The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Balthazar]

I've never tried to find any reversals on JB. I haven't looked for any reversals on GA either.

When this story initially broke I analyzed Cindy's audio for reversals to see if she might actually have known what was going on, and was covering for her daughter. As many will recall her comments about Casey seemed a bit off. Cindy's reversals indicated she was telling the truth, and did not know what was going on with her granddaughter. During the hearing for bail, one of Cindy's reversals indicated at that time she believed Caylee was dead.

(Question: Has this whole thing created a bit of confusion for you?)
Not about that. Confusion about other things, but certainly not Casey's love for Caylee.
Helps me through that. I believe she died.

The defense has said very little and what they have said has been on camera. I would love to see reversals on their comments!

 

[countzero]

Nope, I meant what I wrote. Also, don't believe a word LA utters either.

Until this evidence is released to the public it is a moot subject to me at the moment. Time will tell.

 

[USARDOG]

Now why on earth would kc give keys out to people??? If any of them ever walked in on CA, she would have a cow and grab her hammer, GA would grab his gun out of the spare tire in his car, and the little dogs would yap all the way to town!

No, this would not be a good idea. Besides, kc liked to keep her friends at a distance so she was free to change her lies between them. If they were to get together and discuss what she had said, say drop over unexpectedly and have a key to let themselves in, she would have been outed in a New York minute.

 

[SoSueMe]

Now why on earth would kc give keys out to people??? If any of them ever walked in on CA, she would have a cow and grab her hammer, GA would grab his gun out of the spare tire in his car, and the little dogs would yap all the way to town!

I don't think KC would give out keys. She wouldn't even bring any of her friends to the house. Amy certainly wanted to go see the house she would be moving into and according to CA, she asked KC all the time to bring her boyfriend Jeff H. by so she could meet him.

I've often wondered, who, of her many friends, is missing a Tiffany ring.

 

[Brini]

Now why on earth would kc give keys out to people??? If any of them ever walked in on CA, she would have a cow and grab her hammer, GA would grab his gun out of the spare tire in his car, and the little dogs would yap all the way to town!

No, this would not be a good idea. Besides, kc liked to keep her friends at a distance so she was free to change her lies between them. If they were to get together and discuss what she had said, say drop over unexpectedly and have a key to let themselves in, she would have been outed in a New York minute.

True. KC does what is called, "splitting," telling different people different stories. One keeps people compartmentalized, to maintain the various storylines.

Almost all Axis IIs do it.

 

[Brini]

I don't think KC would give out keys. She wouldn't even bring any of her friends to the house. Amy certainly wanted to go see the house she would be moving into and according to CA, she asked KC all the time to bring her boyfriend Jeff H. by so she could meet him.

I've often wondered, who, of her many friends, is missing a Tiffany ring.

Yes, the Tiffany ring. Great minds run in the same gutters. ;-) I've been thinking about to whom that might have belonged.

 

[Jolynna]

OK, I've got it now. My only question now would be, if her car smelled so bad, why would she want to get it back?

Maybe she thought she would have a chance to really clean the car with Tony out of town for a few days?

I don't think Casey wanted to clean her stinky car with Tony around to ask questions like... "Who died?"

 

[whiteangora]

Maybe she thought she would have a chance to really clean the car with Tony out of town for a few days?

I don't think Casey wanted to clean her stinky car with Tony around to ask questions like... "Who died?"

This has probably been covered many times, sorry for the repeat if that's the case. IF a dead Caylee was in Casey's trunk from the 16th to let's say the 19th, and IF some fluids had leaked in the car, the smell would have been unbearable by the 26th. Considering how decomposition odor permeates everything imaginable, how did Casey avoid the smell permeating her, her hair, her clothes? This is a smell worse than skunk to try to wash away. Her car must have already been pretty stinky by about the 23 and just sitting inside of it makes me think she would have absorbed lots of fumes.

 

[countzero]

This has probably been covered many times, sorry for the repeat if that's the case. IF a dead Caylee was in Casey's trunk from the 16th to let's say the 19th, and IF some fluids had leaked in the car, the smell would have been unbearable by the 26th. Considering how decomposition odor permeates everything imaginable, how did Casey avoid the smell permeating her, her hair, her clothes? This is a smell worse than skunk to try to wash away. Her car must have already been pretty stinky by about the 23 and just sitting inside of it makes me think she would have absorbed lots of fumes.

Agreed, it is likely that she went back to the A's when CA wasn't there. Tossed her clothes in a bag, walked butt naked to the shower and back off to TL's. IIRC, CA stated during her text and phone calls with KC, CA said some to the effect questioning KC why she would return to the A's when she wasn't home. :doh:

I doubt that CA kept track of KC's clothing removal during the 31 days of "bondage, oops bonding KC was doing to, oops with Caylee".

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

This has probably been covered many times, sorry for the repeat if that's the case. IF a dead Caylee was in Casey's trunk from the 16th to let's say the 19th, and IF some fluids had leaked in the car, the smell would have been unbearable by the 26th. Considering how decomposition odor permeates everything imaginable, how did Casey avoid the smell permeating her, her hair, her clothes? This is a smell worse than skunk to try to wash away. Her car must have already been pretty stinky by about the 23 and just sitting inside of it makes me think she would have absorbed lots of fumes.

Hmmm. And how many people stood next to her car that week? Tony on the 23rd, IIRC, George on the 24th, the Amscott employee on the 28th. Two days after unbearable should have reached unforgettable according to the "laws of physics" being supported here.

 

[whiteangora]

Agreed, it is likely that she went back to the A's when CA wasn't there. Tossed her clothes in a bag, walked butt naked to the shower and back off to TL's. IIRC, CA stated during her text and phone calls with KC, CA said some to the effect questioning KC why she would return to the A's when she wasn't home. :doh:

I doubt that CA kept track of KC's clothing removal during the 31 days of "bondage, oops bonding KC was doing to, oops with Caylee".

I hope we get some answers during the trial, I have never seen anything like this(case) where the more you learn the less you know.

 

[countzero]

I hope we get some answers during the trial, I have never seen anything like this(case) where the more you learn the less you know.

Ain't this the truth. Hopefully when the trial does roll around, someone will have published a Cliff notebook from here so we can keep track of who said what and when.

And I thought the Beltway Sniper case was bad.

 

[USARDOG]

Hmmm. And how many people stood next to her car that week? Tony on the 23rd, IIRC, George on the 24th, the Amscott employee on the 28th. Two days after unbearable should have reached unforgettable according to the "laws of physics" being supported here.

Are you taking into consideration that Caylee was "triple bagged?" We don't know how much fluid came through, it might have been very, very little.

we also don't know if the trunk in that care communicates with the passenger compartment or not.

 

[Marina2]

KC admitted that her car had the stench of death to it on the 25th of June. GA wouldn't admit to smelling anything on the 24th whether he did or not. The guy who towed the vehicle said he had a cold and probably wouldn't be able to smell anything if there was an odor. I don't know why TL didn't smell anything. Maybe the gas fumes overwhelmed the odor. It may have been the wind direction or where he was standing in relation to the trunk. At any rate, the car smelled bad on the 25th or KC wouldn't have texted AH and told her about it.

 

[Brini]

KC admitted that her car had the stench of death to it on the 25th of June. GA wouldn't admit to smelling anything on the 24th whether he did or not. The guy who towed the vehicle said he had a cold and probably wouldn't be able to smell anything if there was an odor. I don't know why TL didn't smell anything. Maybe the gas fumes overwhelmed the odor. It may have been the wind direction or where he was standing in relation to the trunk. At any rate, the car smelled bad on the 25th or KC wouldn't have texted AH and told her about it.

Well, GA said that even with all the windows down, driving with the stench was difficult. He also told LE how much the stench disconcerted him-- just before he puked into a waste basket.

LA spoke of the awfulness of the stench to LE. CA said it smelled like a damned dead body.

And, the tow yard manager said the car smelled JUST like the time a guy shot himself in one of the cars.

TL said KC was standing a bit away from the car, with her stolen groceries.

 

[Brini]

Hmmm. And how many people stood next to her car that week? Tony on the 23rd, IIRC, George on the 24th, the Amscott employee on the 28th. Two days after unbearable should have reached unforgettable according to the "laws of physics" being supported here.

Well, two of the above three found it unforgettable. The other found KC standing away from the car.

KC didn't even pretend surprise at the odor, BTW. Just started making excuses for it.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

USARDOG

Are you taking into consideration that Caylee was "triple bagged?" We don't know how much fluid came through, it might have been very, very little.

we also don't know if the trunk in that care communicates with the passenger compartment or not.

The canvas bag didn't close, did it? I was of the understanding it has a wire rim that keeps it from closing so that would be two bags shut, one open with a vinyl liner. I was refering to Tony and George both standing at the corner of her trunk, Tony when bringing her gas the first time she rand out a few days earlier, and George the following day on the 24th. They had even better access to the odor if it was there at the time.

Mariana2, George had already admitted to a smell so I don't understand why you think he wouldn't have said so if it were there a month earlier. The way everyone is saying there is nothing that could cover that smell I don't see how anything less than hurricane force winds could cover it. That didn't arrive till the end of August. Casey talked about roadkill on her car. I find it highly unlikely that a person would kill her daughter, have the smell permeating her car space then tell a friend about the smell, especially when the friend wasn't there to smell it and question what it was. One way that might be possible, if Casey wanted to get busted and was leaving all sorts of clues and damning evidence.

Brini, that was long after Casey had any contact with the car, 2 weeks later. As for Casey standing there with groceries, you are referring to the day at Amscott. I am referring to the day he brought her gas, a little NW of her home.

 

[trafficsUP66]

I read on another thread today that there is a stinky pond over there also and the neighbor's said it always smells bad.

And, some people did notice and report the smell was worse in June/July. I'll look for the link.

 

[USARDOG]

USARDOG

......The canvas bag didn't close, did it? I was of the understanding it has a wire rim that keeps it from closing so that would be two bags shut, one open with a vinyl liner........

........Casey talked about roadkill on her car. I find it highly unlikely that a person would kill her daughter, have the smell permeating her car space then tell a friend about the smell, especially when the friend wasn't there to smell it and question what it was. One way that might be possible, if Casey wanted to get busted and was leaving all sorts of clues and damning evidence.

Your post edited for brevity.

I have to disagree here, this sounds exactly like what I think she would do. IMO, it was a pre-emptive strike to explain the stench.. Then she could say, see, I already told you about the smell.

Canvas bag yes, but don't forget the plastic trash bags that were included. I believe it was 2 plastic trash bags and the laundry bag, plus some bedding from the house. It's a wonder the smell got out at all!

 

[Marina2]

USARDOG

The canvas bag didn't close, did it? I was of the understanding it has a wire rim that keeps it from closing so that would be two bags shut, one open with a vinyl liner. I was refering to Tony and George both standing at the corner of her trunk, Tony when bringing her gas the first time she rand out a few days earlier, and George the following day on the 24th. They had even better access to the odor if it was there at the time.

Mariana2, George had already admitted to a smell so I don't understand why you think he wouldn't have said so if it were there a month earlier. The way everyone is saying there is nothing that could cover that smell I don't see how anything less than hurricane force winds could cover it. That didn't arrive till the end of August. Casey talked about roadkill on her car. I find it highly unlikely that a person would kill her daughter, have the smell permeating her car space then tell a friend about the smell, especially when the friend wasn't there to smell it and question what it was. One way that might be possible, if Casey wanted to get busted and was leaving all sorts of clues and damning evidence.

Brini, that was long after Casey had any contact with the car, 2 weeks later. As for Casey standing there with groceries, you are referring to the day at Amscott. I am referring to the day he brought her gas, a little NW of her home.

By the time GA admitted to a smell, there was no denying it...the man at the tow yard smelled it, CA smelled it and related this on her 911 call, LA smelled it and stated so in his interview, and LE had the car with the smell. I think he would deny smelling it a month earlier because there was no one that would dispute his story. I think he would deny it to make a point that there was no smell so, no body. I think he would do this to cover for his daughter so that she, in the least, wouldn't spend the rest of her life in prison. HTH you understand why I think he would deny smelling anything on the 24th even though he admitted it a month later. I personally don't know how bad it smelled that week. I only know how bad those who smelled it after it was picked up from the towyard said it smelled and I know that KC said her car smelled like death on the 25th.

I don't find it unlikely at all that KC would begin to make excuses for the smell in her trunk if she thought there was no way that she could keep her friends from noticing it. She isn't likely to say it was Caylee they were smelling. If she thought GA smelled it, I don't think it's unlikely that she would begin to text friends about the odor in an effort to make some kind of record of what the smell was in case she was ever confronted with questions regarding it.