The Sidebar - Harris Trial

[JerseyGirl]

I thought the car seat was in evidence, but the doll isn't.

 

[tbum]

But they didn't ask for the car seat---just the doll, right? I thought that was weird.

They already have the car seat. It was entered into evidence.

 

[monkeypants]

I thought the car seat was in evidence, but the doll isn't.

That's what I thought as well

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[arkansasmimi]

Jen's Trial Diaries‏ @TrialDiariesJ
Judge said no on Cooper doll. Bet they wanted to put him in the car seat #hotcardeath #Rossharri

 

[TexMex]

The jurors also asked if they could see doll/dummy pictured in photos to represent Cooper Harris. Judge said no. @HarrisTrialFOX5

 

[GA_Peach]

Not FBS as such. But, Kilgore did spend about 15 minutes in opening discussing it in all but name, a preview of Brewer's testimony, which also didn't use the term but which did lay out all the elements of FBS.

I was interested how little emphasis Kilgore placed on the possibility in closing, but IMO that was because he wanted to focus the jury on the question of intent (that the State didn't meet it's burden of proof) rather than have the jury begin deliberations discussing whether or not it was possible for RH to have forgotten Cooper. Just a guess.

I know you know this, but opening and closing statements are not evidence. Based on the evidence presented during the trial, I don't see how the jurors even consider FBS as a possible explanation for Ross's actions.

 

[katydid23]

It sounds like they are trying to determine or to come to agreement about whether he could see the baby in the car seat or not---thus whether he could have forgotten him or not?

They might be very similar as a group as we are here on WS. ....somewhat divided in terms of our POV ?

 

[MsJosie]

Jen's Trial Diaries‏ @TrialDiariesJ
Judge said no on Cooper doll. Bet they wanted to put him in the car seat #hotcardeath #Rossharri

They can make a doll out of sweaters or other clothing!? They have Coopers measurements it would not be hard to do that. They may not have a ruler but they can use the joint measurement on their index finger....it is about an inch. There are ways to get around the 'no doll'. They want to see just how much higher Cooper sat over the back of the baby car seat.

 

[Bc007]

Wanting to see the doll makes me think they aren't in agreement that it wasn't an accident so they want to determine if it's possible he wasn't visible from the back. Seeing him at lunch would also help determine if it was an accident I guess.

 

[Hope4More]

I know you know this, but opening and closing statements are not evidence. Based on the evidence presented during the trial, I don't see how the jurors even consider FBS as a possible explanation for Ross's actions.

Brewer's testimony was evidence, and imo, compelling evidence, up to the point of the cues, where imo he went a bit wobbly.

 

[katydid23]

They can make a doll out of sweaters or other clothing!? They have Coopers measurements it would not be hard to do that. They may not have a ruler but they can use the joint measurement on their index finger....it is about an inch. There are ways to get around the 'no doll'. They want to see just how much higher Cooper sat over the back of the baby car seat.

I don't think they are allowed to do anything like that. If I understand correctly, jurors are not allowed to 'create' their own experiments or recreate anything during deliberations. Or am I incorrect?

 

[Kittybunny]

If I was a juror, one of the key questions up for deliberation would be if Ross could see or hear Cooper on the way from CFA to HD. If they believe he could, there is no possible "forgetting". If he couldn't, then it's all up for debate. I wonder if that's what wanting the doll is about.

 

[katydid23]

Wanting to see the doll makes me think they aren't in agreement that it wasn't an accident so they want to determine if it's possible he wasn't visible from the back. Seeing him at lunch would also help determine if it was an accident I guess.

I agree. They may have done a quick poll and figured out where they were not in agreement.

 

[ScotAng]

I missed the questions.

So they still want the transcript of that interview. Did she make it clear they won't get them?

 

[katydid23]

If I was a juror, one of the key questions up for deliberation would be if Ross could see or hear Cooper on the way from CFA to HD. If they believe he could, there is no possible "forgetting". If he couldn't, then it's all up for debate. I wonder if that's what wanting the doll is about.

YEP. Pretty much what has been discussed here ad infinitum. illowfight:

 

[MsJosie]

Such a happy huge smile and RH even fist bumped his lawyers. He thinks he will go free....he is not even looking at the time he will get for sexting with under age females! GRRRRR.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-arguments-jury-prepares-discuss-verdict.html

 

[arkansasmimi]

Grr this tablet is wearing me out sorry.

Didn't Kilgore tell them to look at def photos re the photos taken with the doll (1st) they may forget there was 2dolls too. & The photo of Cooper that Leanna Mother took?

 

[GA_Peach]

Brewer's testimony was evidence, and imo, compelling evidence, up to the point of the cues, where imo he went a bit wobbly.

Absolutely, but Dr. Brewer did not suggest that this was FBS. He made a brief mention of false memories.

 

[katydid23]

Such a happy huge smile and RH even fist bumped his lawyers. He thinks he will go free....he is not even looking at the time he will get for sexting with under age females! GRRRRR.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-arguments-jury-prepares-discuss-verdict.html

Ross does seem very upbeat lately. His attorneys must be feeling pretty good about their case so far. Are they telling him that things are looking good for him?

 

[GA_Peach]

The doll speaks to the malice murder charge IMO.