The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

[PASA]

Knives at restaurants are very, very sharp. Just saying. jmo

I wonder if any of the kitchen knives at Casa Ramos went missing?

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Hey does anyone know if the parts of the media interviews she did that were NOT used can still be used in trial? 48 Hrs. , Inside Edition, her local press conference?

From the court minutes:

01/20/2011

Pending before this Court is Defendant’s Renewed Motion to Dismiss Charges or in the Alternative, Motion to Dismiss Death Due to Prosecutorial Misconduct and Recently Discovered Brady Material and the State’s Response to the Defendant’s Renewed Motion to Dismiss Charges or in the Alternative, Motion to Dismiss Death Due to Prosecutorial Misconduct and Recently Discovered Brady Material.

Argument is presented.

IT IS ORDERED granting the motion in part as to the Defendant’s statement “she will not spend any time in prison.” out

IT IS ORDERED granting the motion in part as to Phase I of the trial, as to the Defendant’s request to get her purse which contained her makeup so that she could apply some makeup before being photographed upon her arrest. out

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED denying the Defendant’s motion in part as to her statement “No jury would convict her.” in

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JONamesearch.asp

 

[LadyEdith]

I missed the discussion on Flores' interview techniques because I had not yet registered, but I wanted to add my astonishment in how controlled and skillful he is.

As a matter of fact, his composure nearly matches Jodie's. Not only does he keep shame and judgment out of his voice, but he is very soft spoken as well. After two hours in a room with him I would pretty much have confessed to anything.


I like how he let her spin out the Ninja Tale, fully knowing it was all made up, so he could get some REAL details. When the story is over, he starts pointing out inconsistencies. If he had done this while she was speaking she would have clammed up (like when she said it was two men, then a man and a woman). It takes a very controlled person to keep his powder dry and listen carefully without interruption. I know it's his job, but I find it a really extraordinary example of a suspect interview.


I know they delved into interview "techniques" and I wish I knew more about this in general. If any websleuths have links or resources about the process of suspect interview, I'd be interested in seeing them.

 

[bobloblaw]

This could be the type of knife used. Very sharp and durable yet foldable. Would slash tires and used as a weapon.

 

[bobloblaw]

I am not saying that he deserved to die but his actions innocent or not play into why she did what she did and I can't wait to see te defense will show.

Sounds like the way some rape victims are treated. IMO I don't care if he was having an affair with 15 different women, 12 men and the goat up the street. She is a grown woman, gold digger and a stalker. This was a brutal murder against an innocent man.

 

[LadyEdith]

This could be the type of knife used. Very sharp and durable yet foldable. Would slash tires and used as a weapon.

Interesting that medical examination cannot determine if stab wounds are from a right or left handed attacker, or if a throat was sliced from right to left, or left to right.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Additionally, when she was stabbing him 9 times in the back, she was "defending" herself from an attack. His BACK was to her, meaning she just had to turn around and run away. By stabbing him in the back she is an (arguably) aggressive position.

I was just listening to a NG Friday summary on HLN. The defense made the suggestion that Jodi could have stabbed Travis in the back while facing him by reaching over his shoulder!

I'd love to see a demonstration of that!

 

[Karmady]

On one of the shows the other night, one of the lawyers was arguing that the State spent too much time focusing on Jodi's changing stories and should have instead hammered on the elements of the crime (premeditation and intent). He likened it to Casey's case and said that it just confused the jury to put on so much evidence of the lies.

I see his point, but disagree. Since Jodi is presumably going to be testifying for her self defense claim, she'll be giving a new account of what happened. (Her 4th version?). It's extremely important for the State to convince the jury that Jodi has absolutely no credibility and should not be believed. The only way to do that is by introducing all of the evidence of her previous lies about what happened to Travis. It's important to show that Jodi will say whatever she thinks will help her at any given moment.

Think about it -- no matter what Jodi says now, no one is going to take it as the truth. It reminds me of Joran Van der Sloot ...he gave so many different accounts of his time with Natalee Holloway that even when he later implicated himself on hidden camera, no one believed him still.

ITA. She will never be believed, and not merely b/c she lied. She'll likely try to come up with explanations about why she lied. Fear for herself, her family, shock, fear that she wouldn't be believed anyway, etc., etc. But to me at least, it's the WAY she lies. Cool, aloof, totally calculating and incredibly believable if you don't have all the evidence. I think that's why it was important to show the tapes and also why it was important to put Ryan Burns on the stand to show that she was acting normally within hours. It's been my thought since the beginning that those interviews coupled with the nature of the wounds will seal if for her. That's why I'm focusing "my defense case" lol on premeditation

 

[Karmady]

I wonder if any of the kitchen knives at Casa Ramos went missing?

Right. Yet I didn't see or read about any evidence of that being obtained or presented. Did I miss it? The only thing I've read was that none of the knives at Travis's house appeared to be missing from set and that there were knives in the dishwasher. I read that here, though, and didn't see it presented in court.

 

[lil_buddy]

I can totally understand this. I have had a lot of people say I don't care what Travis did he did not deserve to die and I tell them, I am not saying that he deserved to die but his actions innocent or not play into why she did what she did and I can't wait to see te defense will show.

I'm with you. I don't care whether he "abused" her or not, she is a danger to society and should NEVER be free.

I don't believe at all he ever physically abused her. On the other hand, I don't see much evidence that he treated her particularly kindly or respectfully. He poked that sleeping bear one too many times.

Anyway...

Did anyone notice this...
At the end of the prison clip, where she sings the Xmas song, she thanks everyone for their vote. Her voice when she thanks them sounds normal, not her soft, baby-girl voice that she always has on in interviews.

 

[popoju]

I can totally understand this. I have had a lot of people say I don't care what Travis did he did not deserve to die and I tell them, I am not saying that he deserved to die but his actions innocent or not play into why she did what she did and I can't wait to see te defense will show.

I know..i do not believe in this case that she ...out of the blue.. killed him because she was jealous or mad ..We all had break ups..hell i did...i would not eat and would totally hate the person that left me...but theres more to the story here...yes she killed him...did she wake up one day and was like :OHHH let me kill him because we only have sex...nah....
One ex of Jodi said that she had a finger that was broken by TA.... was he violent.... or just fed up by her? maybe..who knows...

We might really know our friends but we dont... I dont give here credits to Jodi but theres more to the story and we MIGHT never know..like CA....

 

[LadyEdith]

Third, I've noticed that Jodi has repeatedly mentioned that things seemed like a dream or a movie. I think that she has a sense that something larger than herself was being played out in Travis' killing; thus, her self-possession and her repeated professions of innocence and undying love. She is one weird and very frightening cookie.

I think this is an incredibly perceptive point. Considering she spins tales with aplomb, it really pays to listen VERY carefully to everything she says because she sprinkles the truth in with the lies. She cast herself in a larger than life plot---and the circumstances of this death are extremely melodramatic. The boy takes the shower while the girl shoots photos----until she whips out a weapon and attacks. This sounds like the plot of a tv crime show or made for tv movie. The camera was part of the "movie" in her mind, and it adds a note of power and humiliation to the murder. She manipulated him successfully with the CAMERA into an incredibly vulnerable position. I can see her spinning this out in her minds eye on the long, long, long drive there. In this script she isn't just an attacker, she is cunning, manipulative, all-powerful, vengeful and merciless. Just like a movie bad guy.

Your observation doesn't impact evidence, but it certainly is a key to understanding the exact "why" or her psychological state.

 

[Madeleine74]

I'll sit with him! Just sayin' :-* :crush:

 

[kscornfed]

On one of the shows the other night, one of the lawyers was arguing that the State spent too much time focusing on Jodi's changing stories and should have instead hammered on the elements of the crime (premeditation and intent). He likened it to Casey's case and said that it just confused the jury to put on so much evidence of the lies.

I see his point, but disagree. Since Jodi is presumably going to be testifying for her self defense claim, she'll be giving a new account of what happened. (Her 4th version?). It's extremely important for the State to convince the jury that Jodi has absolutely no credibility and should not be believed. The only way to do that is by introducing all of the evidence of her previous lies about what happened to Travis. It's important to show that Jodi will say whatever she thinks will help her at any given moment.

Think about it -- no matter what Jodi says now, no one is going to take it as the truth. It reminds me of Joran Van der Sloot ...he gave so many different accounts of his time with Natalee Holloway that even when he later implicated himself on hidden camera, no one believed him still.

i don't think it can be emphasized enough that she's an accomplished pathological liar. so her THIRD story about him being an abuser and her fearing for her life is just as preposterous as her other 2.

who will the defense call to say that travis was ever violent with a girl? is there someone out there who's going to say that? anyone other than their hired experts?
if the jury doesn't buy this guy was abusive, they don't buy self defense----which is completely ludicrous to me anyway considered he was wet, naked, unarmed and couldn't have done anything to justify what he got.

 

[Chanler]

I know..i do not believe in this case that she ...out of the blue.. killed him because she was jealous or mad ..We all had break ups..hell i did...i would not eat and would totally hate the person that left me...but theres more to the story here...yes she killed him...did she wake up one day and was like :OHHH let me kill him because we only have sex...nah....
One ex of Jodi said that she had a finger that was broken by TA.... was he violent.... or just fed up by her? maybe..who knows...

We might really know our friends but we dont... I dont give here credits to Jodi but theres more to the story and we MIGHT never know..like CA....

Hi, Populju. Actually, in one of the interrogation videos, Jodi herself showed the finger injury to the interviewer and said that the female Ninja did it. That, of course, is a lie, but it seems that an injury like that might have received in her final vigorous slashing of Travis.

It seems reasonable to assume that Jodi was responsible for hacking, tire slashing, fake emails, and other acts directly or indirectly against Travis. She was not an average person suffering from a breakup.

 

[Isabelle]

This could be the type of knife used. Very sharp and durable yet foldable. Would slash tires and used as a weapon.

She would have needed a 3.5 to 4 inch blade to cut to the depth she did when slitting his throat. Am sure there are knives like that with longer blades. I was thinking maybe a Bowie. Wonder if her grandfather owned one that he didn't realize was missing??

 

[popoju]

Hi, Populju. Actually, in one of the interrogation videos, Jodi herself showed the finger injury to the interviewer and said that the female Ninja did it. That, of course, is a lie, but it seems that an injury like that might have received in her final vigorous slashing of Travis.

It seems reasonable to assume that Jodi was responsible for hacking, tire slashing, fake emails, and other acts directly or indirectly against Travis. She was not an average person suffering from a breakup.

No no an ex said that her finger was permanently damage after TA broke it..i was not talking about the cuts

 

[TigerBalm]

I missed the discussion on Flores' interview techniques because I had not yet registered, but I wanted to add my astonishment in how controlled and skillful he is.

As a matter of fact, his composure nearly matches Jodie's. Not only does he keep shame and judgment out of his voice, but he is very soft spoken as well. After two hours in a room with him I would pretty much have confessed to anything.


I like how he let her spin out the Ninja Tale, fully knowing it was all made up, so he could get some REAL details. When the story is over, he starts pointing out inconsistencies. If he had done this while she was speaking she would have clammed up (like when she said it was two men, then a man and a woman). It takes a very controlled person to keep his powder dry and listen carefully without interruption. I know it's his job, but I find it a really extraordinary example of a suspect interview.


I know they delved into interview "techniques" and I wish I knew more about this in general. If any websleuths have links or resources about the process of suspect interview, I'd be interested in seeing them.

The Reid Technique
http://www.reid.com

 

[Side_eye Syd]

After snooping here for some time, I've finally decided to join in on the convo, so 1st time post & thanks to everyone for all the thoughtful, interesting & at times, entertaining posts & discussions.

Like many here, I've followed trials for a long time....Scott Peterson, CA, etc. & have no one in my real life to discuss this obsession (interest, hobby? LOL) So I'm thankful for this forum.

A few thoughts to share:

Did Jodi really work at Casa Ramos? I heard something about a family member (her dad?) showing pay stubs to LE, but nothing more. Was that true & did LE ever interview anyone from the restaurant? Were there ANY KNIVES MISSING??? Considering the extent of Travis' fatal wound to the throat, it HAD to be inflicted by a large knife, a nice, sharp butcher knife. Of course, I'm guessing Jodi snatched one from Casa Margaritaville Ramos. We know where she got the gun.....talk about prepared!

I'm intrigued by the idea someone had (sorry, it was too far back & i now forget who) that the dye job & white car may have been Jodi's attempt to be mistaken for Mimi & possibly frame her for the murder. I've also thought that perhaps Jodi figured Mimi was there with Travis (asleep) & she intended to kill them both.

It's clear to me that Jodi planned this whole sordid adventure, possibly after Travis told her in May that it was OVER...for good. Travis never intended to visit Jodi, the trip she claims he cancelled. I think he was finally coming to his senses about Jodi or his friends had gotten through to him. He'd had enough after the fb hacking, the endless phone calls, her unrelenting obsession, etc, etc & realized it was time to put his foot down for good. He probably felt safe from whatever consequences might occur since she was a good distance away. He never expected her to show up again in Mesa let alone with dyed hair, a rental car, a gun & a butcher knife!

I'm with those who think that Travis never invited her, nor did he have any inkling Jodi was coming. She just showed up, like obsessed, rejected sociopaths/psychopaths do. They may or may not have had sex, but once he was wet, naked & vulnerable in the shower, she ambushed him. Stabbed him first in that weird sitting position in the shower stall. As for dragging the body....small nurses can move large patients, EMT's & paramedics do it all the time...there are methods & someone else pointed out the floor was slippery from blood & water..plus she had the adrenaline...psycho adrenaline (it's more powerful!) She also could have used the sheets to drag his body.

Not sure why she placed him in the shower...convenience? Wasn't there a cup found with the body? Did she perform some sort of ritual baptism? He was there at her baptism, even baptized her? Was she responding in kind? Hmmm, nothing "kind" about it, but Mormons are known to baptize the dead. At any rate, I doubt she "cleaned" him off, more likely she was running the shower over her hands/arms to rinse herself off & splashing water all over him inadvertently.

Sorry this is so long, but it's my first post & I've many thoughts brewing! Just one more thing...I have to mention my thoughts about Juan Martinez. Unlike so many others, I'm not terribly impressed. If I were a jury member, I can assure you that I'd be turned off by his abrasiveness with the witnesses....his own witnesses! It may be his style, but as a jury member, I wouldn't care & instead, find it offensive. I'm a little worried about that.

Thank you for indulging me & thanks again to everyone for all your great posts, links, info, etc.

 

[kscornfed]

No no an ex said that her finger was permanently damage after TA broke it..i was not talking about the cuts

so he beat her up and all she has to show for it is a broken FINGER??? where's her broken nose? her split lip? her black eye? or did TA employ the soap in a sock technique on her 'arms, legs, and torso' and just manage to break her finger?

:waitasec:

remember when she showed up in utah wearing a long sleeved shirt? those people thought that was odd. i guess it was to cover up her 'feral cat' injuries.