The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Phumi]

Read the interviews of all the subjects that LE met with and consider if they are deeply detailed focusing on the subject being interviewed or if they focused on Casey. It is very plain that LE fixed upon Casey the day they first met her and focused heavily on her in all interviews. While they may have considered other suspects briefly, perhaps as conspirators, LE did not research others in the kind of detail they subjected Casey to. This is because they arrested her so quickly that she hired a lawyer and stopped speaking to LE. Unfortunately, situations like this can be used by attorneys to create reasonable doubt in juries minds.

But we don't know this. All of the discovery has not been released. Further, you have already changed your argument from they considered no one else to they briefly considered others. So, how confident are you in this assertion? Aren't You making a RUSH TO JUDGEMENT about the police?

 

[countzero]

KC is an established liar and not only that but she is a secretive liar.

In her world and that of her family the following equations apply:

1 + 1 = 3 the SODDI theory

In the world of reality with proven forensics, LE and SA and in my world

1 + 1 = 2 KC did it

Now which math do you subscribe to and follow??????

 

[Clock's Tickin]

The thing that trips up most of the SODDI theories is that none can be substantiated due to KC's lies. Any theory is busted by what KC said prior to arrest and during investigative interviews, not to mention stories she told her family. However, we already know that KC is a liar. If her defense team acknowledges this, they can still run with any defense they want. They can preface everything with-My client is young, makes poor choices, and lies--this does not a murderess make!

 

[Phumi]

The thing that trips up most of the SODDI theories is that none can be substantiated due to KC's lies. Any theory is busted by what KC said prior to arrest and during investigative interviews, not to mention stories she told her family. However, we already know that KC is a liar. If her defense team acknowledges this, they can still run with any defense they want. They can preface everything with-My client is young, makes poor choices, and lies--this does not a murderess make!

I agree. They will try this, but it's going to be hard to dismiss her failure to report her daughter missing as merely a function of youth and poor decision making skills.

 

[USARDOG]

The police interview tapes will hurt a sod defense also. It will be hard to sell she was afraid of sod, trying to protect Caylee or her parents when she is so cool and calm with the police. She never shed a single tear, not a trace of fear or emotion in her voice. Ho hum... just another day in the park... this attitude will make it hard to sell a sod defense.

 

[Spangle]

Read the interviews of all the subjects that LE met with and consider if they are deeply detailed focusing on the subject being interviewed or if they focused on Casey. It is very plain that LE fixed upon Casey the day they first met her and focused heavily on her in all interviews. While they may have considered other suspects briefly, perhaps as conspirators, LE did not research others in the kind of detail they subjected Casey to. This is because they arrested her so quickly that she hired a lawyer and stopped speaking to LE. Unfortunately, situations like this can be used by attorneys to create reasonable doubt in juries minds.

Since the family (including KC) agreed that she was the last person to see KC... Who besides KC should the LE been talking to?

What happened to KC the first day, is pretty standard. It's called "Questioning" of witnesses. She wasn't the only person questioned at first.

Cause the way I read the first day, they HAD to focus on KC the first day. To get her story, to pick her head for any information they might give them. So they can track down that baby.

That focus on the first day wasn't because she was real suspect. Everyone is considered a suspect at first. But because she was the last known witness, she is considered to have the most useful information. Normally that would have given them something to start with. That would lead to others involved to talk with. But the LE was stuck with KC, cause she didn't give them anything but lies. They questioned her some more, and they got more lies. They followed every lead she gave them. Not to 'catch her'. But to find the baby. To recreate the picture. To find other witnesses to the event, etc. Hoping that it would lead to the persons who took her.

IT is from the questioning that the LE get their leads to track down others to question. To find evidence, etc. Other wise, why didn't they question you or me? They don't just go grabbing folks of the street, in any ole town, and start questioning them.

KC talked to the LE alot, and gave them lots of info to check out, before she was considered a prime suspect. Even when the LE was calling her on her lies, doesn't mean they considered her the prime suspect yet. But pointing out she is lying in hopes she will tell the truth. Which would give them info to find the baby.

We can't blame the LE for not coming up with SODDI. They followed the leads given them.

Which brings me back to my point. It isn't that you can't discuss SODDI besides KC. It's just that when you make an insinuation that the LE focused only on KC that first day, and use THAT as the bases of your theory.. you need to expand upon that more. Since the point of this thread is to discuss SODDI, any theorys are going to be picked apart to figure out how probable it is. Since you have thought about this, what should the cops have done?

 

[songline]

OK I hear you;
Can you see this scenario ???
Casey is selling drugs in a club, the supplier does not get paid because she spent the money. She keeps on coming back short all the time, he says no more supply till you pay up in full. She says OK just one more time - here you hold on to caylee be back soon with all the money.
she goes out and does not bring back all the money, becasue she cant get it all....JUST SAYING don't jump me...It can happen...He has his way with the baby and kills her, because she will talk.
Now this supplier is hooked up with a bigger fish one who we have read about a drug bad guy who does not want to get pulled into any of this mess at all, he has more at stake and begins to offer the "A"s resources knowing they are strapped for money.
And they add that Casey will go down otherwise;
NOW: a plan is hatched to clean up and time goes by to let the body decompose, and nobody talks.
The part that is hard for me to swallow is Casey killing the baby. (not saying she did not do it)
All the rest of their dispicable unethical life style is transparent.

 

[Spangle]

Well it would make sense that LE considered the people that were questioned with a lie dectector test as possible suspects.

The LD test is an investigation tool. One doesn't have to take it, for it to be effective. IT's one of those tools that is used, just to see what folks will say. Like the case of the A's, why did they refuse to take it? Hmmm... It raised a red flag to the investigators by them refusing to take it.

It is useless in court. The investigators know that. It's a mind trick. Part of the trick is to see who will and who will not take it. Inexperienced persons are more likely to confess to things while hooked up to the monitors, that they wouldn't confess to.

You have the right not to take one and it can not be used against you.. Sorta. It just means that everyone will assume your guilty or are hidding something. It's called peer pressure.

Early on, the LE was desperate to find that baby and any info about that baby. Asking folks if they will take the test, cleared the field on who was honest and who was hidding something. IMHO. That info doesn't mean they are hidding guilt. But could be hiding stuff that might help with the investigation.

Hence, I don't consider them asking anyone to take the test as a sign that they really are suspects. It might be a tactic the LE are using. Also, insinuating that a person might be a suspect, is also a tactic. To get folks to "tell' more, to make sure they are 'cleared.'

 

[Spangle]

But, we have not yet heard whom you suspect, and what evidence there is that could implicate that person.

Who is your SODDI, and what is the evidence? Thanks!

Which is the point of this thread. I'm starting to be concerned that the point is to close this thread, without discussion of her theory. While claiming that she isn't allowed her express her view.

I want to discuss SODDI. It's the Libra side of me. Tee hee.. I dont' feel we covered all bases, unless we honestly discuss SODDI.

 

[nephers]

OK I hear you;
Can you see this scenario ???
Casey is selling drugs in a club, the supplier does not get paid because she spent the money. She keeps on coming back short all the time, he says no more supply till you pay up in full. She says OK just one more time - here you hold on to caylee be back soon with all the money.
she goes out and does not bring back all the money, becasue she cant get it all....JUST SAYING don't jump me...It can happen...He has his way with the baby and kills her, because she will talk.
Now this supplier is hooked up with a bigger fish one who we have read about a drug bad guy who does not want to get pulled into any of this mess at all, he has more at stake and begins to offer the "A"s resources knowing they are strapped for money.
And they add that Casey will go down otherwise;
NOW: a plan is hatched to clean up and time goes by to let the body decompose, and nobody talks.
The part that is hard for me to swallow is Casey killing the baby. (not saying she did not do it)
All the rest of their dispicable unethical life style is transparent.

Ok, I'll bite and add to this....

Let's just say (for the sake of arguement, not that I really believe this) KC does leave Caylee with someone else, wheither a true "nanny" or drug dealer, etc. She thinks Caylee is "safe" and continues on with her life. The car runs out of gas at Amscott. Let's just say this other person kills Caylee, sees the car at Amscott and puts the body in the trunk. Correct me if I am wrong but the decomp evidence puts the body in the trunk for 2.6 days but doesn't specify which 2.6 days. It could be argued that the body was in the car while it was at Amscott for three days. The person that KC is afraid of breaks into the car, puts the body in, for whatever reason moves the body to the eventual spot it is found. KC has no idea this has happened, thinks Caylee is still safe, doesn't call police, is truely afraid for Caylee, herself, her family and continues to remain silent about who had Caylee.

Now, it's been said that's it's hard to break into a car. Yes it is but can be done. I once locked my keys in my car. It took three of us over an hour to finally get it opened. I got it with a coat hanger and it was a big pain in the butt. I have never broken into a car before and was able to do it (it was probably a fluke and doubt I could do it again), someone with more experience could easily do it.

I actually just chuckled at myself while rereading this but you never know.

 

[Spangle]

But have you tried to break into a trunk??

Does that car have a leaver to popping the trunk open? IF it does, does it work?

If it doesn't have a leaver to open the trunk (or broke) then it doesn't matter if someone broke into the main part of the car. They would have to be able to break into the trunk. Which I think would be harder then using a jim stick. Ok, I know it would. It would have to be picked or a new key made.

 

[nephers]

But have you tried to break into a trunk??

Does that car have a leaver to popping the trunk open? IF it does, does it work?

If it doesn't have a leaver to open the trunk (or broke) then it doesn't matter if someone broke into the main part of the car. They would have to be able to break into the trunk. Which I think would be harder then using a jim stick. Ok, I know it would. It would have to be picked or a new key made.

I believe KC's car had a hatch back trunk so it wouldn't be necessary to get in through the trunk, just open the doors and climb back...

Again, I know it's a stretch.

 

[USARDOG]

OK I hear you;
Can you see this scenario ???
Casey is selling drugs in a club, the supplier does not get paid because she spent the money. She keeps on coming back short all the time, he says no more supply till you pay up in full. She says OK just one more time - here you hold on to caylee be back soon with all the money.
she goes out and does not bring back all the money, becasue she cant get it all....JUST SAYING don't jump me...It can happen...He has his way with the baby and kills her, because she will talk.
Now this supplier is hooked up with a bigger fish one who we have read about a drug bad guy who does not want to get pulled into any of this mess at all, he has more at stake and begins to offer the "A"s resources knowing they are strapped for money.
And they add that Casey will go down otherwise;
NOW: a plan is hatched to clean up and time goes by to let the body decompose, and nobody talks.
The part that is hard for me to swallow is Casey killing the baby. (not saying she did not do it)
All the rest of their dispicable unethical life style is transparent.

Well, it's a great movie script, but has no basis in fact for this case. No evidence of drug selling by KC. No one to come forward to say they saw her selling, no trail of money. People who sell drugs, unless it's a very hard drug and they are using, have a LOT of cash... KC didn't have any, except what she stole from her parents and friends.

As far as breaking into cars... The passenger compartment is the easy part, getting into the trunk... Now that's the trick. That is why one is told to put your valuables into the trunk when you go into the mall. To get into the trunk takes special tools, experience, and skill... Or, a big fat crow bar.

 

[countzero]

IIRC, LE had the gas gauge tested and it was in working order and the car locks had no indication of a break in. What I haven't read or remember reading is how many keys there are and who had possession of them and where. I know JG stated he did NOT have a key.

 

[MAMABEAR]

KC grew up with CA blaming e-body and their dog for the A's mistakes. If there was somebody out there who killed baby Caylee, the A's and KC would be singin from the roof-tops. They aren't! She ain't gonna miss her "party" life to sit in jail for some other slug. She is the slug and can't lie her way out of it. They have had a year to find a lie to fit and they still haven't come up with anythang that works. There is one slug connected to Caylee's death and the slug in is jail.

 

[USARDOG]

KC grew up with CA blaming e-body and their dog for the A's mistakes. If there was somebody out there who killed baby Caylee, the A's and KC would be singin from the roof-tops. They aren't! She ain't gonna miss her "party" life to sit in jail for some other slug. She is the slug and can't lie her way out of it. They have had a year to find a lie to fit and they still haven't come up with anythang that works. There is one slug connected to Caylee's death and the slug in is jail.

Try as we might, we haven't even been able to come up with an SOD story that is even close to a fit. it's gonn'a take some serious lawryer'n to get kc out of this one. I am quite sure jb isn't up to it... and have serious doubts anyone else on her team is.

The only sod that even comes close is CA. KC could say she made up all that Zanny stuff in an attempt to cover up for what CA had done. I don't think CA would go for this...

 

[countzero]

Try as we might, we haven't even been able to come up with an SOD story that is even close to a fit. it's gonn'a take some serious lawryer'n to get kc out of this one. I am quite sure jb isn't up to it... and have serious doubts anyone else on her team is.

The only sod that even comes close is CA. KC could say she made up all that Zanny stuff in an attempt to cover up for what CA had done. I don't think CA would go for this...

Which is why I keep going back to my theory that CA/GA knew it happened immediately and went into cover mode. I have tried to work any other plausible SODDI so it matches the docs, but try as I might I can't. Just when one piece would fit, a piece of evidence discredits.

And, if we as sleuths can discredit a SODDI just with the evidence disclosed to the public, I can imagine the evidence LE/SA has that does prove there is not a SODDI freely running around Orlando or the state.

Of course since I am not a manipulating, telling mis-truths, control freak who belittles every person around me, I cannot for the all the money in my bank account, figure out exactly what happened during that 31 day period. I betcha LE can and has though.

So you are right, it isn't an SODDI, or LKB's attempt to discredit the forensic evidence that will help KC. It will be seasoned and talented attorney's using their knowledge of the legal system to minimize her sentence at best.

 

[USARDOG]

Count, I whole heartedly agree with your assesment. That said, I had the same conclusion about the OJ trial just before the jury verdict. JC played that innercity jury like a violin. Change of venue will be very important in this case also. They need to look for a poor, uneducated part of the state, and hope the jurors can't follow the evidence.

 

[Gaia713]

Count, I whole heartedly agree with your assesment. That said, I had the same conclusion about the OJ trial just before the jury verdict. JC played that innercity jury like a violin. Change of venue will be very important in this case also. They need to look for a poor, uneducated part of the state, and hope the jurors can't follow the evidence.

Why do you think Jose wants Miami - so he can sway the Latin jurors. They will not go that far away imo. Of course, Baez is gonna look for people of his intellect. Hopefully there are not that many idiots in FL.

 

[Spangle]

Why do you think Jose wants Miami - so he can sway the Latin jurors. They will not go that far away imo. Of course, Baez is gonna look for people of his intellect. Hopefully there are not that many idiots in FL.

Ah? Just because folks in Miami is more likely to be Hispanic, doesn't mean they will fit this picture.

"They need to look for a poor, uneducated part of the state, and hope the jurors can't follow the evidence."

Hispanic is most likely the worse choice for her. She is claiming a Hispanic woman took the child. And she is showing no proof. There was a day where whites got away with making claims against minoritys and not have to 'prove' it. A white's word was good enough. Not any more. And is now considered offensive.