The ransom note - Patsy or intruder? It's all in the detail.

[JMO8778]

JMO, did you know Jacques was a bichon frise, which is French for "curly-haired lap-dog (or small dog)." They were originally little circus street dogs originating on Malta or nearby in Portugal. Napoleon became intrigued by the little fellows and took one home to Josephine who carried her little pet around with her all the time.

how cute,I didn't know all of that.
I have a calendar on my wall of that breed,only reason being petsmart had them on sale at the beginning of this yr,it was the only one left and I needed a calendar.lol.you should see the month of August that I'm looking at right now...he looks like a fuzzy powder puff poodle !

 

[JMO8778]

It should then comfort you to know that there are those who did not jump to the conclusion, even before any forensic lab test were performed, that it was a family matter.

surely you jest? don't you think JonBenet deserves justice?
just b/c a family member kills another family member,esp. a child..does not mean the deceased doesn't deserve justice.If my spouse ever did that,he would be SO in jail !!!
I think it's a shame JR didn't do the right thing,by JB and Patsy both..he would have felt so vindicated.As it was,I bet he felt all of it turn very inwardly,which can't be a good thing...that's how depression and every negative feeling gets it's start.

 

[JMO8778]

I would avoid misspelling the word 'business' when turning in a high school English paper, or the teacher won't think you 'had quite a high command of the English language'. Especially if the handwriting looks anything like the RN. LOL

Of course you're entitled to your own opinion.

How could PR, the wife of a millionaire businessman, misspell business, even once?? The only explanation RDI can come up with so far is that the word was deliberately misspelled to dumb down the note. Now how could PR dumb down the note, and still leave the impression of a good command of the English language? Did PR dumb it down or not?

she didn't dumb it down well enough...2 misspelled words in the first paragraph,goes on to spell attache correctly,and no more misspelled words.

IDI isn't having this problem, because its clear the perp, whoever it is, is confused about those pesky double-esses. How you can derive a high command of the English language from this is beyond me. The sentence structure was very good, but you're glossing over a glaring spelling issue here.

not quite.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

she didn't dumb it down well enough...2 misspelled words in the first paragraph,goes on to spell attache correctly,and no more misspelled words.

not quite.

So we went from deliberately misspelling business to misspelling due to panic and anxiety? How about PR misspelled because she was interrupted while writing and forgot where she left off?

 

[JMO8778]

So we went from deliberately misspelling business to misspelling due to panic and anxiety?

where did I say panic and anxiety? maybe some others did(?)

How about PR misspelled because she was interrupted while writing and forgot where she left off?

on 2 words,both with s's in them? both times? could be,seems deliberate to me though.

 

[JMO8778]

So we went from deliberately misspelling business to misspelling due to panic and anxiety?

If you're someone pretending to be JR,in all fairness,I sure hope he knows about it.

 

[BBB167893]

Collectively, the FBI, DA or LE never made any determination that the author of the RN and PR were one and the same.

Oh, yeah!?

Either way, Ubowski was prepared to say, 'Patsy wrote the note.' The CBI saw this as another missed opportunity" (Schiller 1999a:536-537)

Schiller further notes: "experts from the CBI presented their evaluations into evidence, including Chet Ubowski. He also told Pete Mang, his boss at the CBI, that his gut told him it was her handwriting" (Schiller 1999a:740)

Anyone who looks at those figure-8 "q"s in the side-by-side and still says it wasn't her is truly a person beyond my meager understanding.

Has it honestly (and I am asking you this sincerely and politely) ever entered your mind that that most RDI's of whatever belief were not at one point IDI's hanging on for dear life trying to hold on to the illusion that a parent(s) would not could not have done this to their own child, That most of us were literally ill when we no longer had the comfort of denial?

That describes me pretty well.

So we went from deliberately misspelling business to misspelling due to panic and anxiety? How about PR misspelled because she was interrupted while writing and forgot where she left off?

For all I know, you may have just nailed it.

 

[DeeDee249]

I know some very educated native-English speakers who write very well- and are poor spellers. Many people have a word, or type of word, that they misspell repeatedly.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Has it honestly (and I am asking you this sincerely and politely) ever entered your mind that that most RDI's of whatever belief were not at one point IDI's hanging on for dear life trying to hold on to the illusion that a parent(s) would not could not have done this to their own child, That most of us were literally ill when we no longer had the comfort of denial?

Thats a riot. Tabloid LOVES a rich family scandal--never seriously looked at IDI at all. If most RDI were once idealistic IDI's, then of course the tabloids would've held back on claims against the parents. That obviously didn't happen, so how do you arrive at this conclusion?

I've never been of the illusion that a parent 'would not could not' (is that Dr Seuss?). There are stories in the news all the time about the horrific things parents do to their kids. JBR's just not one of them, thats all.

 

[BBB167893]

I'll hold you to those words!

 

[coloradokares]

Thats a riot. Tabloid LOVES a rich family scandal--never seriously looked at IDI at all. If most RDI were once idealistic IDI's, then of course the tabloids would've held back on claims against the parents. That obviously didn't happen, so how do you arrive at this conclusion?

I've never been of the illusion that a parent 'would not could not' (is that Dr Seuss?). There are stories in the news all the time about the horrific things parents do to their kids. JBR's just not one of them, thats all.

For one thing I believe that describes, as Super Dave agrees, a lot of us.
Second thing Dr. Seuss. Dont go there on this forum with rudeness such as that. It is not well tolerated. I was not in any way rude or childish with you. I wont start now. I am making a choice to adhere to the forum rules. Yes parents do horrific things to their kids but that has nothing to do with the IDI belief that has been echoed time and again. A parent(s) could not or would not do this to their own child, even a member of the grand jury was noted as having expressed that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

For one thing I believe that describes, as Super Dave agrees, a lot of us.
Second thing Dr. Seuss. Dont go there on this forum with rudeness such as that. It is not well tolerated. I was not in any way rude or childish with you. I wont start now. I am making a choice to adhere to the forum rules. Yes parents do horrific things to their kids but that has nothing to do with the IDI belief that has been echoed time and again. A parent(s) could not or would not do this to their own child, even a member of the grand jury was noted as having expressed that.

Let me then clarify that is not because a parent 'could not would not' do this to thier own child, that causes me to believe IDI. It is at least partly because the criminality present at the crime scene far exceeds that which the R's are capable of, based on their history and personality.

You don't just wake up one day and tie a garrote.

Maybe I'd suggest reading up on some other characters, to perhaps widen some horizons on what some people could and would do. May I suggest Ivan the Terrible for openers?

 

[coloradokares]

Let me then clarify that is not because a parent 'could not would not' do this to thier own child, that causes me to believe IDI. It is because the criminality present at the crime scene far exceeds that which the R's are capable of, based on their history and personality.

You don't just wake up one day and tie a garrote.

Maybe I'd suggest reading up on some other characters, to perhaps widen some horizons on what some people could and would do. May I suggest Ivan the Terrible for openers?

I know all to well what a parent can and would do to their own child. I have no desire to go into all the details but a tragedy occured in my extended family when I was only six. My cousins husband killed first his wife then the children then at last himself. I am not saying it does never occur. What I am saying is this, many times IDI's seem to base their belief in the innocence of the Ramseys on that premise. And yes seemingly one day a parent wakes up and takes the life of their child or children or entire family. It does happen sadly seemingly without warning of any kind.

 

[JMO8778]

I know all to well what a parent can and would do to their own child. I have no desire to go into all the details but a tragedy occured in my extended family when I was only six. My cousins husband killed first his wife then the children then at last himself. I am not saying it does never occur. What I am saying is this, many times IDI's seem to base their belief in the innocence of the Ramseys on that premise. And yes seemingly one day a parent wakes up and takes the life of their child or children or entire family. It does happen sadly seemingly without warning of any kind.

and look at what all Patsy had been through...barely surviving cancer,early hysterectomy,the hectic Xmas season,packing for 3 trips,etc.,and a controlling personality on top of that,with JB showing signs of rebellion...I think it's just like ST said..her beautiful daughter had left her frazzled...

 

[JMO8778]

It is at least partly because the criminality present at the crime scene far exceeds that which the R's are capable of, based on their history and personality.

the staging was sloppily done.even JR himself said he could have done a better job of it.it wasn't done by someone w/ experience.

You don't just wake up one day and tie a garrote.

ya do if you want the crime to point away from you..the garrotte didn't even function as such..it was all for staging purposes only.while either PR or JR would have likely known how to tie that knot,I suspect JR may have done it,as the ligatures suggest a sexual bondage type scenario,and I think JR was the one more likely to have done that.I think she was restaged,and that's why JR lied about the ligatures and said they were tight when they weren't.

 

[JMO8778]

For all I know, you may have just nailed it.

maybe JR was yelling at Burke again

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

the staging was sloppily done.even JR himself said he could have done a better job of it.it wasn't done by someone w/ experience.

ya do if you want the crime to point away from you..the garrotte didn't even function as such..it was all for staging purposes only.while either PR or JR would have likely known how to tie that knot,I suspect JR may have done it,as the ligatures suggest a sexual bondage type scenario,and I think JR was the one more likely to have done that.I think she was restaged,and that's why JR lied about the ligatures and said they were tight when they weren't.

The so-called staging probably never happened. IMO there is a lot of denial going on that JBR suffered at the hands of her killer and the garrote, and so the garrote is candy coated as a mere prop. Most RDI scenarios minimize or outright deny most of the violence that obviously took place.

It was a brutal murder, done by a brutal person.

 

[rashomon]

Thats a riot. Tabloid LOVES a rich family scandal--never seriously looked at IDI at all. If most RDI were once idealistic IDI's, then of course the tabloids would've held back on claims against the parents. That obviously didn't happen, so how do you arrive at this conclusion?

It is of no interest for whom the tabloids look in a criminal case: It's not their job. It is LE's job to check for possible leads to an intruder. LE did that, investigating thoroughly all the people the Ramseys had thrown under the bus. Aside from that, they tracked down Colorado pedophile offense records, interviewing inmates like e. g. John E. Brewer.
Each of the people they investigated could be cleared. The Ramseys could NOT be cleared.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It is of no interest for whom the tabloids look in a criminal case: It's not their job. It is LE's job to check for possible leads to an intruder. LE did that, investigating thoroughly all the people the Ramseys had thrown under the bus. Aside from that, they tracked down Colorado pedophile offense records, interviewing inmates like e. g. John E. Brewer.
Each of the people they investigated could be cleared. The Ramseys could NOT be cleared.

But not one 'individual' who is part of a 'group representing a SFF' was investigated. Not even one. Explain that.

 

[BOESP]

But not one 'individual' who is part of a 'group representing a SFF' was investigated. Not even one. Explain that.

How would you know who was investigated?

If you will give us the name of some SFF groups you have in mind perhaps someone can answer your question. The way you've worded it makes it impossible to answer.