The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

[Linda7NJ]

Oh my gosh! That is so creepy! I would have escorted her azz out though, not just asked her to leave.

For all we know, he may have!


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[nursebeeme]

Hi All, I'm new here. I first saw the case on Dr. Drew and then found websleuths as I was looking for more information on the case. I've probably read 40% of the trial thread. Since we are in delay until the end of the month, I can catch up. Now that my account is set up I can add my two cents. Below I address the psychological motivations I see in the case (MOO).

My theory for MOTIVE lies in the rejection she experienced from Travis. Jodi did everything in her power to BECOME the woman of Travis' dreams, and when that was not successful in winning his love, she felt sufficiently destroyed to destroy him. Her personal devastation was illustrated by the bloody mess she made of Travis and his life.

When she joined his church AND became his sex partner--conflicting behaviors in Travis' mind. She pretty much guaranteed her own rejection. Travis could not reconcile both those urges in himself ("I want to experience my sex drive fulfilled/I want to exemplify the values of my church). Her ability to have unrepressed sex AND espouse Mormonism without experiencing the conflict Travis did points to her moral ambiguity, and the lack of serious commitment she had for his ("their") religion.

From her description of their break up (due to "BOTH" of their trust issues--her statement), her inability to observe appropriate boundaries was established quite early in their relationship BEFORE any break up. Their relationship in name was "over" in 5 months time. In those short five months they went from an "in love" or "in lust" state, developed a very involved sexual relationship, (she) developed (or already had) a chronic insecurity she could not ignore, that led to her trespassing all of the boundaries of healthy relationships. Hacking multiple accounts is never ok. There is no justification for it. An emotionally normal person breaks up with someone they are chronically suspicious of, it is a very different kind of person who makes it their life's work to infiltrate the most private areas of another persons psyche (stealing journals) and life. These disrespectful and boundary-trespassing behaviors led to arguments and bad feel ings and a "break up". For all of this to happen in five short months shows how intense the relationship was. Most couples are in the "in love" period for 9, 12, or 18 months before ugly or uncomfortable things start to happen. That's when the "work" of the relationship begins.


No matter what is reported by JA (unfortunately, we only get her take on their relationship), JA and TA continued their relationship until the day he was murdered. Although Travis wanted to "break up" with in June of 2007, he didn't do "breaking up" behavior. His intention was to break-up, but his behavior didn't match his intentions. He continued to talk to her, see her, have sex with her, and plan trips with her. All of these behaviors gave Jodi hope that she was still a candidate for Travis' life partner.

Clearly, Jodi was still doing the "stalking" behavior of hacking into Travis' accounts even after Travis' death. In the interview with Flores she talks with animation of their 1000 places to see project, and how he was planning to come to California at the end of 2008 to see the Oregon coast. When she became aware that Travis was planning ANOTHER trip with someone else (Cancun), and it was on the 1000 list. This was more behavior that really did support a "breaking up" intention. Also, Travis very likely canceled the trip to the Oregon coast (it isn't likely he would be off again as soon as he was back from Cancun). My guess is that Jodi's plan to destroy Travis began when she received the news that he was planning the trip to Cancun with another woman. I see it as confirmation that he was willing to have sex with her (as long as she was willing to provide it) but was not willing to share the most special moments of his life with her. She was not Cancun material---this knowledge was unbearable to Jodi.

In discussing the manner of Travis' murder, there are people who think the messy overkill was not planned. I disagree with this. I think everything Jodi did was purposeful. She stabbed him in the heart, slit his throat and shot him because she was enraged by his rejection. When she says "if I were going to kill him I would shoot him, t least it would be humane". But that is not what she did because she did not want it to be humane. She was not trying to do it quick and neat. She was fully prepared to literally slaughter, and that is exactly what she did.

Something more I've noticed is the total lack of anxiety, anguish, tension, or fear in any photo or video of her. Her face is extraordinarily youthful and unlined---as if the normal anxieties of humanness do not wash over her face. It is an utterly serene countenance. I do think she is without conscience or empathy. I do not know the differentiation of antisocial, psychopath, sociopath, etc., but she appears utterly, utterly without the normal twitchiness, fidgetiness and expression of most people.

I'm excited to talk more about evidence, etc. but I wanted to get on the board with my observations and thoughts thus far.


Oh, one more thing. I think the BRAIDED pigtails are not an accident but an attempt to keep her hair contained for what was coming.

bbm:

that is so beautifully put and I agree personally.

WELCOME!:rocker:

 

[PASA]

It's really creepy how she turns situations around to make herself look favorable. I'm almost certain in those statements that she is talking about herself, but transferring her character traits onto TA.

I find her to be one of the scariest people I've ever seen. She might very well surpass Casey Anthony as my choice for #1 scary psychopath. :shocked2:

She's right up there with Ted Bundy. IMHO

 

[katiecoolady]

As scary as BB is, at least her kinda crazy is one I can see coming. She is one powder keg, I tell ya, and apparently was well before the murders.

JA just sits there almost like a statue, with zero expression and that eerie baby-doll voice that never changes tone. That kind of scary sneaks up on you.

MOO

I tell ya. When I saw her 4 yrs ago on 48 Hours (I believe that was the show--Maureen Maher?), I went back to the beginning and rewatched it a second time just to observe her, what you described here. It is so disorienting. I liken it to one of those horror movies where the crazed killer is in the body of a sweet looking little doll or something. And she never breaks character....well unless she's in her rage mode and slashing. It's terrifying.

 

[Linda7NJ]

She's right up there with Ted Bundy. IMHO

IMO she behaves like a psychopathic sexual predator

She's the female version, that doesn't use physical force like a male would, her gift is manipulation and lies


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[LambChop]

This brings me to another question...
Did JA really have full access to all TA's email & social networking accounts?
His voice mail?
His ATM pin? His garage code? And TA was aware of this?

I don't know if this is true or something just made up by JA.
Why wouldn't he change his passwords?
Why would you let your psycho EX-gf have access to these things?

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

She admitted this during her taped statement. My guess is he was not aware she had them which makes it appear this was not just a sudden plan for her. jmo

 

[katiecoolady]

bbm:

that is so beautifully put and I agree personally.

WELCOME!:rocker:

dumb question: what is "bbm"? :seeya:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I tell ya. When I saw her 4 yrs ago on 48 Hours (I believe that was the show--Maureen Maher?), I went back to the beginning and rewatched it a second time just to observe her, what you described here. It is so disorienting. I liken it to one of those horror movies where the crazed killer is in the body of a sweet looking little doll or something. And she never breaks character....well unless she's in her rage mode and slashing. It's terrifying.

Or turning on the water works cause she believed that's what the detective thought her first performance was missing! Lol


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[katiecoolady]

IMO she behaves like a psychopathic sexual predator

She's the female version, that doesn't use physical force like a male would, her gift is manipulation and lies


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Word.

 

[lil_buddy]

JA is 10000 times more scary that CA.
She reminds me more of Dahmer than Bundy.

 

[Linda7NJ]

She admitted this during her taped statement. My guess is he was not aware she had them which makes it appear this was not just a sudden plan for her. jmo

There is also an angry text from him about her invading his privacy.


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[LambChop]

I have not been able to find anything about TA's friends knowing he was having a sexual relationship with JA. Were they interviewed on a certain program? I can see him discussing that aspect, if it was true, with anyone from the Mormon faith, much less his friends. So far I have seen no evidence of sex between the two other than what JA claims happened. For all we know she and Travis just had the same type of contact as she did with Ryan. Any one no for sure what the answer is? jmo

 

[katiecoolady]

Ok as I continue delving in to this case aka avoiding putting my , ahem, Christmas decorations away, I am reviewing In Session from 1/17 and Christi Paul, Mike Brooks and the Goddess of IS Beth Karas are laying out their interpretation of the sequence based on the photo timeline and evidence. They are using a diagram of the bedroom and showing a blow by blow of how they think it went down. It makes total sense to me. But I'd buy swamp land from Beth Karas.

 

[LambChop]

There is also an angry text from him about her invading his privacy.


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That I believe was truly from him.

BBM: Bolded by me

 

[Linda7NJ]

JA is 10000 times more scary that CA.
She reminds me more of Dahmer than Bundy.

I disagree. If there had been lots of photographs taken along the way ... And more than a bag of bones....

they both chill me to the bone equally.

Casey had more social skills.


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[oceanblueeyes]

It's really creepy how she turns situations around to make herself look favorable. I'm almost certain in those statements that she is talking about herself, but transferring her character traits onto TA.

I find her to be one of the scariest people I've ever seen. She might very well surpass Casey Anthony as my choice for #1 scary psychopath. :shocked2:

A woman defense attorney yesterday on IS said she had seen and dealt with many criminal defendants but she thinks JA is the scariest defendant she has ever seen. She said she 'looks' so normal as if to say there is no way to tell how wicked someone is under their mask. And that is true.

There are certainly more psychopaths out there that will strike in the future. Imo Black Widow murderers are also phychopaths because they are capable of watching their victims in pain and great suffering who dying a torturous death right before their eyes. They show no emotions because they absolutely do not care about others. The only emotions they feel is when they feel they have been wronged and they always blame someone else rather than themselves. People are just stepping stones for them to get what they want.

She fits the profile of a psychopath to a T. Its chilling to read all the traits and the face that imerges is clearly Jodi Arias' face.

Yes, the psychopath's objective is to make themselves the center of attention and in the best most favorable light. She couldnt say she was really the one who was obessively jealous for that wouldnt make her look good so to build herself up she had to say that Travis was the one who was jealous of her. That way it is still all about JA and makes her appear to be appealing and alluring.

When in truth it is obvious he wasnt jealous of her. In fact I wouldnt be surprised if Travis didnt pray a lot that she found someone else and would leave him alone. He could have stayed with JA if he had wanted to and she would have been right up under his butt 24/7 breathing his own air.

But he didnt want to be with JA anymore and that is why he died a horrible death because he had the courage to try to get out of an abusive relationship with a dangerous woman. Many victims have died after a break up. It is the most dangerous time for DV victims.

IMO

 

[lil_buddy]

I think a friend of TA said on NG that TA had told him that JA had hacked into TA's FB account.

Again, I am in NO WAY blaming the victim, but...
Wouldn't you go change all your passwords?
Also, wouldn't you freak out if your psycho exgf was coming in thru the doggy door (if that's even true)?

I cannot wrap my head around it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have not been able to find anything about TA's friends knowing he was having a sexual relationship with JA. Were they interviewed on a certain program? I can see him discussing that aspect, if it was true, with anyone from the Mormon faith, much less his friends. So far I have seen no evidence of sex between the two other than what JA claims happened. For all we know she and Travis just had the same type of contact as she did with Ryan. Any one no for sure what the answer is? jmo

You saw the pics? You saw the lube in the pics? He did call himself a dildo with a heartbeat. He did refer to her as a 3 hole wonder.




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[LambChop]

JA is 10000 times more scary that CA.
She reminds me more of Dahmer than Bundy.

Oh, if I were a man on that jury I'd want her put away forever. :jail:

 

[Linda7NJ]

I disagree. If there had been lots of photographs taken along the way ... And more than a bag of bones....

they both chill me to the bone equally.

Casey had more social skills and was smarter than Jodi.


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