The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

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I'm not worried.
Whoever the defense calls as a witness
he will have a chance to cross.
All he has to do is ask them questions
he already knows the answers to,

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He could have called 50 more witnesses,
and several experts on cell records computer forensics,
how to steal passwords,etc.
He could have had the jury listen to hour
upon hour and they might never understand.
The defense could bring in more witnesses to dispute what they
first set said and compound their confusion.
They could have had 300 more sidebars,
He could've presented emails and 82,000 txt messages.
Left the jurors confused and worn out..

Really what more could he have accomplished?

He proved 12 simple simple facts.
♦Jodi went there in a rented car with
♦Jodi dyed her hair to conceal her identity.
♦Jodi did what she planned to do that day.
♦Jodi left.
♦Jodi denied seeing him that day.
♦Jodi denied she was even near Mesa.
♦Jodi's pictures proved she was there.
♦Jodi admitted Travis was killed in a heinous fashion.
♦Jodi she admitted she is the one that killed him.
♦Jodi stated she wants the death penalty
♦Jodi does not want to spend her life in jail.
♦Jodi herself gave the beginning and middle and
crescendo of the story.
◘ The jury will write the ending.

It doesn't matter what the defense conjures up next.
IMO :seeya:

This has made me feel 100% better lol

Thank you! I think I see what you mean: Martinez is allowing all the evidence to speak for itself instead of pointing every little detail out.

he wants the Jury to arrive at these conclusions by themselves.

I think that's pretty smart. Don't chuck a whole lot of information down their throats and confuse them more. Give them the basics, the truth!
 
Right... but how much blood in the skull if the bullet missed the brain and only traveled thru the sinus and jaw. That spray on the sink came from somewhere.

Isn't a ME's his 'medical opinion'?

Maybe one of our medical professionals can verify or contradict this. I've seen quite a few skulls but very few bullets. Skull bones are generally pretty thin. Thinner than any of the bullets I recall seeing. I don't see how a bullet can enter the temporal bone and land in the frontal bone without crashing through brain, bone and tissue on it's way. The sinuses aren't a straight tunnel from one bone to another. JMO, based on my past experiences. I'm not an expert.

ETA: Never mind. I see danzn16 already addressed that, and with expertise behind it. I'm slow this morning :p
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Is it just me or does anyone else think that the Prosecutor should have called more witnesses (roommates) etc, and made more of his case?

I think it is severely lacking. I have a feeling the DA is going to pull a firework display of monolithic proportions out of his 🤬🤬🤬 and the Prosecutor's case is going to pale in comparison.

I have a very very bad gut feeling that miss sunshine is going to get a lesser sentence or be acquitted.

If this girl walks free like CA I am going to be so very angry.

I think the Prosecutor will be able to wrap the case up in his rebuttal/closing. He probably wants to see what the defense is going to present, then disprove everything they say.
 
Does anyone know TA's height and weight? I just watched a video on his myspace page where he was speaking at a PPL event and he looked small. He was also joking that someone had just told him he looked like a smurf.

TIA for any info.
 
I posted the other day about gas cans, but can't really find where I heard/saw this. (In my defense, others heard this too. At least I know I'm not going crazy!) All I can find is people asking about it, but not the original source. I apologize if I was passing along any false info.:nevermind:
My original post still stands though. I think the Prosecutor, in his closing, needs to focus on JA's effort to hide the fact that she was ever in Arizona. This was all done before the murder, therefore premeditated. Why would she need to hide being in Arizona otherwise?
 
The first thing I do when escaping from being held at knife and gun point by crazed killer ninjas.... Throw in a load of laundry and gather up all of my stuff!

:)


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lol. . .and of course I can't forget my purse! Geez:banghead:
 
I posted the other day about gas cans, but can't really find where I heard/saw this. (In my defense, others heard this too. At least I know I'm not going crazy!) All I can find is people asking about it, but not the original source. I apologize if I was passing along any false info.:nevermind:
My original post still stands though. I think the Prosecutor, in his closing, needs to focus on JA's effort to hide the fact that she was ever in Arizona. This was all done before the murder, therefore premeditated. Why would she need to hide being in Arizona otherwise?


As you said others (I for one) saw it too. Somewhere on WS there are screen shots from the trial of purchases which include 2 items which look to be KEROSENE CANS.

We even discussed if gas could be put into a kerosene can and that at one stop she bought more gas than her car would hold. And, it was more than five gallons more, thus the need for two cans. And, since it would be selfserve gas, she could use the wrong can (color is the difference).

IMHO it adds to the premeditation (trying to leave no trace of herself in Arizona).

ETA: Or the discussion could have been on another site. I'm sorry if that's what happened. Anyway the basic info stands.
 
This has made me feel 100% better lol

Thank you! I think I see what you mean: Martinez is allowing all the evidence to speak for itself instead of pointing every little detail out.

he wants the Jury to arrive at these conclusions by themselves.

I think that's pretty smart. Don't chuck a whole lot of information down their throats and confuse them more. Give them the basics, the truth!

i'm all for keeping it simple. but the defense will most likely have their own expert testify about the order of the wounds, right? they will fight to minimize his suffering so they surely have an ME who will back that up.

i was left thinking 'huh? that's it?' when they rested. maybe they did all they needed to do, i don't know. those police interviews surely prove what a liar she is and how effortlessly she does it.

i'm counting on a strong rebuttal case from the PA. they need to end this on a strong note, IMO. i still don't understand that last witness. what they wanted from her, what that accomplished, etc. seemed like a weak note to end on to me.
 
Does anyone know TA's height and weight? I just watched a video on his myspace page where he was speaking at a PPL event and he looked small. He was also joking that someone had just told him he looked like a smurf.

TIA for any info.

I think the ME said he weighed 189 and was 5'9' iirc.

He doesnt look like he weighs that much in the shower photos or even the ones of him on the bed, imo.
 
Defense answer:

You only kill someone because they attacked you.

You had the gun in your purse only for protection.

The knife just happened to be nearby.

I ended up using both because of fear/shock/panic.

No premeditation there, right?


dg, I'm just jumpin off your post because it kinda speaks to what I'm gonna say....NOT attacking, or being argumentative, OK?? It's just a good example of what, IMO, the defense might say.

I woke up today thinking like a juror on this case. I HATE to keep bringing up this person/trial, but I don't feel as "vested" in this case as I did in the "other" one.

First, the words that you only kill someone if they attack you better NOT come out of the defenses mouths, BUT, as you say, it probably WILL....laughably.

So, as far as I'm concerned, as a juror, AND IMO, JA admitted to doing this.


I'm thinking the opposite way, I want the DEFENSE to convince me this was done as an act of "protection", as opposed to the prosecution proving their case. Those interview tapes kinda did it for me.

In the opening statements, the defense said, so dramatically, it was basically JA's life or death.

I always remember from NG, in one of her more lucid moments, that PREMEDATATION can happen in "the twinkling of an eye".

It IS feasible that JA could have carried a gun for protection....lets just use our imagination here. I'd "assume" it was in her purse, as a holster seems quite far fetched.
So, she's taking pictures of TA in the shower, etc. Lets just say he "attacked" her for dropping the camera. I'm gonna "assume" she didn't bring her purse into the bathroom, so, she MUST have had her faculties around her enough to run to the bedroom to get the gun out of her purse and run back, since the blood evidence/trails don't really support him getting to her BEFORE she got the gun.

OK, so, IMO, AND as a juror, that part right there, the thought enough to run to the purse to get the gun and "protect" herself.....while the honest to goodness thought would have been to just get the heck outta dodge. He's nekked, for cryin out loud. You get that "fight or flight" thing going on. She has a good running start. IF she took the time enough to "run for her life" to the bedroom and remember she had a gun in her purse AND remember where she PUT her purse, THAT, IMO, is premeditation at it's finest.

IF, the KNIFE came first...again, she'd have to remember where the knife was to "protect" herself. IIRC, the defense mentioned a knife on the bed stand to "cut" the rope TA tied her up with....guess scissors don't exist...but apparently, it was stated, he "liked" to use a knife to do that. Whatever!!
(Although, I'm wondering about the fact that, IF she got tied up with those drapery tie back thingies, AND TA cut them off each time with a knife, JoAnn's Fabrics or wherever, must have had to stock a ton of those things, AND, JA/TA having to just have them "handy"....but I digress.)

So, I don't know. I mentioned in a prior post, that, those questions from the jury are coming from ONE particular juror who's trying to turn this case into a "who dunnit", again, IMO.

We also need to remember there's closing statements, and IIRC, the prosecution gets to do a "rebuttal" (?) AFTER the defense.
For all his, shall we say "rigorous" questioning in redirect (?), I have NO doubts WHATSOEVER, that the prosecutor will leave any room for ANY questions in the jury's minds.

Sorry for the length and long winded discussion...LOL

ETA: I just thought of something Kramer, from Seinfeld, called someone who was being persistent, he said "you're a tenacious little monkey, aren't you??". Just funny it reminded me of that prosecutor. He's got a mouth full of Nurmi's butt and he ain't letting go!!! LOL
 
i'm all for keeping it simple. but the defense will most likely have their own expert testify about the order of the wounds, right? they will fight to minimize his suffering so they surely have an ME who will back that up.

i was left thinking 'huh? that's it?' when they rested. maybe they did all they needed to do, i don't know. those police interviews surely prove what a liar she is and how effortlessly she does it.

i'm counting on a strong rebuttal case from the PA. they need to end this on a strong note, IMO. i still don't understand that last witness. what they wanted from her, what that accomplished, etc. seemed like a weak note to end on to me.

Uggg I hope they dont have someone like Dr. Spitz who will say anything for the bucks.

Juan accomplished what he wanted out of the last witness and that was she really didnt know Jodi Arias at all. All she saw and knew was what Jodi wanted her to see.......psychopaths are chamelions and adapt very well. They only let you see what they want you to see.......not what is really behind the mask.

IMO
 
To carry an open knife around would be to hard to handle if her purse is like a normal woman's purse. All the digging around we do in them.

For traveling purposes, a chef's knife is easily and relatively safely transported with the blade inserted into a typically discarded, cardboard, paper towel cylinder. JMO as a foodie.
 
I think the ME said he weighed 189 and was 5'9' iirc.

He doesnt look like he weighs that much in the shower photos or even the ones of him on the bed, imo.


Thank you so much. I agree he didn't look that large (189) especially in live videos and photos. She would have had no problem moving him around, with all the adrenalin pumping. IMHO
 
"Don't forget what was told to you. Don't say anything"
This is the note Jodi says she got from the ninjas while she was in jail.
And death threats!!

LOLOLOL

Shades of Casey Anthony or what?

AND she immediately ripped it up.... Ok.... yeah... uh huhhh! AND we are suppose to believe THAT as well? Someone get that girl out of that cell and send her on her merry way!! The system needs to stop picking on Jodi!!

I rolled my eyes so hard on that story I almost saw my past!! She is a piece of work!!!
 
i'm all for keeping it simple. but the defense will most likely have their own expert testify about the order of the wounds, right? they will fight to minimize his suffering so they surely have an ME who will back that up.

i was left thinking 'huh? that's it?' when they rested. maybe they did all they needed to do, i don't know. those police interviews surely prove what a liar she is and how effortlessly she does it.

i'm counting on a strong rebuttal case from the PA. they need to end this on a strong note, IMO. i still don't understand that last witness. what they wanted from her, what that accomplished, etc. seemed like a weak note to end on to me.

I'm guessing but I would think it was to show the jury that her friends really did not know who she was and what she was capable of doing if she were really angered. jmo
 
Uggg I hope they dont have someone like Dr. Spitz who will say anything for the bucks.

Juan accomplished what he wanted out of the last witness and that was she really didnt know Jodi Arias at all. All she saw and knew was what Jodi wanted her to see.......psychopaths are chamelions and adapt very well. They only let you see what they want you to see.......not what is really behind the mask.

IMO

i'll be very surprised if they DON'T have their own hired gun to try to slap down everything the ME said. they really have to, don't they?

bottom line, i don't care what they do. they can't change the fact that she lied and lied and lied about the whole thing. and now she expects a jury to buy THIS story, which is like saying 'ok, i lied but i did it to protect travis, even though doing so hurt my credibility immensely and could mean i either spend my life in prison or get executed.'

that's asinine to me. but it fits with her desire to be seen as a noble human being.

oh, and while i'm thinking of it, i loved her attorney saying in OS, 'the question is WHAT FORCED HER TO DO IT.'

that's really NOT the question at all.
 
Yes, Roux was the stuff--thank you! (I probably thanked you before, but I forgot to post it. I am scatterbrained sometimes.)

It is possible Arias dyed her hair brown at Travis's house, wouldn't rule it out. I still maintain that wherever she dyed it, she was trying to resemble Mimi, out of jealousy, trying harder to bend him to her will...and possibly to frame Mimi for Travis's murder.

Didn't notice the redness around his neck in the shower photos. Saw the one on his upper arm, though. Will take another look, definitely.

it was blonde at the car dealer? right? (I have lost my mind trying to keep all the facts straight)
 
I've said it before but this trial doesn't really start until the defense case. The whole prosecution was laying groundwork but the real battle starts with the defense because that's when the "problem to be solved" gets raised. It's like the defense has the burden of proof. Other than Jodi potentially testifying, I think the best part of this trial is yet to come in the rebuttal.
 
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