The Sidebar - Harris Trial

[blue22]

Short of my son, brother, cousin,bff being a Jeffrey dahmeresque person, I would be there as support regardless of how embarrassing, negative or guilty I felt my family member was. You can love the person and not like/encourage/respect the act.

I wasn't talking about embarrassment. I was talking about the horrendous hurt of listening to the testimony. I don't think anyone should be expected to go through that live on camera. They are victims. Cooper is already gone, and there are many ways to honor his life. As far as Ross, maybe they think washing their hands of him and not allowing him to cause their family more hurt...is a way to honor Cooper. Who knows. But I will never hold it against a victim who has lost someone precious, for not displaying their grief live on camera at court.

JMO.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think by end of day Friday. I don't count the charges related to minors as needed to be deliberated on. JMO

No court Fri, it's Veterans Day then weekend. So Wed & Thu full days this week.

 

[TexMex]

I don't believe for a second he thought there would be an ounce of suspicion upon him. And I don't believe he had any intention of not continuing communications with these people. He needed those apps and information to continue on.

What I do think about Ross, is that he is intelligent AND emotionally immature. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, but has no idea how his behavior can be interpreted in the moment. That's what usually catches up to manipulators. They know how to toy with other people, but they can't always control how other people look at their behavior.

Obviously, JMO

It was brought up in closings that people obsessed with this sexual communication will not throw it away. It's important to them. Think about people arrested for child . They know it can send them to jail for decades yet almost every person arrested for it has a huge collection of it on their computer.

 

[blue22]

No court Fri, it's Veterans Day then weekend. So Wed & Thu full days this week.

Totally forgot about that!

 

[blue22]

It was brought up in closings that people obsessed with this sexual communication will not throw it away. It's important to them. Think about people arrested for child . They know it can send them to jail for decades yet almost every person arrested for it has a huge collection of it on their computer.

Yes. This is the incredibly disgusting truth.

 

[monkeypants]

What was the proximity of the movie theater with regard to where he pulled in to the parking lot? Was he close? How far away was it?

 

[monkeypants]

Supposedly the EMT asked RH that question when RH was in Piper's backseat. IIRC, the question couldn't be heard on Piper's recording, so we are to take the EMT's word for it that's what Ross told him. Came up in early LE testimony.

I wonder why he asked that? There was no vomit etc that I recall?

 

[monkeypants]

It was brought up in closings that people obsessed with this sexual communication will not throw it away. It's important to them. Think about people arrested for child . They know it can send them to jail for decades yet almost every person arrested for it has a huge collection of it on their computer.

Yes, they are called "collectors"

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think all of us have wondered why absence of family. I would guess that Kilgore directed them to be absent. No doubt family would have felt compelled to make some kind of comment arriving/departing courthouse, etc. Even this forum indicates even the parents silent courtroom behavior would be highly scrutinized. Kilgore wanted to offer the media/prosecutor no free info to use against his client. His brother that testified stated he loved his brother. You know he would have stayed if Kilgore hadn't orchestrated a DT game plan.

In the interview with Holloway he addressed this, interesting jmho

 

[GA_Peach]

What was the proximity of the movie theater with regard to where he pulled in to the parking lot? Was he close? How far away was it?

He was very close. He was about 60 seconds and 0.5 miles away. According to testimony, it took Piper about 1 minute to respond, and she was just a tad farther than the theater.

 

[monkeypants]

No way to know. Maybe RH was going to do a quick stop by a glory hole. Or maybe he knew of a popular street corner/area for a 15 min stop while remaining in his car.

So yet another out of the ordinary thing to add into the mix? Let's start adding all the things ross doesn't usually do in life and do them ALL in one short, compressed day.

 

[monkeypants]

He was very close. He was about 60 seconds away.

Thanks!!

Seems a little close for Dales theory then if you ask me.

 

[Moxie Vi]

No one here likes Ross. But I have encountered several use the "he said it was an accident" defense. Agree to disagree. Literally dozens daily talk on these Cooper threads, I'm not going to guesstimate...I couldn't possibly! I don't make it a point to pay attention to handles, to be totally honest. But they exist and they are not shy on here. I never meant to make that part of my opinion a "thing." I was really just saying it's curious that RH can't be taken at value for some things, but can for others. I don't even care if someone takes him at his word. i don't even think it's wrong to have that opinion. I just find it interesting.

I too have noticed several rely on the "but he said it was an accident" defense. It was mostly during discussion of whether FBS fit. Granted, no one ever said they were "Team Ross" but I do recall being taken aback a time or two because of course he would claim it was an accident regardless of the circumstances. I just want you to know that you weren't imagining things, I read and perceived the same way as you.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

 

[arkansasmimi]

Do you remember if the EMT testified to this, or Piper testified that that EMT said it? I seem to remember the DT objecting to Piper testifying about what the EMT said. Just trying to figure out who claimed RH said that without having to re-watch. If it were Piper relaying it, I would question whether it happened that way. No reason IMO to question the EMT, but I'm not sure about Piper...

I feel the same way about her as I do "going to see a movie with my friends" guy. Seems they both just wanted to be an important part

I am not at home with my notes will check to see if made note it been while since then😉

 

[Rayemonde]

I too have noticed several rely on the "but he said it was an accident" defense. It was mostly during discussion of whether FBS fit. Granted, no one ever said they were "Team Ross" but I do recall being taken aback a time or two because of course he would claim it was an accident regardless of the circumstances. I just want you to know that you weren't imagining things, I read and perceived the same way as you.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

The way I remember it, people kept saying RH couldn't have thought he dropped Cooper off at daycare because he never said that to LE. And that's why people started arguing about whether he said he thought he dropped Cooper off or not. Not because they took his word that he thought he dropped Cooper off as gospel truth, but because they were trying to correct the untrue assertion that RH never said he thought he dropped Cooper off.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?320542-Trial-Ross-Harris-7&p=12908434#post12908434

 

[PaperDoll]

Hi all, I'm new in town. Nice to meet everyone! I've been lurking for weeks now as I've become increasingly obsessed with this awful, awful case. I really admire the intelligent, well-thought out opinions from all sides and look forward to contributing to this site. :greetings:

While I initially thought that Cooper's death was an accident (due to FBS, which I do believe is a valid syndrome), I am now leaning towards the "accident" being a completely intentional act (i.e. malice murder). A major factor in the tipping of the scales for me was viewing the video footage of JRH at the police station. He asks about the whereabouts of his vehicle which implies to me that he would have had no problem being released from the station and driving himself home IN THE SAME VEHICLE THAT HIS SON JUST DIED IN. If it were me, I would never want to see that car again. Period.


Also, JRH's confident posture and willingness to engage in small talk while being questioned by Stoddard raises red flags for me. And there is just something about the whole "I appreciate the courtesy" exchange that does not sit right.


Then again, I don't feel Leanna Taylor is responsible to any degree regarding Cooper's death despite her lack of emotion/bizarre behavior in the same video footage (when she calmly composes a text message to the lawyer friend in Alabama I got chills) in addition to LE reports of "no tears" upon notification of Cooper's death. I don't have an eloquent, fact-based theory on why JRH's strange behavior implicates him in my mind but not LT, I'm just glad I'm not on that jury as I can't even imagine how difficult these deliberations are going to be.

WELCOME :wagon:Thank you for your input.. At first I didn't really know what to think with Leanna. I understand people react differently in certain situations. However, I think MOST people would be devastated learning their child had died. After viewing the video with Leanna and Ross and listening to her conversation with LE, I do believe she didn't want to dwell on her son being dead. It may have been too much at that time to handle so she pushed it aside and wanted to find out from Ross what actually happened. When she saw Ross break down, she probably felt she needed to be STRONG and comfort him while not knowing all the facts yet. She also wasn't the one who was "in charge" of Cooper that morning, Ross was and Ross is the one who left Cooper in the car that day. If Leanna was in charge this would not have happened. When I was listening to Leanna talk to LE, she was neither here nor there, maybe in shock???. I really don't think it hit her until much later when she had time to really let it sink in. Leanna was also cleared, and I do think LE may have been suspicious of her because of her lack of emotions for Cooper.
I re-watched the interview with Ross and LE (I have time on my hands right now, hubby isn't here bugging me to hurry up:loveyou:..lol) and the more I watch it, the guiltier Ross becomes, if that is even possible. While Leanna and Ross had some strange behavior during this time, Ross is the one, IMO, who seemed like he was trying really hard to cover up, and was trying hard to produce emotions. The only time I believe his emotions were genuine, was when he saw Leanna, AND I believe it's because he just found out he was being charged with child cruelty.

I also noticed his demeanor really changed, like he was shocked when Stoddard told him that he was being charged. Ross, IMO, was taken a back by that. I think he thought he was going to be let go, because after all he just gave his performance of leaving Cooper in the car as unintentional.

 

[Hope4More]

I too have noticed several rely on the "but he said it was an accident" defense. It was mostly during discussion of whether FBS fit. Granted, no one ever said they were "Team Ross" but I do recall being taken aback a time or two because of course he would claim it was an accident regardless of the circumstances. I just want you to know that you weren't imagining things, I read and perceived the same way as you.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

Huh? Must have missed that discussion, the one where anyone said they believed it was an accident because Ross said it was.

What I've seen here, for months, well before trial started, has been a non-stop analysis of what was known, whether or not what was known lined up better with accident or malice, and since trial began, whether or not the State has met it's burden to prove this was not an accident.

Don't understand, though, why anyone feels it's OK to question another's poster's right to think and post as they will, without having to defend themselves as not "LE-haters" or not "Ross sympathizers," or not knee jerk Ross believers, or not caring enough about Cooper, yada yada.

Sometimes people see things differently, that's all. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[MsMtOlympus]

Thanks all for the warm welcomes!! :blushing:

PaperDoll, that is a great assessment of Leanna's behavior and one which I couldn't quite articulate myself. I'm thinking that "Leanna in charge" mode was their standard dynamic throughout the relationship.

 

[watergirl62]

Thanks all for the warm welcomes!! :blushing:

PaperDoll, that is a great assessment of Leanna's behavior and one which I couldn't quite articulate myself. I'm thinking that "Leanna in charge" mode was their standard dynamic throughout the relationship.

I thought LH seemed very motherly to RH in the video and he seemed childlike/ immature/ emotionally needy. Not convinced he would really leave her. He had it all. SMH.

 

[monkeypants]

I think looking in the rear view mirror he might agree with you, however in the thick of things he felt smothered and trapped

I thought LH seemed very motherly to RH in the video and he seemed childlike/ immature/ emotionally needy. Not convinced he would really leave her. He had it all. SMH.