The Search Dogs

[sarx]

Absolutely, but I think it is also often the case that they've got "cop dogs" and don't realize that they're not the same thing as SAR dogs. I've run into the attitude of "we already sent our dogs out, there's no need for you" plenty of times. Also gone out to find a MP after I had them "humor me" more than plenty of times.... Sometimes it's lack of knowledge, sometimes it's ignorance, sometimes it's arrogance, sometimes it's all of the above that cause this.

 

[Just K]

Published October 06, 2011
| FoxNews.com


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FBI agents clad in white plastic suits used search dogs earlier Wednesday as they went into the family's light-green ranch-style home in a cozy neighborhood along a winding street. An FBI spokeswoman declined to discuss details of the investigation.

Young said the suits were to hide the FBI agents' scent from the dogs so they could get original scents of the girl. He also said investigators interviewed the girl's parents until about 10:30 p.m. Tuesday, but did not take them into custody.

"Everything we've thought of doing we've probably done two or three times," he said. "Over 300 law enforcement officers have been involved. They've walked a wooded area three times in shoulder-to-shoulder searches, taken dogs in three times -- different dogs each time -- and none of those led us anywhere

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/05/kansas-city-police-say-parents-missing-baby-cooperative/

Maybe it is time to take a few dogs over to the location where the birthday party held on Sunday the day before Lisa goes missing. It would be real nice if anyone would say that someone, other than Mom & Dad or even grandparents, saw Lisa after the birthday party.

 

[bessie]

Trying to dig up a great study that's in PDF format regarding accuracy and time, at the moment it seems to be lost in my files somewhere! I've posted it on here before and now can't find the stinkin' thing!

I don't know if it's the one you were looking for, Sarx, but Oesterhelweg's carpet square study is pretty amazing.

Two recently deceased cadavers were used in the experiment. The post-mortem times were 110 mins and 120 mins. Clean cotton blankets were wrapped around the bodies as a barrier. The first body was laid on a total of 24 brand new carpet squares for ten minutes. The second body was laid on a separate set of carpet squares for two minutes. In tests conducted over 65 days (35 for the two minute squares), three Hamburg police dogs showed extremely high accuracy in detecting the contaminated squares.

http://pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Oesterhelweg 1998.pdf

 

[sarx]

LOL, that's the one. Somewhere I have the full study, just can't find it.

 

[bessie]

I know the feeling.

 

[MissJames]

I agree, Sarx.. I found the "suits" donned on agents and dogs to prevent scent confusion to be a very confusing and unnecessary route taken for these particular dogs.. Just as you remarked properly trained dogs DO NOT NEED SUCH "PRECAUTIONS" TAKEN!! they are more than capable of not being affected by other scents/odors..(ATLEAST as far as I know from what I undrstand about search dogs.. And that's only thanks to you and Oriah :blowskisses: )

Apart from that issue from the few articles I've read thus far I have not seen ANYTHING Indicating that they have actually used cadaver dogs(tho that doesn't necessarily mean that they WERE NOT used).. I've just not found anything stating they had.. The reason this concerns me is that with seemingly so much focus being on the mom I think most realize that ATLEAST puts the scenario of Lisa deceased on the table, jmo! And that could be due to accident, overdose, or homicide)..atleast that's how I see it and with that being, if even a slight possibility I would think that cadaver dogs would served a very Important and IMO necessary purpose in searching the home/property/vehicles for any hits/alerts for human decomp.. IMO this is definitely important and could/would change the entire direction of the investigation.. Because "if" the dog(s) were to alert for human decomp in/around the home.. And.. Well.. We have a 10 month old child that has been missing since Oct 3/4.. That's some very real evidence indicative of Lisa being deceased.. Jmo!

So, I do very much wonder if they have only used the trail scenting dogs(that are given a scent article of Lisa and track her) or if they have infact brought in cadaver/HRD dogs(Human Remains Dog) and reporters just do not know or did not specify that both type SAR dogs have been used in this case?? .. As I said IMO it's a very good indicator one way or another and am curious to know if or when they were used and of course extremely curious to know that if they were used were there any positive hits/alerts for human decomp??

** not sure if this would help you, Sarx, as I know you're searching for the good info detailing about the SAR dogs but I know in Lauren Giddings threads you posted several very informative links with tons of info.. So you may check your posts there for the link you can't locate..
Hope that Helps

Maybe LE donned suits so a defense attorney couldn't use that as a (completely false) failure when trial time comes,if it comes.
Following trials recently,I've noticed Defense attorney's using little non-issues to confuse a jury or create reasonable doubt.
It was probably made standard operating procedure to avoid a later claim of cross-contamination. Maybe :dunno:

 

[nursebeeme]

bumping up (interesting info on earlier dog searches)