The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[txbluesman]

I hate to start the debate again about what came first - the stab or the gun shot but - i was a believer that she stabbed him first. However I have changed my mind because I just can't bring myself to believe that JA would try to strike an initial incapicating blow with a knife. Just doesn't seem logical that she would do that. Too chancy. Nobody is going to take a knife to a gun fight so to speak

Think about it. TA is sitting in those last two pics with his back against the shower wall and his right forehead is facing JA as she took those two pics. I think she is pointing the gun at him and eventually shoots him in that position. The trajectory would be correct. From above down from right forehead to the left cheek.

But after being shot he defies odds and manages to get up. He is obviously totally disoriented and does not recall what has happened to him. Maybe he knocks the gun from her hand. Maybe it jammed.

Travis makes it to the sink and is bleeding profusely from the gun shot. He is bleeding from the forehead and the mouth hence the blood pattern here. Maybe his sight is affected.

JA begins to viciously stab him in the back. He turns around to protect himself. This is where the defensive hand wounds were inflicted. JA manages here to plunge the knife into his chest mortally wounding him again. All of the chest wounds were inflicted here.

Travis collapses and tries to crawl out of hell. He makes it to the threshold where the bit**inflicts the final blow. He dies here.

JA rolls Travis on to a sheet and drags him back to the bathroom. In doing so she manages to kick the bullet casing and it ends up on top of a blood splatter which then glues it in place.

I am rambling I know but that's how I see it happening.

I'm in agreement with you for a couple of reasons. I posted a couple of days ago that I think the shot came first and heard from some who agree and some who disagree, all making valid points.

While I would LIKE to agree with the ME, I have seen many animals shot and the entrance wound does not bleed much. Yes, close range with a large caliber maybe, but a small caliber, less likely.

What many people are not realizing is just how ineffective a .25 automatic pistol is for what she was using it for. I didn't know earlier that he might have been shot while sitting down. This gives even more weight to the theory that this small caliber--and very lightweight--bullet went in through (maybe) his skull in or near his right eye but lacked the force to exit, thus lodging in his lower left cheek, visible in the x-ray. It never hit anything vital and caused very little damage, mostly to his sinus cavity/palate.

An automatic pistol is usually jammed by what is called "limp wristing". An auto weapon works by using the "kick" of the fired cartridge to force the slide at the top to slam back, opening the chamber and ejecting the spent shell casing and allowing the spring-fed next round to enter the chamber. If the shooter does not keep a firm wrist (common beginner technique), the force is absorbed in the wrist and not passed on to the slide, leaving too small a gap for the spent cartridge to fully eject. The wrist has acted like a shock absorber. Now the spent cartridge is stuck between the slide and the frame, keeping the next round from entering the chamber. Nothing happens until the slide is manually pulled back and the force of the spring pushes the next round up and the spent shell falls out.

She might have realized this after she had mortally wounded Travis with the knife. If she had dropped the gun and used her backup plan, the knife, and later came back to get the gun, then she might have "cleared" the spent casing from the jammed pistol. That would have caused the cartridge to fall onto the floor, and possibly into some pooled blood. In this scenario, you have the shot coming first, but the cartridge coming out AFTER she has already stabbed/slashed him.

Just another theory. I welcome any comments. Enjoying reading all of your posts.

 

[Bravo]

I'm watching too. In 20 minutes I am meeting friends for lunch. Actually returning to the real world today :what: :great:

 

[katiecoolady]

IS showing reruns of evidence photos. Hope they haven't shown photos Jodi took yet, cause I want to see the pic of him sitting in the shower. PA using black pen as pointer now but can see writing on pen and clip, so hoping to see this seated pic better. Pics online most likely 'screen shots' and not from originals.

I saw it on here last night in the slide show (maybe you've seen this too) Sorry to be monopolizing the board everyone...quickly posting before I get in to a very busy day...in fact heading out now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html

 

[DenverClipper]

I have to say one thing I wish Martinez had done differently at the end of his case is with that last witness (Udy, Jodi's friend), instead of showing her naked photos of Jodi and asking "do you know this person?", I wish he'd shown her crime scene photos asking "is the Jodi you know capable of slashing someone she's loves throat like that?".

So what she's naked in a photo...that says a whole lot less than showing her KNOWN "handiwork" to her "friend".

Just wish he'd done that instead.

I see your point. But I would not have asked that question. What if she answered "no."it would have hurt the states case IMO. I believe never ask a question you don't first know the answer.

 

[jevipo74]

I just know the movie "Fatal Attraction" had a huge impact on men, instilling panic about dating and who they get involved with. I think they could easily go to "damn that could have happened to me" and relate to Travis. Just my hunch.

You would think that with all the true crime shows about women that men would be scared poopless of us. Deadly Women, Wives With Knives, Snapped.:gasp:

 

[DAWN TREADER]

I'm sure there are people just like you on the jury and they will steer the confused ones home. I have total confidence in this case, Martinez and this jury.

Now here's a blast from the past - :seeya: Katiecoolady so good to see you and thanks for posting your observations and thoughts about the trial so far. Glad you have confidence in the prosecutor to put Jodi Arias where she belongs - namely on death row. Hope to see more of you!!!

:yourock:

DT

 

[Isabelle]

I heard mentioned on IS this am that the hiatus is to allow the defense to get ready for their part of the trial. Didn't the woman atty get this case last year (2012) and Nurmi has had it much longer? I know the woman atty is death penalty qualified, but is Nurmi? Thanks

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have to say one thing I wish Martinez had done differently at the end of his case is with that last witness (Udy, Jodi's friend), instead of showing her naked photos of Jodi and asking "do you know this person?", I wish he'd shown her crime scene photos asking "is the Jodi you know capable of slashing someone she's loves throat like that?".

So what she's naked in a photo...that says a whole lot less than showing her KNOWN "handiwork" to her "friend".

Just wish he'd done that instead.

Me too .he did show her two photos.

I think the main point he wanted to make is this woman really doesnt know the real Jodi Arias at all. He brought it back to reality imo.

And how many times have we heard others say in so many other cases..........'omg I would have never dreamed they could do something like this........they were always so nice and sweet.' No one really knows what is in someone's mind or what they are capable of doing.

 

[katiecoolady]

I see your point. But I would not have asked that question. What if she answered "no."it would have hurt the states case IMO. I believe never ask a question you don't first know the answer.

He'd want her to answer no! To show she didn't really know Jodi at all because it is KNOWN that Jodi committed the crime. What's she gonna say? "Yeah, the Jodi I know is capable of slitting someone she loves throat?". Pretty sure she'd give the same response to the crime scene photos she did to the naked photos. But it would have just had more punch to end his case on.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I would love to see that happen too Katie or an abuse expert of their own laying out the red flags showing Travis was actually the DV victim and she the abuser.

Like I said earlier I have read that Martinez is really at the top of his game when he is cross examining during the defense CIC. So I suspect he will take their DV expert and ask her many hypotheticals that will show that Travis was really the one being abused and JA was the abuser.....stalker ..obsesssive.....overkill monster.

IMO

IMO good luck with trying to educate jurors on such topics as domestic violence or psychopathy. Both take far too much information to thoroughly understand. IMO no way would that be possible in a courtroom setting. ...when so many people find it hard to believe men can be victims of domestic violence or a sex crime of any kind. Any why most victims don't report or the mindset of the victim, the cycle etc..

 

[bobloblaw]

I have to say one thing I wish Martinez had done differently at the end of his case is with that last witness (Udy, Jodi's friend), instead of showing her naked photos of Jodi and asking "do you know this person?", I wish he'd shown her crime scene photos asking "is the Jodi you know capable of slashing someone she's loves throat like that?".

So what she's naked in a photo...that says a whole lot less than showing her KNOWN "handiwork" to her "friend".

Just wish he'd done that instead.

He did show her crime scene photos. The one where she was dragging his dead body down the hall.

 

[manzana]

I would not be surprised to see new attorneys or added after the hiatus.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm sure there are people just like you on the jury and they will steer the confused ones home. I have total confidence in this case, Martinez and this jury.

That you, you need to have enough to cover me too!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

He did show her crime scene photos. The one where she was dragging his dead body down the hall.

When he said that number for the photo before he showed it to her I instantly remembered that was the photo of her leg, shoe, and Travis' bloody body.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would not be surprised to see new attorneys or added after the hiatus.

What? Im not understanding what you mean.

 

[Laceybug]

Hello... first time poster here. I've been following the trial since day
one. I've really enjoyed following all the posts here at WS. I find it
difficult on some days just to keep up with all the posts. *takes a breath*
I've really tried not to get in on discussions, so that I could try to look at the trial
and everything presented as a potential juror might see things. I was glad to hear the questions asked by the jury. The question about the room mates being in the house was one I had been asking as well. In the 911 tape the roommate doesn't have the intensity in his voice one might expect in someone finding their friend/roomate dead in his bathroom. IF the roommates believed TA was already in Mexico... what about the dog? Was the dog fed or taken out in those FIVE days? How could they not notice the dog?

I've yet to hear an explination of the shoe print that was found IN the bathroom. It's labeled in the diagram of the house. The shoe print found in the blood has not been explained. Evidence showed that there was no blood in the closet where she said she went during the attack. With as much blood as there was.. how did she get out of the house without getting blood further throughout the house?

MiMi is a brunette. Im thinking she died her hair with the idea that if she
was seen... people might think it was MiMi instead of her?

How long does it take to get to Utah (Ryan's house) from Travis's place in
Mesa? I ask this because of the whole laundry business.. Has it been determined that SHE was the one who put the bedding in the washer and the bedding things in the dryer? Did she take the time to actually do laundry before she left to Utah? It's presumed that TA was dead around 5:30 pm What time did she get to Ryans? How much time was there in between? That might give us an idea as to how long she was in the house AFTER the murder. There was bedding in the dryer so that had to have gone through a complete wash cycle. I wonder if the camera was placed in the washer unintentionally. Could it have been on the bed and in the haste of gathering it all to be put into the washer the camera got put in there with the bedding?

If she killed TA alone... How did she get him into the shower and positioned
in the way that he is pictured? If he was already dead as they presume It
would have had to be difficult to lift him up over the edge of the shower
and position him in the way he was discovered.


I wonder if her killing him had to do with the religion aspect, along with the jealosy. She killed him in order to 'save him' from himself and from other women who might have had to endure what he had put her through. Is it possible that the stab to the heart, the slitting of his throat was to purify him of his sins.

Hope that I dont offend anyone by bringing up these points.. I pretty much get that everyone here already has her placed on death row. *IF* I were a juror... I would need these questions answered in order to send someone (even as evil as JA) to their death.

 

[manzana]

What? Im not understanding what you mean.

Kinda like a dream team, I know not Geragos or Fieger but someone

 

[scapa]

I've kind of avoided this case of late -- I find the whole thing ugly and depressing beyond words. But I have wondered about motive, and it seems to me that she must have supplied it herself. As a believer in the law of attraction (oy!) I suspect that having taken the view of the inevitably of TA belonging to her in some way shape or form she would regard his death as similarly inevitable and "deserved," i.e., brought on by himself.

Given this, I suspect that JA does not distinguish between the various bizarro-world stories she has told about TA's death -- they're all true, or none of them are true, and it doesn't particularly matter, because he was fated to die (perhaps even in this way) and she was merely the agent. She can cry legitimately at the fact of his being "gone," and thus unavailable to her, while moving on to the next man secure in the knowledge that her own destiny will march right on unhindered. I honestly believe that, were the court to subject JA to an unholy hoax and declare her not guilty, she would be unsurprised, ungrateful and see it as perfect vindication of her chosen path. I don't think she's anything like a "textbook psychopath" -- she's working in her own weird key IMHO.

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[Isabelle]

I saw it on here last night in the slide show (maybe you've seen this too) Sorry to be monopolizing the board everyone...quickly posting before I get in to a very busy day...in fact heading out now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html

I have looked at those again, just now and notice that the only pic that black object is shown is of he the pics Jodi took is the one with Travis sitting in the shower. One other pic from forensics is of Travis's hand and there is an overhead light reflecting off the tip of the pen. Assume that is courtroom lighting.

 

[human]

The self defense is overkill, shall we say. I think the gun shot and all of the stab wounds indicate that it goes beyond self defense.

People on here have said that they feel Jodi took the pictures of herself on a timer.

Why? These pictures were not meant to be found. Remember, she had set up her alibis to prove that she was not there. There would be no way that she would want pictures of herself to be found at the time of the murder.

There is a saying that you cannot cheat an honest man. I think to make TA into something that he was not will not help his cause one bit. Paint someone too pure and people start looking for the flaws.