The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #6

[Hurricane]

I think it is normal for people to want to connect CMW to The Springfield Three.

Just like they did Tommy Lynn Sells, Larry DeWayne Hall and Christopher Revak to name a few. But they always overlook the lack of any evidence. Without any evidence it's just more of the same old hot air.

 

[CaliMama]

CaliMama, I haven't read all the 3MW threads, yet, but do you know or remember hearing if LE collected any fingerprints from the house on Delmar that weren't identifiable at the time?

From my understanding, there was no DNA evidence and/or fingerprints found in the home that didn't belong there.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

From my understanding, there was no DNA evidence and/or fingerprints found in the home that didn't belong there.

Thanks, CaliMama. (Back to reading threads!)

 

[Missouri Mule]

From my understanding, there was no DNA evidence and/or fingerprints found in the home that didn't belong there.

That begs the question. Were any of the known individuals in that house or were known to be there at some point involved?

 

[CaliMama]

That begs the question. Were any of the known individuals in that house or were known to be there at some point involved?

I don't know. I was hoping that there would be some kind of break in this case by now and yes, I admit, I was also hoping that CMW was that break. He more than likely isn't, but every stone should still be turned over just to make sure. People don't just start kidnapping and killing people at the age of 45.

 

[Hurricane]

From my understanding, there was no DNA evidence and/or fingerprints found in the home that didn't belong there.

I don't think we know about any DNA but I would do a fact check on prints. I seem to recall there was a partial print recovered that was never identified (or was that in the Texas School book Depository? LOL!)

 

[Hurricane]

I don't know. I was hoping that there would be some kind of break in this case by now and yes, I admit, I was also hoping that CMW was that break. He more than likely isn't, but every stone should still be turned over just to make sure. People don't just start kidnapping and killing people at the age of 45.

If the cops are dirty as some posters have maintained for years, Christopher Revak would have been the perfect patsy to close this case on because he committed suicide while waiting in jail on other charges. All the cops would have had to do was manufacture some evidence, say it was him and case closed. But they didn't do that.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

If the cops are dirty as some posters have maintained for years, Christopher Revak would have been the perfect patsy to close this case on because he committed suicide while waiting in jail on other charges. All the cops would have had to do was manufacture some evidence, say it was him and case closed. But they didn't do that.

If a cop or cops were 'dirty' concerning being the perps of this one particular case maybe (though still pretty unlikely, IMO). But if the cops were 'dirty' in the sense of being themselves involved in, say, the exchange of pornographic material which happened to include minors, then IMO it'd be far less complicated and less risky simply to leave an unsolved case unsolved (IF probing too far led into those waters).

I doubt the involvement of LE in the abduction of the three women. I wish I could be as sure that the second scenario couldn't be true, though. To me it seems there is an alarming number of RSO living in Springfield, and an unusual number of them concern possession or distribution of child . I've clicked on a number of those icons--(RSOs even relocating from other states where their offense occured to live in Springfield...why?) I wouldn't find it hard to believe that one or more cops view or even internet (men from virtually all professions do this). It is a tiny jump from there into was is classified "underage" or child --the difference in a year. I can easily envision a situation where LE have perhaps even inadvertently gotten involved in that, and where that could conceivably compromise things in sexual offense cases.

No evidence, Hurricane (in anticipation of your question). No accusations that this is what is happening with the SPD, either. I don't get the impression that any one specific person is 'dirty' there (least of all the current Chief). JMO that things may not be quite as cut and dry as you've expressed, and I do wonder at the number of RSOs living in the area.

 

[Hurricane]

Poir -- This sub forum and my comments are about the 3MW case. I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Poir -- This sub forum and my comments are about the 3MW case. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was replying to your quoted post, Hurricane. (Which I presume was about the 3MW case.)

 

[Hurricane]

I was replying to your quoted post, Hurricane. (Which I presume was about the 3MW case.)

Wow...just wow. You make some broad generalizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the 3MW case then. Thanks for the exchange. I'm out.

 

[CaliMama]

I don't think we know about any DNA but I would do a fact check on prints. I seem to recall there was a partial print recovered that was never identified (or was that in the Texas School book Depository? LOL!)

See, that's what I thought I remembered regarding the partial print Hurricane, but then I searched the threads (using the keyword fingerprints) and came up with a quote from a Kansas City newspaper that said [paraphrased] "no DNA or fingerprints were found that belonged to outsiders." The term "outsiders" was discussed a bit and everyone agreed that it was somewhat of an ambiguous term.

 

[Hurricane]

See, that's what I thought I remembered regarding the partial print Hurricane, but then I searched the threads (using the keyword fingerprints) and came up with a quote from a Kansas City newspaper that said [paraphrased] "no DNA or fingerprints were found that belonged to outsiders." The term "outsiders" was discussed a bit and everyone agreed that it was somewhat of an ambiguous term.

I won't be home for about another month and I don't have my files with me so I am working from memory, but I seem to recall that it had been established that an unidentified partial print had been found. Maybe this was evidence originally held back? I don't recall. Or your documentation may be correct and there is no unidentified print.

I do recall that it has been discussed at various times that if LE does have DNA then it could tend to exonerate most of the usual suspects since no arrests have been made (no match), but not necessarily all. A case could be made by some of the original suspects for their being in the house before and the DNA in and of itself would not be enough to make a case in court.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Happened to notice on the first page of thread 4 today that there was a partial "unidentified" fingerprint recovered.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Wow...just wow. You make some broad generalizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the 3MW case then. Thanks for the exchange. I'm out.

I didn't come to any conclusions, therefore prefer to think of it as brainstorming for (IMO) plausible scenarios. But completely understand if you want to bow out; no problem.

 

[jggordo]

It seems to me that there has been new information, new DNA, and also a refreshed interest into this case. I am not a lawyer or specialist in any way. However, to look at this case and others outstanding could be paramount to feeling that we "know it all".

What we are here "I believe" is to look for answers rather than "believe" we have them. Sometimes you look at the same room, and can't see the dirt in the corner any longer.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

Regarding Craig Woods, what does anybody know about his physical appearance in June '92? How would that compare to the composite sketches that were done early on in the case of the 3MW? Can the infamous green van be attributed to CW somehow?

I'm sure my inquiry seems trivial compared to the vast amounts of research being poured into this case, but my curiosity comes from the six year old boy in me that moved to Springfield from Pleasant Hope in the summer of '92. I remember the posters everywhere, the various updates on the radio, the now yearly segment on the 10 o'clock news....and still nothing solid has emerged.

Praying for a breakthrough.

 

[Hurricane]

Happened to notice on the first page of thread 4 today that there was a partial "unidentified" fingerprint recovered.

The source for that information on the print was probably revealed & discussed in thread #2 or #3 but I will have that documentation filed at home.

 

[Hurricane]

It seems to me that there has been new information, new DNA, and also a refreshed interest into this case. I am not a lawyer or specialist in any way. However, to look at this case and others outstanding could be paramount to feeling that we "know it all".

What we are here "I believe" is to look for answers rather than "believe" we have them. Sometimes you look at the same room, and can't see the dirt in the corner any longer.

Could you elaborate on this "new DNA"?

 

[Hurricane]

What we are here "I believe" is to look for answers rather than "believe" we have them. Sometimes you look at the same room, and can't see the dirt in the corner any longer.

To bring this case to the point were LE could make arrests and the PA obtain a conviction in a court of law requires a little more evidence. Only a few pieces seem to be missing but will they ever be found? I just don't know. At some point the PA may have to just take his best shot and that time may be near. But you don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

In no time the latest boogie man that everyone is trying to hook up for this 3MW case will be forgotten (as to this case anyway) and the drive-by posters who know little about the facts of this case will disappear, and those of us who do will be left to work the evidence as we always have. You work the evidence; not the suspect. "JMO"