The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[nursebeeme]

ANN-TX

thank you for all the links!

 

[katiecoolady]

Good morning!

I am catching up...a little confusing on IS this am as Jodi's in that green shirt she wore the last day .

I heard Christi Paul say people were guessing Jodi didn't know the camera was in the wash and had gotten it caught up in the clothing when she grabbed them to put in the wash.

I disagree with that. I think she was trying to destroy any fingerprint evidence on the camera and just thought her deleted photos were gone forever.

Also the fact that someone stayed long enough to do the frikkin laundry (at least one full wash cycle then reload the washer) is someone who was very comfortable in that home.

Did Martinez point that out in his closing?

 

[katiecoolady]

Of course, each of us is responsible for our own conduct. All I'm saying is that a personality-disordered person can use the guilt or shame that a person feels for not living up to his/her own standard, as a means of controlling that person. JMO, MOO

I agree with this completely. One hallmark of sociopathy is an uncanny ability to immediately size up another person's "holes" or weaknesses and fill them, making them feel quickly "comfortable" or at least familiar. Then they use these exact weaknesses to manipulate them. I think Jodi was masterful at this with Travis who's weakness was clearly remaining celibate (as a 30 year old man, really? but don't get me started on the Mormon religion in that aspect).

 

[rmt]

Maybe none. I'm hearing the questions from the jury today and they defy logic since jodi's defense team admitted that she killed Travis in the opening statement. The questions seem to ponder whether jodi acted alone or whether she did it at all (roommates' alibi's, fiber testing, etc.).

That concerns me. Anyone else?

Do we know anything about how the jury selection process happened in this case? Maybe the defense won that key battle?

 

[katiecoolady]

:waiting: Ya know...some of us (me, me, me) were attempting to lull ourselves into a (false) sense of security until a certain verified attorney came along to burst our bubble. :biggrin:

I keep telling myself they're just being thorough - it's a capital case, yada, yada, yada but it still doesn't fit my brand of logic. She admits to killing him so how does anything extraneous even matter to them? Like you, I have just seen way too many 'pretty' petite women get a vastly reduced sentence (if any at all) so I am uneasy.

I think I'll continue to be until I hear a guilty verdict. This isn't to detract from the bang up job I believe Martinez has done either - sometimes, and it seems especially so when the defendant looks a certain type - the jury is seeing a totally different trial altogether. That too defies logic.

When you think about it though, they responded to exactly the same trial they saw which appeared to be a trial about proving guilt. All the evidence about the scene, the premeditation, the behavior post crime, the interviews. It *appeared* to be a presentation to prove the guilt of the person so I can see how they were sort of lulled in to "forgetting" that the defense had already admitted she commited the crime!

They will be reminded again and again from this point forward including experts explaining exactly WHY Jodi killed him.

It's not the way WE are viewing the trial but we are hashing and rehashing everything and they are just sitting there seeing what they are seeing in the order they are seeing it. I hate to sound "ageist" but my father is 81 and highly intelligent with a PhD but he loses memory items quite a bit. There are some people on the jury who are quite high up in years. I can see the other jury members reminding them in deliberations should they go off on a tangent about guilt vs. innocence "but remember, she admitted to doing it" "oh, that's right".

I'm just not worried about these jury questions but they are interesting. Where this case is going to be tried is in the defense/rebuttal. This CIC was almost like just going through the motions.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with this completely. One hallmark of sociopathy is an uncanny ability to immediately size up another person's "holes" or weaknesses and fill them, making them feel quickly "comfortable" or at least familiar. Then they use these exact weaknesses to manipulate them. I think Jodi was masterful at this with Travis who's weakness was clearly remaining celibate (as a 30 year old man, really? but don't get me started on the Mormon religion in that aspect).

Hey there sweet katie!:seeya:

I linked the traits to a sociooath the other day and JA fits so closely that it gives me chills.

I went back to read some more just now and they have other traits listed at the bottom which I thought was very relevant and explains JA as much as she can be explained.

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

 

[pip]

I hate to start the debate again about what came first - the stab or the gun shot but - i was a believer that she stabbed him first. However I have changed my mind because I just can't bring myself to believe that JA would try to strike an initial incapicating blow with a knife. Just doesn't seem logical that she would do that. Too chancy. Nobody is going to take a knife to a gun fight so to speak

Think about it. TA is sitting in those last two pics with his back against the shower wall and his right forehead is facing JA as she took those two pics. I think she is pointing the gun at him and eventually shoots him in that position. The trajectory would be correct. From above down from right forehead to the left cheek.

But after being shot he defies odds and manages to get up. He is obviously totally disoriented and does not recall what has happened to him. Maybe he knocks the gun from her hand. Maybe it jammed.

Travis makes it to the sink and is bleeding profusely from the gun shot. He is bleeding from the forehead and the mouth hence the blood pattern here. Maybe his sight is affected.

JA begins to viciously stab him in the back. He turns around to protect himself. This is where the defensive hand wounds were inflicted. JA manages here to plunge the knife into his chest mortally wounding him again. All of the chest wounds were inflicted here.

Travis collapses and tries to crawl out of hell. He makes it to the threshold where the bit**inflicts the final blow. He dies here.

JA rolls Travis on to a sheet and drags him back to the bathroom. In doing so she manages to kick the bullet casing and it ends up on top of a blood splatter which then glues it in place.

I am rambling I know but that's how I see it happening.

I totally agree. The ME was unable to verify that the bullet hit his brain d/t deterioration, so he offered that it very well may have. I think it went thru above the right eyebrow, affecting his right eye, thru his sinuses and into the left cheek. I do believe he made it out of the shower disoriented and to the sink where she began stabbing him in the back because she couldn't get the gun to work for whatever reasons. I am not sure whether the jury will really care or not whether the knife or gun came first in the end if they decide it flat out wasn't self defense, but the prosecution and defense sure do in regards to the DP and self defense claim.

 

[Bravo]

Do we know anything about how the jury selection process happened in this case? Maybe the defense won that key battle?

Lets hope not. IMO it's too early to panic about a verdict based on a few questions. This case isn't over yet. MOO of course.

 

[jevipo74]

Good morning!

I am catching up...a little confusing on IS this am as Jodi's in that green shirt she wore the last day .

I heard Christi Paul say people were guessing Jodi didn't know the camera was in the wash and had gotten it caught up in the clothing when she grabbed them to put in the wash.

I disagree with that. I think she was trying to destroy any fingerprint evidence on the camera and just thought her deleted photos were gone forever.

Also the fact that someone stayed long enough to do the frikkin laundry (at least one full wash cycle then reload the washer) is someone who was very comfortable in that home.

Did Martinez point that out in his closing?

They are not at closing yet. He rested. They don't get into the big speeches until they are closing.

 

[mck16]

I am watching reruns of yesterdays events on IS right now. Jodi looks more animated and in fact really looks pretty. Maybe she just looks good in green. Does anyone see the same? ty

 

[nursebeeme]

Good morning!

I am catching up...a little confusing on IS this am as Jodi's in that green shirt she wore the last day .

I heard Christi Paul say people were guessing Jodi didn't know the camera was in the wash and had gotten it caught up in the clothing when she grabbed them to put in the wash.

I disagree with that. I think she was trying to destroy any fingerprint evidence on the camera and just thought her deleted photos were gone forever.

Also the fact that someone stayed long enough to do the frikkin laundry (at least one full wash cycle then reload the washer) is someone who was very comfortable in that home.

Did Martinez point that out in his closing?

Martinez didn't close yet.. he only rested his case in chief.

DT up next uke:

 

[katiecoolady]

Do we know anything about how the jury selection process happened in this case? Maybe the defense won that key battle?

Juan Martinez is a seasoned prosecutor and has tried MANY high profile cases (including the weird sleepwalker killing case that was aired on CTV). I trust his ability to pick a good jury. More men on this jury which I think is a good thing. But the ladies...oh they are gonna bring this home. "Mark my words". I watched them intently.

 

[katiecoolady]

They are not at closing yet. He rested. They don't get into the big speeches until they are closing.

Sorry, I meant opening statement. I missed it as i was out of TV range when it started. He can lay out the case in the openings but I've not seen it.

 

[jevipo74]

I am watching reruns of yesterdays events on IS right now. Jodi looks more animated and in fact really looks pretty. Maybe she just looks good in green. Does anyone see the same? ty

Sorry, still thinks she looks like Amy Fisher 2.0. And knowing what she did makes her hideous to me.

 

[nursebeeme]

I am watching reruns of yesterdays events on IS right now. Jodi looks more animated and in fact really looks pretty. Maybe she just looks good in green. Does anyone see the same? ty

I thought she looked the same...

I am jaded by the case facts however and will never ever get that slit throat picture out of my head.

 

[nursebeeme]

Sorry, I meant opening statement. I missed it as i was out of TV range when it started. He can lay out the case in the openings but I've not seen it.

Katie, I copied it over to the media thread if you want to listen (it is audio only and the first 15 min are cut off.. I have not been able to find anything else to post from the opening statements which is a bummer!)

 

[jevipo74]

Sorry, I meant opening statement. I missed it as i was out of TV range when it started. He can lay out the case in the openings but I've not seen it.

I really don't remember. Wow, it feels like opening statements were a million years ago, but it wasn't.

 

[katiecoolady]

Hey there sweet katie!:seeya:

I linked the traits to a sociooath the other day and JA fits so closely that it gives me chills.

I went back to read some more just know and they have other traits listed at the bottom which I thought was very relevant and explains JA as much as she can be explained.

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Hi obe!! :seeya:

I think she's a textbook sociopath which is with "morbid curiosity" that I watch her. I first saw this chick on the 48 Hrs episode and honestly I rewound that show and watched the entire thing over again to just watch her spin her spin.

The question I keep asking is if the defense can put on a (preposterous) theory and offer expert opinions on the "abuse" and "self defense" , why can't the State put up their own expert to explain to the jury the elements of sociopathy and lay it all out for them from that angle? I don't think I've ever seen that in court. I'd love to see it. In fact, I could pick just the expert to do it (Candace De Long).

 

[mck16]

I thought she looked the same...

I am jaded by the case facts however and will never ever get that slit throat picture out of my head.

My post should have been clearer. I was commenting on the difference in the way she has looked on prior days. She just doesn't look so witchy to me. I have the same image in my mind I am sure. jmo

 

[spcagrl]

OK......well, if some of the jury thinks she had to have help......does not that strengthen premeditation? Have we not heard that premeditation can be formed in the blink of an eye? So between switching from knife to gun, or gun to knife, cannot premeditation have been formed? if she stabbed him first, he might have been able to live if he had gotten help. She decided to kill him......AGAIN! If by some medical miracle he was shot first and managed to struggle up to the sink, she had to decide to kill him.....AGAIN!

I just think premeditation is PROVEN. Whether she had help or not, and whether she shot or stabbed him first.

Dumb question........is she pleading NOT GUILTY by reason of self defense?