The Sidebar - Harris Trial #2

[HarmonyE.]

He's a baby murderer. As far as I'm concerned, anyone can call him anything they like in addition to this.

But nothing is worse than what he did to that helpless little child.

 

[Hope4More]

He also did not delete and run from them once he found out they were minors. Instead he googled what the penalty would be if he got caught. But I guess you wouldn't define that as predatory....I do.

I define it as a man without morals, no sense of boundaries of any kind, a man who knowingly broke the law, and a man who was apparently comfortable with exploiting minors.

I guess I consider all that repulsive enough without attaching labels I don't think fit.

 

[monkeypants]

Is anyone else getting a big Chick-fil-A ad on their tapatalk?...it's making me feel weird....

 

[yupikgirl]

He also did not delete and run from them once he found out they were minors. Instead he googled what the penalty would be if he got caught. But I guess you wouldn't define that as predatory....I do.

HA. Absolutely.


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[yupikgirl]

Is anyone else getting a big Chick-fil-A ad on their tapatalk?...it's making me feel weird....

I hate the ads on Tapatalk- when I started following this trial I paid to have them removed. They didn't used to be so big before!

It was $15 I think.


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[Hope4More]

However you want to phrase it he is an adult that is sexually attracted to children. A 14 year old is a child.

I have my very own 14 year old (son) in the house. Through him and my conversations with his friends, I have at least some sense of what is considered "normal" these days when it comes to sexting, as in, the exchange of sexually suggestive "selfies."

These kids have an entirely different view of doing that than any adult I know, including myself. They don't see it as a big deal. It's scary, actually, that there is so little thought given about the potential consequences.

This case actually gave me the opportunity to lay out to my son what some of those consequences might be (he is a great kid, didn't need the lecture maybe, but hey), including the reality the photos never go all the way away, and that they can and do ruin the lives of the kids who exchange them.

 

[monkeypants]

I hate the ads on Tapatalk- when I started following this trial I paid to have them removed. They didn't used to be so big before!

It was $15 I think.


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Some are interesting lol...but this one doesn't seem to go away. If I had to guess, this trial cannot end soon enough for HD & CF....what an image nightmare

 

[yupikgirl]

No matter what is "normal" (and I have a 15 year old daughter so I'm aware of what kids do these days as well) it's not okay and completely different for a grown man on his thirties to do this with a child under 18 period.

The dismissive tone of what he did with minors is really really strange on this thread.




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[Hope4More]

Sex addicts (Ross defined himself as one) aren't going to delete these activities. They are going to collect them however and perhaps hide them under ummm...maybe a Weather app

Well, Tex, here's a time when I'm not going to disagree with you about a man having a sexual addiction.

Ross Harris clearly did.

 

[Paige SC]

It really doesn't matter what one wants the definition to be --- and archaic understandings of the word which have since moved forward and progressively within the context of our times is irrelevant. The law is the law, it is considered a forceful act for an adult to engage in pornographic and/or sexual contact with a 14 year old because said minor cannot consent under the law. Ross Harris is a sexual predator, and will be noted accordingly upon his conviction of the sex crimes...sometime...this week

Technically I can't dispute the law, I never have. My opinion is my personal one and not to be considered state statute or federal law.

IMO, had RH not killed his son he wouldn't have been charged with exploitation of a minor *even if the law was aware of his sexting crime.* He would have been charged with something less but more appropriate in this specific circumstance.

He wouldn't be the type of guy the sex offender registry was designed for. He wouldn't be considered beyond rehabilitation or a threat to society or needing to be permanently banned from being within 10 miles of a public school.

The charge merely serves as a backup in the event he's found not guilty of murder. And I'm fine with that but only because I think he's a murderer. If he was being tried solely as a 'sexual predator' I would have a hard time finding him guilty. A pathetic, social reject randomly sexting anyone with two legs doesn't represent the type of predator we should fear roaming the streets. That person doesn't deserve the same punishment as a Jerry Sandusky.

I think RH deserves life in prison but not everyone who kills their child deserves the same level of punishment, even if they intended to kill their child. There was a woman who had grown twins residing in a nursing home. The twins had a progressive disease and were essentially 'locked in,' unable communicate and in terrible pain. She shot them both in the head out of mercy. She technically killed both of her sons but she's no Ross Harris. She was charged with a lesser crime and served zero jail time.

All murderers aren't the same and for those people, they aren't charged with murder 1. Same applies to 'predators or pedos.' It's no more "black and white" for a sex crime than it is for murder. There's plenty of discretion and a host of other charges that can be substituted for the offense.

 

[GA_Peach]

I did watch the enhanced video, multiple times, thanks.

What I don't understand is why people are insisting they see what even Stoddard and the fellow who enhanced the video say didn't happen?

I don't allow anyone's testimony (or lack thereof) to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. I saw Ross turn his head not once but two times. If you didn't or can't see it, that's fine. I can and did.

On a similar note, I didn't believe Detective Stoddard when he testified that Ross was within the frame of the car.

The minors in the 2016 indictment are identified as

M.A.B (counts 1,2,3)
K.R. (counts 6,7,8)
N.P. (Count 4)

This makes me sick. LE has found evidence of him sexually exploiting 4 different minors. He is absolutely a sexual predator.

ETA - A predator is one who preys on the weak and vulnerable. Ross sexually exploited at least four minors and engaged in sexually explicit activity with numerous girls who barely legal. How many of those girls admitted to recovering from bad relationships during the time they were involved with Ross? Was there a single girl who wasn't weak (underage) or vulnerable (coming off a bad break up)?

 

[monkeypants]

Categorizing Pedophiles

Pedophiles can be classified in several ways. Pedophilia can be characterized as either exclusive or non-exclusive. Exclusive pedophiles are attracted only to children. They show no interest in sexual partners who are not prepubescent children. This desire prolongs even when they are not in the presence of children. Non-exclusive pedophiles are attracted to both adults and children. A large percentage of male pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation to children, meaning they are attracted to male children or both male and female children (Schiffer, 2008).

The problem is everyone is thinking of a pedophile as a man asking a little kid in the park to help find his puppy. A pedophile is defined as an adult that is sexually attracted to a child. A 14 year old is a child. A 35 year old man is an adult. There are categories of pedophiles...they don't all carry rainbow lollipops. They can be attracted to children AND adults.

 

[yupikgirl]

I don't allow anyone's testimony (or lack thereof) to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. I saw Ross turn his head not once but two times. If you didn't or can't see it, that's fine. I can and did.

On a similar note, I didn't believe Detective Stoddard when he testified that Ross was within the frame of the car.




This makes me sick. LE has found evidence of him sexually exploiting 4 different minors. He is absolutely a predator

And he had thousands of messages with so many different women- why not stick to over 18??? Not like he wasn't getting anywhere with women who were legal. Makes me sick as well.


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[arkansasmimi]

This 14 yr old individual may be one from the March 2016 indictment but not a part of this case. JMHO I can't believe they were able to bring in to this one without the person testifying. And if it was from the other case, why didn't they testify in this case? Even if just as a witness to chats? Had nothing to do with this case.

IF this is the same 14yr old mentioned in Stoddards testimony, at trial, this would be Count 4...on or about the 23rd of January, 2014, did knowingly possess material, to wit: a digital image and photograph depting N.P. , a minor, engaged in sexually explicit conduct, to wit: lewd exhibition of said minor female's genitalia, contrary to the laws of said State, the good order, peace and dignity thereof. http://media.wix.com/ugd/943520_dea5702bbc3849178f39bc063c0bc78f.pdf

4:00 p.m. Detective reads a conversation Harris had on Whisper in January 2014. The girl he's chatting with claims to be 14 years old. Detective says Harris continues to sext with her despite that http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ross-harr...the-ross-harris-hot-car-death-trial/460110234

From this trial....

Another young girl was only 15 when she talked with Harris online.

"I posted a post that says I love older guys," she said. "At first I lied I told him I was 18."

She says Harris sent a picture of his privates to her and she sent one of her's back to him. That's when she says she told him she was only 15 years old.

"He told me he wanted me to make him a naughty old man or something like that," the witness said.

Defense attorney Maddox Kilgore questioned her behavior as a 15-year-old.

"In 21 minutes you sent a stranger a picture of your privates," Kilgore asked.

"Yes sir," she said. http://www.wsfa.com/story/33403835/testimony-resumes-in-justin-ross-harris-murder-trial

Testimony: Georgian charged in son's death chatted sexually with minor
By Mayra Cuevas and Darran Simon, CNN
Updated 9:33 PM ET, Mon October 17, 2016 .
Brunswick, Georgia (CNN)A 17-year-old-girl testified Monday that she and Justin Ross Harris, the Georgia man charged with murder in his son's death in a hot car, exchanged pictures of their private parts weeks before the boy died, and Harris wanted her to perform sexual acts on him upon learning she was underage.

"He told me he wanted me to make him a naughty old man, or something along those lines," the teenager, who was 15 when she said she messaged with Harris on May 29, 2014, said in a Brunswick, Georgia, courtroom.

The witness said she first lied when she told Harris that she was 18. Harris, who said he was 33, first sent her a picture of his private parts and she responded with a picture of her private parts on Whisper, an app that encourages people to tell secrets, she testified. But later in the conversation, she said she told Harris she was 15.

The girl answered yes and became emotional when Cobb County Assistant District Attorney Chuck Boring asked whether there were "some things in that chat about what he wants to do to you as a 15-year-old girl."

During cross-examination on Monday, Kilgore pointed out that only 21 minutes had passed from the time the 17-year-old started communicating with Harris to the time she sent him a picture of her private parts. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/17/us/georgia-hot-car-toddler-death-trial/

 

[yupikgirl]

Yea lets shame the girl for lying about her age at first. HE is the adult. He was wrong and he is the PREDATOR.


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[monkeypants]

Technically I can't dispute the law, I never have. My opinion is my personal one and not to be considered state statute or federal law.

IMO, had RH not killed his son he wouldn't have been charged with exploitation of a minor *even if the law was aware of his sexting crime.* He would have been charged with something less but more appropriate in this specific circumstance.

He wouldn't be the type of guy the sex offender registry was designed for. He wouldn't be considered beyond rehabilitation or a threat to society or needing to be permanently banned from being within 10 miles of a public school.

The charge merely serves as a backup in the event he's found not guilty of murder. And I'm fine with that but only because I think he's a murderer. If he was being tried solely as a 'sexual predator' I would have a hard time finding him guilty. A pathetic, social reject randomly sexting anyone with two legs doesn't represent the type of predator we should fear roaming the streets. That person doesn't deserve the same punishment as a Jerry Sandusky.

I think RH deserves life in prison but not everyone who kills their child deserves the same level of punishment, even if they intended to kill their child. There was a woman who had grown twins residing in a nursing home. The twins had a progressive disease and were essentially 'locked in,' unable communicate and in terrible pain. She shot them both in the head out of mercy. She technically killed both of her sons but she's no Ross Harris. She was charged with a lesser crime and served zero jail time.

All murderers aren't the same and for those people, they aren't charged with murder 1. Same applies to 'predators or pedos.' It's no more "black and white" for a sex crime than it is for murder. There's plenty of discretion and a host of other charges that can be substituted for the offense.

Where does it say the sex offender registry is for the ones that are beyond rehab? It's for anyone that commits a sex offense.

What is a Registered Sex Offender?
A registered sex offender is a person, male or female, who has been convicted of a crime involving a sexual act where the federal, state or local laws require them to be placed on the Sexual Offender Registry after they have served their criminal sentences or when they have been released on parole. These acts can range anywhere from misdemeanors to felonies, and the definition of a sex crime can differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States all have created laws pertaining to registration on a national registry of sex offenders.

What are the “Levels” of a Registered Sex Offender?

The level of the offense depends on the crime committed, the nature of the crime, the age of the parties involved, and the propensity to recommit the offense. The federal government has enacted laws that define the terms and outline the tier of offense based on certain criteria. Each state is free to enact laws that are more strict than those enacted by the federal government. However, the states laws must be at least as stringent as those set by the federal government.

The Adam Walsh Act passed into law in 2007 set down standard criteria for classifying sexual offenders. Title I of that law established the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (“SORNA”) required all U.S. jurisdictions to conform their registration laws to the federal guidelines set forth under the new law or face a penalty. However, the tier to which an offender is assigned only corresponds to the plea or conviction to which the offender was sentenced, which, due to plea bargaining or lack of evidence, may or may not be the whole of the crime committed. It also does not reflect the risk of a repeat offense.

Tier I Offenses (Level 1 Sex Offender) are typically of a non-violent nature with persons of the age of majority. Tier I offenses include registration on the Sexual Offender Registry for a minimum of 15 years, with verification on a yearly basis.

Tier II Offenses (Level 2 Sex Offender) are typically also of a non-violent nature, but involve minors. Tier II offenses require being registered on the Sexual Offender Registry for no less than 25 years, with verification of the information twice a year.

Tier III Offenses (Level 2 Sex Offender) is the most serious designated sex offender. It includes those convicted of violent and non-violent acts, with minors or adults. Tier III offenses require being registered on the Sexual Offender Registry for the duration of the offender’s lifetime, with verification of the information on a quarterly basis.

What Criminal Charges can result in becoming a Registered Sex Offender?

According to U.S. federal law:

Sexual Act constitutes sexual penetration between the perpetrator and the victim.
Sexual Contact constitutes touching in a sexual nature.
Tier I Sex Offenses include misdemeanors and felonies such as:

Public indecency (lewdness);
Voyeurism;
Possession of child (could include teen sexting).
Sexual contact without consent.
Tier II Sex Offenses include:

Any new offense perpetrated by a Tier I sexual offender;
Trafficking of minors for the purposes of sexual activity;
Transportation of minors for the purposes of sexual activity;
Using intimidation to elicit sexual activity;
Using bribery to elicit sexual activity;
Any sexual acts with persons between the ages of 12-15;
Any sexual contact with persons between the ages of 12-15;
Any sexual offenses where the offender has a position of authority over the victim, such as a parent or guardian, or those with temporary custody of the child, such as a babysitter or teacher;
Prostitution of minors;
Production or distribution of that includes minors;
Any plans to commit or attempt to commit any of the above.
Tier Sex III Offenses include:

Any new offense perpetrated by a Tier II sexual offender;
Most sexual assaults.
Sexual acts where force was used on the victim or the victim was under duress;
Sexual acts where the victim is rendered unconscious or impaired through the use of drugs or alcohol;
Sexual acts where the victim is under the age of 12;
Sexual acts where the victim is unable of consenting to the act due to mental impairment or disability;
Sexual acts where the victim is unable to physically decline the act;
Sexual acts where the victim communicates their unwillingness to participate in the sexual act; and/or
Any plans to commit or attempt to commit any of the above.

 

[momoftwocrazies]

I bet she was wearing a short skirt. ��

 

[GA_Peach]

And he had thousands of messages with so many different women- why not stick to over 18??? Not like he wasn't getting anywhere with women who were legal. Makes me sick as well.


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It makes me ill. Ross routinely prayed on weak and vulnerable girls. He was sexually communicating with girls in high school and picking up other girls from their dorm room so they could perform sexual acts on him. I cannot believe that people want to normalize this behavior. There is NOTHING normal about adult men having sexual relationships with young girls.

 

[Hope4More]

I don't allow anyone's testimony (or lack thereof) to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. I saw Ross turn his head not once but two times. If you didn't or can't see it, that's fine. I can and did.

On a similar note, I didn't believe Detective Stoddard when he testified that Ross was within the frame of the car.




This makes me sick. LE has found evidence of him sexually exploiting 4 different minors. He is absolutely a predator

Stoddard changed his testimony on that head in the car thing too.

I don't doubt anyone who says they see what they see in that enhanced video. The jury will decide for themselves what they see, from the 1st time viewed, or the second, if that's what they were even interested in seeing again.

But what they are obligated to consider is the testimony by lead detective Stoddard (he didn't look back) , the surveillance tape witness (he didn't look back) , and the witness who enhanced the tape (I didn't see him looking back).
IMO there is no doubt that the State would have played the video on zoom if it was clear cut in the video that RH looked back, or even very suggestive that he did. Jmo

 

[momoftwocrazies]

On another note because we aren't going to agree. Have you guys watched The Killing Season? So so good. I want to know everything. Just picked up Lost Girls. You guys too?