The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[LadyEdith]

Since in her phonecalls with Flores, she talks about them exchanging facebook/gmail/myspace passwords, I want to know how many times and how frequently they each accessed each others accounts.

If they don't have this investigation it is lazy detective work. They may have not paid attention to all the correspondence and forensic account information because with the photos and palmprint and blood, they thought they already had a slamdunk.

 

[Quester]

I clicked on that link and cannot find the pic. What am I doing wrong?

Try this one:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread

 

[kkdj]

the barber razor sees consistent with the throat. HOWEVER the prosecution
would have noticed it gone and tied it to the case I would think.

the defense would use that as well though if I am right. They would not have said that Travis had cut the rope with a knife. They would have said she desperately had to grab the razor to defend herself.

I thought the same thing, but I just don't know what it is.
What do you think it might be?
Was the glass brought up by the prosecution? I can't remember if they did.

 

[kkdj]

Will the hearing on the 28th be televised, anyone know?

I have no idea! Hope so!

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Try this one:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread

Such a brutal crime scene. I might expect this kind of brutality with a gang or mob hit, but when it happens to some innocent person in their own home it really has an impact. The sheer violence inflicted on Travis Alexander is so disturbing.

I really hope there is a just verdict at the end of this trial. Otherwise this victim will haunt me as much as Caylee Anthony does. :candle:

 

[suspicious1]

Try this one:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread

Thank u so much! I had never seen that pic before.

 

[danzn16]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias; the sequence of events

Wanted to share a post from minor4th where another forensic pathologist is giving his advice on why he thinks gun shot came 1st. Not sure if it was posted on this thread yet. Thought it was interesting!

Personally I don't think it makes any medical sense. Here's what he said:

Dr. Terry says, "If soon after receiving this gunshot wound, Mr. Alexander sustained a more significant injury that results in loss of blood, such as that cut across the neck or the stab wound of the heart then there might not be a whole lot of blood flowing up to the head to allow more bleeding into those soft tissues."

Ok, so if he was shot in the head and his throat cut immediately afterwards there would still be significant bleeding in his brain. This is because there is already blood in the brain and face already. There is also blood that enters the brain from the posterior part of the body through the spinal column that would still be intact and would still allow blood into the brain until the heart stops beating and until TA had no blood left in his body. So no this doesn't account for little blood in the brain issue. This is scenario is semi-plausible, not ridiculous but not possible IMO.

The other scenario Dr. Terry provided was if he was stabbed in the chest immediately after the shot to the head. OK what?!?!?! Then you have all your blood in your body that can go into your brain until your heart stops beating. There would be a even more significant amount of blood in the brain this way. If you puncture your heart you don't bleed out as fast as the throat slice through the carotids and jugulars. It can still function but not efficiently and it will fail. This scenario is ridiculous IMO.

And then if either of these scenarios were the case, the gun shot and then the immediate throat slice or stab to the chest, that caused so little blood flow to the brain that the brain couldn't even bleed from it's injury. Then there would be no blood in the brain for it to function, then how exactly did TA lean over a sink and then crawl out to a hallway? The brain needs blood and oxygen to function, to be conscious, to make your muscles move.

Uhh where did they get this guy??

 

[danzn16]

The ones that do enter the skull though tend to do the same thing. They will spiral around here and there until the velosity slows down by hitting mass and it will then lodge itself somewhere totally different than where the entrance wound is.

A .25 is just a slightly larger caliber than a .22.

The bullet travels apprx. 1000 feet per second. ( a normal 35 grain bullet)

On HLN the person that was on said he agrees with the ME and also said that with the bruises to his feet, ankles and legs he believes Travis was stomped and stepped on prior to dying during the struggle.

hmm, i wounder how they would be able to tell that versus it being from falling, or from crawling on the ground trying to get away with your life? Didn't she have socks on? Would be interesting to hear an experts opinion on exactly why he thinks the bruises are from that instead of from escaping

 

[kkdj]

Hmm ... glass door squeegee thingy??

Example:

Maybe.....
Straw?
Douche applicator from a box?

 

[popsicle]

hmm, i wounder how they would be able to tell that versus it being from falling, or from crawling on the ground trying to get away with your life? Didn't she have socks on? Would be interesting to hear an experts opinion on exactly why he thinks the bruises are from that instead of from escaping

I am not positive, but I think he may have said from his own experience that is what he believes it is from.

 

[danzn16]

He explained bruising only happens when a person is alive.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xy...a=X&ei=srsAUfHbHbSp0AHprIHACA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg

hmm yeah no.

more than likely in this case it would be all antemortem. but c'mon he shouldn't be making statements that aren't true.

 

[Nana46]

I clicked on that link and cannot find the pic. What am I doing wrong?

Me also...I don't see a picture...help!

 

[popsicle]

‎"According to Pat Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency.

"Jodi Arias exhibits a good deal of psychopathic traits in her behaviors," Brown told The Huffington Post. "When she was getting her mug shot taken, she explained her smiling demeanor as a result of ruminating over what Travis would think of the situation."

Brown added: "She employs a distorted mirror image in explaining how someone else would view the situation. It isn't that Jodi Arias is psychotic and disconnected from reality; it is that only her reality matters ... Arias is an actor in her own drama and as long as she is clapping for her performance, she is happy. If convicted of murder, I can guarantee Jodi Arias will have a great time in prison, amusing herself quite nicely as she moves on to Act Two."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/jodi-arias_n_1174274.html

 

[polleypockets]

Me also...I don't see a picture...help!

i scrolled down the page to where popsickle posted it about 3/4's the way

 

[PASA]

Maybe.....
Straw?
Douche applicator from a box?

Just my thoughts. It looks like the plastic glass/cup was originally there and the blood, etc. settled around it. When the body was moved the glass moved and left that mark. Hope that makes sense.

I could be totally wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.

 

[popsicle]

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xy...a=X&ei=srsAUfHbHbSp0AHprIHACA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg

hmm yeah no.

more than likely in this case it would be all antemortem. but c'mon he shouldn't be making statements that aren't true.

I don't know..

 

[Sulamith]

i scrolled down the page to where popsickle posted it about 3/4's the way[/QUOTE


Scroll up to Quester's post 1042

 

[danzn16]

I am not positive, but I think he may have said from his own experience that is what he believes it is from.

*Sigh, I guess I just like to get technical. LOL. I just wonder why the other ME didn't say that.

Obviously this guy has a lot of experience but I guess I am wary of doctors that go on TV. Maybe for fame? Especially when there scenarios don't sound physiologically possible.

 

[Quester]

Maybe.....
Straw?
Douche applicator from a box?

Pumice stone / foot file??

Example:

 

[atthelake]

I wish that we could inquire of our Joypath, but she is professionally tied up with another case whsere at WS and RL with many small special angels, God Bless

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jodi Arias; the sequence of events

Wanted to share a post from minor4th where another forensic pathologist is giving his advice on why he thinks gun shot came 1st. Not sure if it was posted on this thread yet. Thought it was interesting!

Personally I don't think it makes any medical sense. Here's what he said:

Dr. Terry says, "If soon after receiving this gunshot wound, Mr. Alexander sustained a more significant injury that results in loss of blood, such as that cut across the neck or the stab wound of the heart then there might not be a whole lot of blood flowing up to the head to allow more bleeding into those soft tissues."

Ok, so if he was shot in the head and his throat cut immediately afterwards there would still be significant bleeding in his brain. This is because there is already blood in the brain and face already. There is also blood that enters the brain from the posterior part of the body through the spinal column that would still be intact and would still allow blood into the brain until the heart stops beating and until TA had no blood left in his body. So no this doesn't account for little blood in the brain issue. This is scenario is semi-plausible, not ridiculous but not possible IMO.

The other scenario Dr. Terry provided was if he was stabbed in the chest immediately after the shot to the head. OK what?!?!?! Then you have all your blood in your body that can go into your brain until your heart stops beating. There would be a even more significant amount of blood in the brain this way. If you puncture your heart you don't bleed out as fast as the throat slice through the carotids and jugulars. It can still function but not efficiently and it will fail. This scenario is ridiculous IMO.

And then if either of these scenarios were the case, the gun shot and then the immediate throat slice or stab to the chest, that caused so little blood flow to the brain that the brain couldn't even bleed from it's injury. Then there would be no blood in the brain for it to function, then how exactly did TA lean over a sink and then crawl out to a hallway? The brain needs blood and oxygen to function, to be conscious, to make your muscles move.

Uhh where did they get this guy??