The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

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I'd really like to see a Psych eval on this chick that was neutral.
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Her defense team did have testing done in that area, but don't think they'll want to bring it up. Otherwise they probably would have gone with a different defense.
Something with some grain of hope for them... As I see it now, all they have going for them are some possibly confused jurors.
I dread what they will put on in lieu of true evidence. Go get um, Juan!!!
 
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That super big tub of lube is because they were having sex!
I've seen the pics of her naughty bits. Didn't appear she required lube. She probably could have hid a change of clothes in there.

Jodi wanted the appearance they actually had sex? Of course they did! He's naked, he's got lube laying next to him on the bed.

She deleted and tried to destroy the contents of that camera.




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Nah, she only deleted the pictures of herself. She didn't think they could be recovered. She wanted the naughty pics of Travis to be found. Otherwise, why leave the memory card and why only delete the pictures of herself?

I'm not saying they didn't have sex. I'm just saying Jodi bought the extra large tub 0' lube and made sure it was in the pics because I really think she had this all planned way before she arrived in Arizona.

She planned for Travis to die, and she planned for pictures of him naked with lube to be found after the fact -- she thought deleting pictures of herself, dying her hair brown, driving a white rental car with upside down plates, and having a date in Utah the next day would be enough to divert attention from her own self. She probably hoped that Mimi would become a suspect.
 
  • #2,063
Making my Food List, in case we ever have a long court day. I'm treating the next part of the trial as mostly fiction. I bet Jodi will be trying to wear a tragic face while I munch my cheesy poofs.
 
  • #2,064
During the Interrogation, Jodi was describing how she and Travis became involved. Jodi uses the words ". . .and it became Official." What was official? At some point, something became official in Jodi's mind.

I believe that also was the case. The only one it was 'official' for was
in Jodie's mind.
Seems he was dating others and it's hard to tell without TA around to
speak, that he was not that serious about Jodie.
She just might have been around just for the sex, he felt guilty, she
started to become angry and felt she wasn't good enough for anything
else with him. jmo
Choices made after that were not good ones for neither TA or JA. Sad...
 
  • #2,065
It's sex! It's not like he had sex all that often. IMO probably only with Jodi. Lots of men don't bother to take the time to put a condom on....Did Travis bother to put one on? ....you believe Travis would be concerned about a comforter?




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Good question about birth control. I have not heard that discussed at all. Haven't heard anything about condoms or condom wrappers being found, nor have we heard that Jodi was on the pill. Hmmmm
 
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Nah, she only deleted the pictures of herself. She didn't think they could be recovered. She wanted the naughty pics of Travis to be found. Otherwise, why leave the memory card and why only delete the pictures of herself?

I'm not saying they didn't have sex. I'm just saying Jodi bought the extra large tub 0' lube and made sure it was in the pics because I really think she had this all planned way before she arrived in Arizona.

She planned for Travis to die, and she planned for pictures of him naked with lube to be found after the fact -- she thought deleting pictures of herself, dying her hair brown, driving a white rental car with upside down plates, and having a date in Utah the next day would be enough to divert attention from her own self. She probably hoped that Mimi would become a suspect.

Minor4th, she deleted all the pix they took that day, including the naked ones, shower, and the 3 final pix. See my post some pages back in this thread. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11
 
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During the Interrogation, Jodi was describing how she and Travis became involved. Jodi uses the words ". . .and it became Official." What was official? At some point, something became official in Jodi's mind.

I'm glad someone else mentioned this. Several times she talks about when they were "officially" dating and she knows the exact dates they started "officially" dating and the exact date they broke up. However, there seems to be no real distinction between pre-dating, officially dating, and post-break-up. This seemed really bizarre to me.
 
  • #2,068
How evil to make us all have to guess if sex occurred. There's not one pic of them together except the one of Jodi's foot with Travis bleeding. Is that right?
 
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soda, ice cream, popcorn, ....:offtobed:
 
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Minor4th, she deleted all the pix they took that day, including the naked ones, shower, and the 3 final pix. See my post some pages back in this thread. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

I just listened to it again, and I have to say that Juan is very clever in the way that he phrases questions and makes implications just by the order he says things.

The detective clearly said there were many pictures that were not deleted. He said the ones that were deleted were some nude pictures of a man and woman apparently engaged in some sort of sexual activity and some pictures of Travis in the shower. He carefully does not say that the "three at the end" were deleted -- he also does not say they were not deleted. But he does say they were in "unallocated space" and explained that does not mean they were deleted.

IMO Juan was vague in his questioning here, and I'm not sure why. I don't think there's any way to know for sure if anything was deleted other than some sex/nude pics and some of Travis in the shower.

That begs the question -- when did Jodi delete the shower pics?
 
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also a high incidence of threatening suicide for attention and highly manipulative. had to do a training on personality disorders on Sat.....while one was spinning around me at work. That was fun. :eek:

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BBM: Exactly, hence the "cutting" that BPD's do.....and of course threats of suicides and actual mission-accomplished suicides occur with a BPD. They exhibit lots of rage issues, a lack of empathy for others, some say that they have a low "growl" but you won't read that one in the "books", fear of abandonment, and everyone around a BPD feels like they are "walking on eggshells". It mostly is seen in women more then men and some studies show a genetic base. A recent Harvard research study showed unusual results in brain scans/floroscopes in those dx with BPD which is one of the first tangible diagnostic results thus far. In general, BPD does not have a good prognosis from a clinician's point of view. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and DBT has shown some hope, according to the BPD "expert" M. Linehan (and sometimes in conjunction with meds). If they have a Cluster B overlap, the Narcissim will make the BPD at that time very mean and bully-like. If the overlap occurs along the Histrionic side, the drama will be like a three-ring circus.

I'm not a psychologist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.....:floorlaugh:




....all just moo......
 
  • #2,073
Yea and not sure if you all saw where in Travis's will he gave him to a friend and she posted updated pics on the FB page.

Also here is the pic you are referring to with his sister:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151312687943088&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater

I'll look for it and post link. I just read it yesterday


here it is:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200212550861772&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200212548461712&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200212544941624&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater

Several people have asked me about Napoleon lately so I thought I'd post a few pics. For those who don't know, Napoleon was Travis's dog. He loved and spoiled him like his was his child. Travis left Naps to me in his will and I am so happy that he did. Naps is the best little buddy ever!

Thank you! That is the photo I was speaking of.

And I am absolutely thrilled to see the poor little guy who lost his master, a pup who seemed to mean so much Travis ended up right where Travis wanted him to be. A little bit of heart warming in this terrible situation is very much appreciated.
 
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She also said that Travis would not like to have his photo taken in the shower. So which one is to be believed from this pathological liar? One is a lie. I will go by the one that makes more sense based on her prior stalking behavior.

If he had been working out and looking great (which he did) then just being on the beach in CanCun in front of Mimi would show that. I cant believe that Travis would be going around to everyone telling them 'look at me in the shower.' Imo he did not want these photos taken. The entire shoots were done with the shower door closed except the last one where he is sitting on the floor. Why would she take a pic of Travis in that awkward postion and not even show his face? Something happened after he realized she was there stalking him once again.....invading his privacy of his home once again. In the next to the last shower photo is one where he finally sees his stalker and the one who was going to kill him just like he feared she would. He may have just slumped down in the bottom of the shower because he couldnt believe she had returned and felt such helplessness and despair.

I will never think any of these photos were posed. They werent any more posed than the ones she snapped of him naked on the bed far away. The one close up in the shower is the most haunting also the one where he has both hands clutching his chest as if he is praying for forgiveness and for God to help him out of the nightmare he found himself in.:( Imo she pretended she had left and he thought he could relax again but like always she sneaked in to spy on him once again.:furious:

I dont think Travis took one photo of her. She told Flores she took pics of herself all the time and deleted them. Imo, she took the gosh awful pics of her ugly body parts and when she is spread out on the bed using the remote or a timer.

Those photos taken of TA weren't done for the purpose of creating 'good' pictures. Those are snapshots taken as a ruse. Thus we see photos that are not framed well, we see photos that have the wrong exposure, we see photos that look like a monkey could have picked up a camera and started taking pictures.

Jodi's intent was to distract Travis so that she could then begin her attack. The camera and the picture taking was her tool for the distraction.

One of the things Jodi said in her statement and in her 48 Hour interview was how she thought the water looked great in the pictures of TA in the shower. She seemed proud that she captured those water droplets. That is strange, really strange. jmo

During the defense's opening statement, I laughed when she said Travis wanted the defendant to take pics of him because he had been working out. I am a member of a bodybuilding forum, for years I have seen many many pics of people posting progress pics of themselves and NOT ONCE have I ever seen a pic of someone posing in the shower.. NEVER!

I talked to one of my friends tonight, who belongs to the same site, and asked him if he has ever seen any pics of someone posing in the shower. What do ya know, nope he hasn't either!

Travis is not posing in those pics, just more lies from the liar! I also feel she took the nasty bits pics herself with the timer.

IMO, she likes that pic with the water droplets so much is because he has fear on his face and then she took his life. It's like her trophy shot.

Im confused. Was there testimony of finding dog poop on the bed or is that what posters have said?:waitasec: Thanks

It was a friend of Travis' who posted on FB about something that had happened in the past, while Travis was still alive. When he (roommate) moved out, he realized the dog had pooped on his mattress, he laughed recalling how Travis had flipped over the mattress, so he wouldn't see the dog poo.

I remember quite awhile ago reading something that a brother of Jodi's wrote something on FB. It was a bible verse. Gosh I wish I could remember what he said now. But anyway I got the distinct impression he does not like Jodi and believes her to be guilty. Is this the only brother she has?

Has anyone been at the trial for Jodi other than her mom? tia

Proverbs 5:3

(well 3 &4)

New Living Translation (NLT)

3 For the lips of an immoral woman are as sweet as honey,
and her mouth is smoother than oil.
4 But in the end she is as bitter as poison,
as dangerous as a double-edged sword.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+5%3A3-6%2CProverbs+9%3A13&version=NLT

It was the friend of Travis' who had appeared on NG's show; she stated the dog would poop on the bed. I don't believe it is related to this case in anyway since the dog wasn't shut inside the master bedroom after Travis was murdered.

:)

MOO

Some of Travis' friends posted on FB about the dog pooping on things but none of it was related to the time of the murders, they were just talking about the past and how much they missed Travis.

I'm glad both Nancy and Jane are around to try and reason with
some of these crazies that call in. Where on earth is this coming from?
Jodi having a helper!:waitasec:

My guess is from Raphael Columbo, Budget, he testified there was a male but he didn't know if the man was with the defendant or not.
 
  • #2,075
Nah, she only deleted the pictures of herself. She didn't think they could be recovered. She wanted the naughty pics of Travis to be found. Otherwise, why leave the memory card and why only delete the pictures of herself?

I'm not saying they didn't have sex. I'm just saying Jodi bought the extra large tub 0' lube and made sure it was in the pics because I really think she had this all planned way before she arrived in Arizona.

She planned for Travis to die, and she planned for pictures of him naked with lube to be found after the fact -- she thought deleting pictures of herself, dying her hair brown, driving a white rental car with upside down plates, and having a date in Utah the next day would be enough to divert attention from her own self. She probably hoped that Mimi would become a suspect.
IIRC they said in court all the pics were deleted - i think she thought with all her planning she would never be a suspect - dying hair, turning off her cell phone, renting car and ryan as an alibi - i bet she thought she covered every angle - she didn't watch enough CSI
 
  • #2,076
I just listened to it again, and I have to say that Juan is very clever in the way that he phrases questions and makes implications just by the order he says things.

The detective clearly said there were many pictures that were not deleted. He said the ones that were deleted were some nude pictures of a man and woman apparently engaged in some sort of sexual activity and some pictures of Travis in the shower. He carefully does not say that the "three at the end" were deleted -- he also does not say they were not deleted. But he does say they were in "unallocated space" and explained that does not mean they were deleted.

IMO Juan was vague in his questioning here, and I'm not sure why. I don't think there's any way to know for sure if anything was deleted other than some sex/nude pics and some of Travis in the shower.

That begs the question -- when did Jodi delete the shower pics?

The witness says that he doesn't remember what any of the undeleted photos were of. All of his testimony following is about photos that were deleted. He also explains why some deleted photos were in unallocated space, i.e., had not yet been overwritten. All of the photos pertinent were deleted, but some were not overwritten so still were recoverable.

I've listened to it twice now, and I don't pretend to understand the technology in depth, but what I heard is consistent with my understanding about deleted electronic files. They can be recovered until that space in the memory (which becomes unallocated upon deletion) is overwritten by different data.
 
  • #2,077
Yea and not sure if you all saw where in Travis's will he gave him to a friend and she posted updated pics on the FB page.

Also here is the pic you are referring to with his sister:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151312687943088&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater

I'll look for it and post link. I just read it yesterday


here it is:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200212550861772&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200212548461712&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200212544941624&set=o.33785181856&type=3&theater

Several people have asked me about Napoleon lately so I thought I'd post a few pics. For those who don't know, Napoleon was Travis's dog. He loved and spoiled him like his was his child. Travis left Naps to me in his will and I am so happy that he did. Naps is the best little buddy ever!

Are we sure that the dog feeder pic was taken at Travis's house?
 
  • #2,078
The witness says that he doesn't remember what any of the undeleted photos were of. All of his testimony following is about photos that were deleted. He also explains why some deleted photos were in unallocated space, i.e., had not yet been overwritten. All of the photos pertinent were deleted, but some were not overwritten so still were recoverable.

I've listened to it twice now, and I don't pretend to understand the technology in depth, but what I heard is consistent with my understanding about deleted electronic files. They can be recovered until that space in the memory (which becomes unallocated upon deletion) is overwritten by different data.

yes i just relistened - the nude pics, the shower pics and the accidental pics were all deleted - but recoverable still -
 
  • #2,079
Having listened and watched the trial video again, I've made a couple of additions and corrections to the table of pics.

Nude pics

[TABLE="table"]164 - 1:42:53 PM -- female; unallocated space


165 - 1:44:00 - no description unallocated space



166 - 1:44:50 - male, personal lubricant can be seen unallocated space



167 - 1:47:15 - nude/personal lubricant; deleted image; unallocated space


168 - nude/personal lubricant; no date and time info; unallocated space; deleted image

169 - unallocated space - no description, no date, time[/TABLE]

Shower pics

[TABLE="shower"]141 - 5:22:24 - Travis in shower, facing right, arms crossed

142 - 5:22:36 - Travis' back, in shower

143 - 5:22:54 - Travis's back, in shower, darker than previous photo

144- 5:23:00 - Travis' back, in shower, dark

145 - 5:23:24 - Travis facing right in shower, dark

146 - 5:23:30 - Travis facing right in shower, dark

147 - 5:24:30 - Travis facing right, head down, dark

148 - 5:24:48 - Travis facing left, dark

149 - 5:24:52 - Travis facing left, dark

150 - 5:24:56 -Travis facing left

151 - 5:25:00 - Travis facing left, hands on wall

153 -5:26:56-- Travis' back, shower, dark

154 - 5:27:12 - Travis's back in shower, dark

155 - 5:27:18 - Travis facing left, sort of looking towards camera, dark

156 - 5:27:28 - Travis facing left, dark

157- 5:28:54 - Travis facing left, dark

158 - 5:29:12 - Travis' face, looking at camera, sitting, dark

159 - 5:29:20 - Travis's face, looking at camera, sitting; shower door appears closed

160 - 5:30:30 - Travis sitting in shower facing right, head/face not visible; shower door is open
[/TABLE]

Accidental photos

[TABLE="accidental photos"]161 - 5:31:14 --bathroom ceiling, dark; camera right side up 2-3 feet off ground; unallocated space

162 - 5:32:16 --Travis on tile bleeding, foot in foreground, dark; camera upside down and on floor; unallocated space

163 -- 5:33:32 - floor board, travis bleeding in top left; camera upside down and on the floor; unallocated space[/TABLE]
 
  • #2,080
The witness says that he doesn't remember what any of the undeleted photos were of. All of his testimony following is about photos that were deleted. He also explains why some deleted photos were in unallocated space, i.e., had not yet been overwritten. All of the photos pertinent were deleted, but some were not overwritten so still were recoverable.

I've listened to it twice now, and I don't pretend to understand the technology in depth, but what I heard is consistent with my understanding about deleted electronic files. They can be recovered until that space in the memory (which becomes unallocated upon deletion) is overwritten by different data.


When he says "all of these were deleted" he is talking about the thumbnails and the reason in some instances there is only a thumbnail but the actual image is gone (deleted). He is also just referring to exhibits 164-169 (nude pics), which he had just been handed.

He also explains that the "blurry" ones are the ones in which there's only a thumbnail remaining because the image was deleted. If you watch the pictures as they're shown, you can see that some are blurry and some are clear. Others it's hard to tell because they're dark. For instance when he is talking about the one of Travis with the "peace sign" or whatever, he talks about how it's blurrier than the others they just looked at and explains it's because that one was deleted and he had to use a thumbnail.

In any event, it's clear that two people can listen to the testimony and come away with two different meanings, and that's a shame. I conclude that the prosecutor was being intentionally vague for some reason because if he wanted it to be clear about exactly which pictures were deleted and which were not, he could have made it clear.
 
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