The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[Linda7NJ]

I'm in agreement with you for a couple of reasons. I posted a couple of days ago that I think the shot came first and heard from some who agree and some who disagree, all making valid points.

While I would LIKE to agree with the ME, I have seen many animals shot and the entrance wound does not bleed much. Yes, close range with a large caliber maybe, but a small caliber, less likely.

What many people are not realizing is just how ineffective a .25 automatic pistol is for what she was using it for. I didn't know earlier that he might have been shot while sitting down. This gives even more weight to the theory that this small caliber--and very lightweight--bullet went in through (maybe) his skull in or near his right eye but lacked the force to exit, thus lodging in his lower left cheek, visible in the x-ray. It never hit anything vital and caused very little damage, mostly to his sinus cavity/palate.

An automatic pistol is usually jammed by what is called "limp wristing". An auto weapon works by using the "kick" of the fired cartridge to force the slide at the top to slam back, opening the chamber and ejecting the spent shell casing and allowing the spring-fed next round to enter the chamber. If the shooter does not keep a firm wrist (common beginner technique), the force is absorbed in the wrist and not passed on to the slide, leaving too small a gap for the spent cartridge to fully eject. The wrist has acted like a shock absorber. Now the spent cartridge is stuck between the slide and the frame, keeping the next round from entering the chamber. Nothing happens until the slide is manually pulled back and the force of the spring pushes the next round up and the spent shell falls out.

She might have realized this after she had mortally wounded Travis with the knife. If she had dropped the gun and used her backup plan, the knife, and later came back to get the gun, then she might have "cleared" the spent casing from the jammed pistol. That would have caused the cartridge to fall onto the floor, and possibly into some pooled blood. In this scenario, you have the shot coming first, but the cartridge coming out AFTER she has already stabbed/slashed him.

Just another theory. I welcome any comments. Enjoying reading all of your posts.

Your theory makes the most sense IMO with the shot comes first.

 

[Isabelle]

Have there been many other cases dealing with murder that have had a long break during the trial?

 

[Bravo]

Per Beth on IS. The delay in Trial is only a few extra days from original schedule. She has seen 2 week delays. Not uncommon. Defense needed some time due to the case moving a little quicker than anticipated. Scheduling of witnesses rearranged. Not verbatim.

 

[Karmady]

I have to say one thing I wish Martinez had done differently at the end of his case is with that last witness (Udy, Jodi's friend), instead of showing her naked photos of Jodi and asking "do you know this person?", I wish he'd shown her crime scene photos asking "is the Jodi you know capable of slashing someone she's loves throat like that?".

So what she's naked in a photo...that says a whole lot less than showing her KNOWN "handiwork" to her "friend".

Just wish he'd done that instead.

Agree. He might as well have said "well, did you know she was a 'ho?" And I didn't see it, but it sounds from what I've read here like he got agressive with her just like he did with Ryan. I was there for his questioning of Ryan and I didn't like his demeanor with him, so I probably would have felt the same about his demeanor with this witness. He really comes off as kind of an hole sometimes. I realize that's my own personal perception and may not be shared by the jury, just fwiw.

 

[LaLaw2000]

That does not mean anything. With that logic you could say she must have had previous experience.

If your going to kill someone and you have a choice between a knife and a gun, 9 times out of ten you are going to use the gun.

She stole the gun to kill him. That is why the elaborate theft. It jammed, whatever and she got scared so she stabbed the heck out of him. He was still breathing so she cut his throat.

If we were talking about a man doing the killing (no not a sexist comment) I might lean a little toward the kinife first (not much). But with her, I would put my money on the gun first. He could easily over power her and she knew that so why risk the knife first?

FWIW, I agree with this 100%.

 

[human]

I believe the Law of Attraction comes from the book The Secret which was a very popular self help book that focused a lot on how to attract money to your life among other things.

I believe there are references to it on one of their blogs

 

[nursebeeme]

welcome laceybug :cheer: !!!

totally good point that the dark hair was so she looked like mimi!

(and that is creepy to think about)

I too wondered about the roommates and, as a juror, would have asked the same questions.

 

[manzana]

I wonder if Jodi's cell mates see trial coverage, it has got to be all over the evening news in Arizona, they could watch with their dinner. Even Jodi herself.

 

[Really?]

I'm in agreement with you for a couple of reasons. I posted a couple of days ago that I think the shot came first and heard from some who agree and some who disagree, all making valid points.

While I would LIKE to agree with the ME, I have seen many animals shot and the entrance wound does not bleed much. Yes, close range with a large caliber maybe, but a small caliber, less likely.

What many people are not realizing is just how ineffective a .25 automatic pistol is for what she was using it for. I didn't know earlier that he might have been shot while sitting down. This gives even more weight to the theory that this small caliber--and very lightweight--bullet went in through (maybe) his skull in or near his right eye but lacked the force to exit, thus lodging in his lower left cheek, visible in the x-ray. It never hit anything vital and caused very little damage, mostly to his sinus cavity/palate.

An automatic pistol is usually jammed by what is called "limp wristing". An auto weapon works by using the "kick" of the fired cartridge to force the slide at the top to slam back, opening the chamber and ejecting the spent shell casing and allowing the spring-fed next round to enter the chamber. If the shooter does not keep a firm wrist (common beginner technique), the force is absorbed in the wrist and not passed on to the slide, leaving too small a gap for the spent cartridge to fully eject. The wrist has acted like a shock absorber. Now the spent cartridge is stuck between the slide and the frame, keeping the next round from entering the chamber. Nothing happens until the slide is manually pulled back and the force of the spring pushes the next round up and the spent shell falls out.

She might have realized this after she had mortally wounded Travis with the knife. If she had dropped the gun and used her backup plan, the knife, and later came back to get the gun, then she might have "cleared" the spent casing from the jammed pistol. That would have caused the cartridge to fall onto the floor, and possibly into some pooled blood. In this scenario, you have the shot coming first, but the cartridge coming out AFTER she has already stabbed/slashed him.

Just another theory. I welcome any comments. Enjoying reading all of your posts.

I remember you post from the other day. The "Colombian necktie" you referenced made me change my mind of the sequence of events. Plus she even knew that would finally do the trick so to speak.

 

[nursebeeme]

Your theory makes the most sense IMO with the shot comes first.

I agree! Great thoughts texasbluesman!

(I might I have to change my vote)
:escape:

question however: can she shoot this gun with one hand? she had the camera in the other hand

 

[Really?]

I'm in agreement with you for a couple of reasons. I posted a couple of days ago that I think the shot came first and heard from some who agree and some who disagree, all making valid points.

While I would LIKE to agree with the ME, I have seen many animals shot and the entrance wound does not bleed much. Yes, close range with a large caliber maybe, but a small caliber, less likely.

What many people are not realizing is just how ineffective a .25 automatic pistol is for what she was using it for. I didn't know earlier that he might have been shot while sitting down. This gives even more weight to the theory that this small caliber--and very lightweight--bullet went in through (maybe) his skull in or near his right eye but lacked the force to exit, thus lodging in his lower left cheek, visible in the x-ray. It never hit anything vital and caused very little damage, mostly to his sinus cavity/palate.

An automatic pistol is usually jammed by what is called "limp wristing". An auto weapon works by using the "kick" of the fired cartridge to force the slide at the top to slam back, opening the chamber and ejecting the spent shell casing and allowing the spring-fed next round to enter the chamber. If the shooter does not keep a firm wrist (common beginner technique), the force is absorbed in the wrist and not passed on to the slide, leaving too small a gap for the spent cartridge to fully eject. The wrist has acted like a shock absorber. Now the spent cartridge is stuck between the slide and the frame, keeping the next round from entering the chamber. Nothing happens until the slide is manually pulled back and the force of the spring pushes the next round up and the spent shell falls out.

She might have realized this after she had mortally wounded Travis with the knife. If she had dropped the gun and used her backup plan, the knife, and later came back to get the gun, then she might have "cleared" the spent casing from the jammed pistol. That would have caused the cartridge to fall onto the floor, and possibly into some pooled blood. In this scenario, you have the shot coming first, but the cartridge coming out AFTER she has already stabbed/slashed him.

Just another theory. I welcome any comments. Enjoying reading all of your posts.

I remember your post from the other day. The "Colombian necktie" you referenced made me change my mind of the sequence of events. Plus she even knew that would finally do the trick so to speak.

 

[manzana]

I believe the Law of Attraction comes from the book The Secret which was a very popular self help book that focused a lot on how to attract money to your life among other things.

I believe there are references to it on one of their blogs

She had a picture of herself with the guy that wrote the secret

 

[rmt]

Does anyone remember what day Juan introduced the shower pictures?

 

[zoey]

I have to say one thing I wish Martinez had done differently at the end of his case is with that last witness (Udy, Jodi's friend), instead of showing her naked photos of Jodi and asking "do you know this person?", I wish he'd shown her crime scene photos asking "is the Jodi you know capable of slashing someone she's loves throat like that?".

So what she's naked in a photo...that says a whole lot less than showing her KNOWN "handiwork" to her "friend".

Just wish he'd done that instead.

He did he showed onwith her foot

 

[Karmady]

He did he showed onwith her foot

Oh, okay. My bad. Just reading the comments, I thought he showed her one of the sex shots. So he only showed her one pic and it was that "dragging" photo?

 

[Karmady]

She had a picture of herself with the guy that wrote the secret

And I think I read that gus searcy was on the witness list now. If that's the right name, he's another motivational dude of similar ilk.

 

[miss.krissy]

Does anyone know where I can watch Day 1 Trial? I want to see the opening statements.

 

[kscornfed]

Hello... first time poster here. I've been following the trial since day
one. I've really enjoyed following all the posts here at WS. I find it
difficult on some days just to keep up with all the posts. *takes a breath*
I've really tried not to get in on discussions, so that I could try to look at the trial
and everything presented as a potential juror might see things. I was glad to hear the questions asked by the jury. The question about the room mates being in the house was one I had been asking as well. In the 911 tape the roommate doesn't have the intensity in his voice one might expect in someone finding their friend/roomate dead in his bathroom. IF the roommates believed TA was already in Mexico... what about the dog? Was the dog fed or taken out in those FIVE days? How could they not notice the dog?

I've yet to hear an explination of the shoe print that was found IN the bathroom. It's labeled in the diagram of the house. The shoe print found in the blood has not been explained. Evidence showed that there was no blood in the closet where she said she went during the attack. With as much blood as there was.. how did she get out of the house without getting blood further throughout the house?

MiMi is a brunette. Im thinking she died her hair with the idea that if she
was seen... people might think it was MiMi instead of her?

How long does it take to get to Utah (Ryan's house) from Travis's place in
Mesa? I ask this because of the whole laundry business.. Has it been determined that SHE was the one who put the bedding in the washer and the bedding things in the dryer? Did she take the time to actually do laundry before she left to Utah? It's presumed that TA was dead around 5:30 pm What time did she get to Ryans? How much time was there in between? That might give us an idea as to how long she was in the house AFTER the murder. There was bedding in the dryer so that had to have gone through a complete wash cycle. I wonder if the camera was placed in the washer unintentionally. Could it have been on the bed and in the haste of gathering it all to be put into the washer the camera got put in there with the bedding?

If she killed TA alone... How did she get him into the shower and positioned
in the way that he is pictured? If he was already dead as they presume It
would have had to be difficult to lift him up over the edge of the shower
and position him in the way he was discovered.


I wonder if her killing him had to do with the religion aspect, along with the jealosy. She killed him in order to 'save him' from himself and from other women who might have had to endure what he had put her through. Is it possible that the stab to the heart, the slitting of his throat was to purify him of his sins.

Hope that I dont offend anyone by bringing up these points.. I pretty much get that everyone here already has her placed on death row. *IF* I were a juror... I would need these questions answered in order to send someone (even as evil as JA) to their death.

maybe that shoe print was left by one of the roommates who found his body? i don't know. what i DO know is that his roomies did not like jodi, didn't want her around, were worried about his safety because of her, and would not have assisted her in any way. there's also no evidence she had help.

the answer is adrenalin. she was pumped up. she was superwoman after what she did. you know how mothers can lift a car off their child? she was able to drag him to the shower for that same reason.

 

[miss.krissy]

Does anyone remember what day Juan introduced the shower pictures?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcgFnrV-elo

For the shower pics, start at 28:00

 

[LaLaw2000]

So you are saying that she resorted to the knife first because the gun jammed?

I could roll with that..

But that being said, she was committed to the knife... she stabbed him and had it with her.

.25's are small guns and have been known to jam. There is no way of knowing when the gun may have been cleaned last or how old it was. It was her grandfathers, so who knows? Different things could cause a gun to jam.

Ask any LE if they would even consider using a .25 and the answer would be no. I think Jodi took the .25 because it was small and could be easily concealed. I further think that it was her weapon of choice and she shot TA using a throw pillow with tassels from the bedroom to muffle the sound.

As far as the bullet casing on the floor, I have often thought they were wrong about the blood pooling. The bullet casing could have already been on the floor and the blood slowly pooling around it. That could possibly be the reason there was no blood found on the top of the casing. Anyway; just my thoughts!

I just have to say that I believe the gunshot was first, then the stabbings, then the throat cut because TA was still clinging to life.

Just jmo.