting to 'get into the mind' of the person to blame for JBR's murder is causing me to be unable to stop replaying in my head a vision and sountrack of PR singing, over and over and over again; to the tune of "We Are the Champions:

"I am the Drama Queen of the Worrrrrrrrld...."

I need to step away from my keyboard for a bit... and get back into my own 'mind'... lol :crazy:

Later, All~

 

[LI_Mom]

Too little sleep and too much attempting to 'get into the mind' of the person to blame for JBR's murder is causing me to be unable to stop replaying in my head a vision and sountrack of PR singing, over and over and over again; to the tune of "We Are the Champions:

"I am the Drama Queen of the Worrrrrrrrld...."

I need to step away from my keyboard for a bit... and get back into my own 'mind'... lol :crazy:

Later, All~

I hear ya.

All we're doing is rehashing all the same logical points over & over.

For DNA evidence to be meaningful it has to be more complete than this EXTRA NARROW focus Lacy zeroed in on to the exclusion of the WHOLE picture.

It's as if they are AFRAID to test any items that might refute the evidence of a single dna match.

 

[BBB167893]

I disagree with McCann on this. Hymeneal structure is *vastly* different from person to person, and an structural abnormality in and of itself should not indicate anything other than a structural abnormality.

You're obviously not familiar with Dr. McCann. He said the same thing himself. In fact, he created the modern standard for childhood abuse so his colleagues wouldn't do that kind of business.

Shapiro has long supported the BPD. So I'm not surprised he takes off against Mary Lacy.

You must be talking about a different person. For a few years, he was very pro-intruder theory.

 

[angelwngs]

I hear ya.

All we're doing is rehashing all the same logical points over & over.

For DNA evidence to be meaningful it has to be more complete than this EXTRA NARROW focus Lacy zeroed in on to the exclusion of the WHOLE picture.

It's as if they are AFRAID to test any items that might refute the evidence of a single dna match.

Exactly. They will only 'report publically' what they 'want' the public to know to support their own agenda.

 

[BBB167893]

For DNA evidence to be meaningful it has to be more complete than this EXTRA NARROW focus Lacy zeroed in on to the exclusion of the WHOLE picture.

I'm in complete agreement.

incidentally, my little tirade last night had a funny ending. In the space between my ranting and my calming down, I was cursing like a sailor. And my brother, who had heard me typing for several hours, came out and said:

"Hey, Guv, you're typing speed's really improved. You're up to eight curses a minute." LOL

I said, "sorry mate. Didn't mean to disturb you."

He said, "I thought you were disturbed!"

 

[angelwngs]

I'm in complete agreement.

incidentally, my little tirade last night had a funny ending. In the space between my ranting and my calming down, I was cursing like a sailor. And my brother, who had heard me typing for several hours, came out and said:

"Hey, Guv, you're typing speed's really improved. You're up to eight curses a minute." LOL

I said, "sorry mate. Didn't mean to disturb you."

He said, "I thought you were disturbed!"

ROFL :crazy:

The new standard for the 2008 resume:
90 words per minute, (small white lie by omission that it is the spoken curse words per minute counted as one types!)

I'll share this w/my future daughter-in-law to use at her own
discretion! :clap:

 

[BBB167893]

Oh, boy, now look what I've started!

 

[LI_Mom]

I'm in complete agreement.

incidentally, my little tirade last night had a funny ending. In the space between my ranting and my calming down, I was cursing like a sailor. And my brother, who had heard me typing for several hours, came out and said:

"Hey, Guv, you're typing speed's really improved. You're up to eight curses a minute." LOL

I said, "sorry mate. Didn't mean to disturb you."

He said, "I thought you were disturbed!"

LOL!!!


I think both sides sometimes lose it on occasion... the trick is to know when to take a station break. lol

 

[BBB167893]

You said it.

 

[LI_Mom]

It's pretty infuriating when IDI posters use that "RDI posters WANT the parents to be guilty" accusation.... that pushes buttons.

It's about as logical as claiming people who are against the war in Iraq WANT the terrorists to win.

Some people enter discussions with NO intentions of discussing anything... they only want to talk.

 

[BBB167893]

It's pretty infuriating when IDI posters use that "RDI posters WANT the parents to be guilty" accusation.... that pushes buttons.

Sure does in my case.

 

[Ames]

"Not supposed to be there" he's probably trying to say... she was not wearing it that night to bed.

If static cling was responsible for it being there... there's SURE to be touch dna on the nightgown. No intruder is going to slip gloves on & off & on & off while in the middle of an attack.

I agree.

About that nightgown....Maybe he was saying that she wasn't wearing it that night, so it wasn't supposed to be there. But, IMO...he was saying..."Where did THAT come from, neither me nor Patsy placed it there".

 

[LinasK]

seems to me a kidnapper would put a "ramsom note" on the kitchen counter
- on the floor by the bottom of the steps seems kind of kooky


oh yea, umm why bother leaving a ramson note at all

if the child was killed and put in the basement by the "INTRUDER" what purpose does the note serve other than to reflect the killing onto someone
other than the parents - which would indicate that it was the parents who wrote the note


made up- pack of lies- scam alert - warning - full bucket of bullcrap about an intruder

im not posting MY OPINION in my posts because who else's opinion would this be other than my own - i wrote it :crazy:

Welcome robotdog, I agree with your points. Don't let Wudge intimidate you. His bark is worse than his bite.

 

[LinasK]

"with a bruise apparent on the external surface of the hymen"

Enough hymeneal tissue to identify a bruise being present.

"The hymeneal orifice measured one centimeter which is abnormal or unusual for this particular age group and is further evidence of prior sexual abuse "

I disagree with McCann on this. Hymeneal structure is *vastly* different from person to person, and an structural abnormality in and of itself should not indicate anything other than a structural abnormality.

*unless you can be SURE of the structure of her vagina and hymen prior to any kind of activity in the vagina there is no way of knowing what was normal for this girl*. At birth to 1 year was her hymen fimbriated? crescentic? septate? microperforate? cribriform? Which one was it?

This tissue structure can vary *considerably* and this is normal.

How was the examination done? Prone? Lithotomic? It makes a difference, *aside* from the fact that the hymen structure can be so variable.

Now if JonBenet or another family member had made specific allegations of sexual abuse it would be another story. The hymen structure is not evidence of anything in and of itself.

I don't have the quotes in front of me, but.. her grandmother Nedra did allude to JB having been sexually abused, and reportedly Grandpa Paugh did some things to Patsy. I don't know the details, perhaps other posters with more info can fill in...

 

[LinasK]

The family in Iowa whose situation I described wanted to find their son, very badly. From all accounts, they were a typical farm family, active in their church, no history or suspicion of child abuse or any other criminal activity.

Their basement wasn't unused. In the story after the body was found, one of the excuses law enforcement personnel used for not finding the body was that the basement was crowded with stuff stored down there.

Plus, I imagine the basement was used a couple times a year as a tornado shelter (I live very near their area).

Law enforcement personnel searched their house not just once but several times. Initially in the search for the missing boy, then in an effort to find evidence of a homicide.

One of the morals of the story is to never underestimate the resourcefulness of 13 year old kids who have something they want to hide (porn mags and women's underwear). I actually wonder if the brother found the body because he, too, wanted a secret hidey-hole and suddenly wondered if there was something behind those old boards.

The other moral is that sometimes it's more difficult to search a house than it might seem.

Linda Arndt never even tried to search the basement, even when they thought it was a missing child case/kidnap vs. a homicide. She just let John search on his own without her!

 

[BBB167893]

There was one thing, LinasK. Granted, I'm just spitballing, but during the 1998 interview with Haney, he asks Patsy if she was ever molested as a child. On the video, she says no, but she seems to shrink right before your eyes, and her voice is so quiet she can barely be heard. Hmm.

 

[LinasK]

I don't have the quotes in front of me, but.. her grandmother Nedra did allude to JB having been sexually abused, and reportedly Grandpa Paugh did some things to Patsy. I don't know the details, perhaps other posters with more info can fill in...

The Rams and all their supporters (the ones who knowingly betray her),shall someday stand before God and be held accountable.I'm going to be glad when that day comes.
As for chronic abuse mentioned earlier,chronic infiltrate into the vaginal cells was noted,and that simply couldn't have come from the night she was killed.
Dr Wecht said there was one injury in particular,about 72 hours old,and 72 hours would have been around the same time of the R's Christmas party,the same night that odd 911 hang-up call was made,and SS answered police via the intercom only.It was also the same night JB was found crying on the steps,saying she 'didn't feel pretty'.
It would also be interesting to know why JB saw the school nurse several times that Dec.,and always on a Mon.,as well as why patsy frantically called Dr Beuf 3x within 10 mins. in mid-Dec,yet she couldn't recall why.
And then lastly,the dictionary being found opened to word incest .

 

[LI_Mom]

I agree.

About that nightgown....Maybe he was saying that she wasn't wearing it that night, so it wasn't supposed to be there. But, IMO...he was saying..."Where did THAT come from, neither me nor Patsy placed it there".

Sure, it can be taken EITHER way.


Which is exactly why the Ramsey lawyers choose to treat their clients as if they WERE murder suspects from the get go. They had no intentions of helping with the investigation ONLY with protecting their clients.

Result: No justice for the VICTIM. A family who will ALWAYS, ALWAYS be under an umbrella of suspicion unless by some miracle despite a botched crime scene AND a flawed investigation some future DA is able to convict someone of this crime.