The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[CarolinaMoon]

i think you just described HER. i think one clear sign is converting to TA's religion after a mere 2 months of dating. who does that? that's a pretty big leap after such a short time.

Actually, she became a Mormon 2 months after first meeting him. They did not date until after she "converted."

 

[txbluesman]

If he was shot in the shower, how did the shell casing end up by the sink mixed with some coagulated blood ? IIRC, the sink is not really close to the shower.

I "think" the shell casing ended up on the floor. Nonetheless, sink or floor, I posted a few days ago about how the gun could have jammed if JA didn't hold a firm enough wrist when she shot. This would have kept the spent shell casing from being ejected, causing a jam. If she then worked him over with the knife then came back for the gun and cleared the spent casing out (unstuck the gun), the cartridge would have then been ejected. Shot comes at the beginning of the attack, cartridge ejected after. Possible.

Edit, add link: Limp wristing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit, from the above link: One common result of limp wristing is a failure to eject, as the slide will be moving too slowly at the point where the ejector is activated. The slow moving case will be caught as the slide closes, resulting in a stovepipe jam.

Just an opinion.

 

[FrayedKnot]

My cousin and I were only 6 months apart in age. In her late teens, she converted to Mormonism while the family lived in Utah. She was a good Mormon, although she did have ONE exotic cocktail when I took her out to dinner when I visited.

I would see her almost every year as my grandmother lived with her and took care of her little girl when she worked.

When she converted, I read everything I could find in the library and questioned her about the Mormon faith. LOL! There were no computers then!

She died when she was in her early 40's and, just prior to her death, she told me that the only regret in her life was that she was not temple worthy. The reason was that she couldn't tithe. She had to raise many thousands of dollars for possibly life-saving surgery towards the end.

The main reason she regretted not becoming temple worthy was that she was unable to bind her then two children to her for time and eternity. She explained that once bound to her, her children would be her children in heaven. Otherwise, according to her, she wouldn't know her children when they entered heaven.

That is the saddest thing I have ever heard. She died believing she wouldn't be with her babies in heaven because she didn't give the church enough money?

Makes me sad AND angry.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I see what you're saying but she did do quite a bit of methodical planning so it seems (eg stole gun, rented car, dyed hair, cash purchases, cell phone off, ?surprise visit?, etc). I think the actual murder did not go as easily and/or as cleanly as she had envisioned and also caused her delay in getting to Ryan's. JMO

BBM - I too think that had TA offered her some glimpse of hope (eg relationship restart, cancel Cancun with Mimi or offer to take JA, etc) there might have been a very different outcome that day ... and they may have safely continued until the next threat of relationship termination or if JA set her sights on someone else. JMVHO

I wholeheartedly agree it would have saved him that day, but blackmailers never quit, especially emotional blackmailers.

 

[LadyEdith]

After dragging him back into the bathroom she found the gun and used it on him as a final humane act in her mind. The pictures could have been taken to control him after he agreed to stay with her so she could make sure to hold him to his agreement. jmo

Until now I've thought the reason for knife andgun were because she was so rageful she wanted to destroy him absolutely.

But I have been listening to trial recordings from the beginning, and on day two they play a long phone conversation with LE Flores and JA, where she first floats the idea of two assailants, hoping, I think, to give Flores the idea that it must have been two. She says something like "Travis was very strong and in great shape, he was doing this really intense workout to get ready for Cancun and lifting very heavy weights. I can't see how anyone could overcome him, unless it was two people.


Since the LE didn't run with that. and they found incontrovertible evidence placing her at the scene, she was forced to admit she was there while the Ninjas were there. Two ninjas because it would take two people to overcome Travis, two weapons so it looks like two people committed the crime.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Don't go off on me - just want to hear the counter arguments of my possible theory. lol

What if she is taking pics, then has the knife in her hand - T see's her with the knife. Tries to get away, knocking the camera out of her hands. T runs to the sink area trying to get out of the bathroom. The stabbing starts there. From there, he continues to run towards the bedroom. Could the blood in the bathroom be from when she continued to stab him when he was trying to run away? Or possibly after she drug him back in there to finish the deed before stuffing him in the shower?
If she shot him after he was already down, why not stab him after she got him back in the bathroom, too.
Interested in hearing calm, polite responses to this possibility.
PS I'm not thinking this is what absolutely happened, it's just a thought in trying to figure it out.

 

[Laceybug]

I'm sure this has been posted before... but in case it hasn't I thought you guys might be interested in seeing this (these).

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents

 

[oceanblueeyes]

From your link: Specific frontal lobe lesion symptoms depend on the exact location of the lesion, the extent of the damage, and the overall health of the patient. Difficulties may range from mild to completely incapacitating. It is important to remember that not everyone with damage to this part of the brain will experience the same set of symptoms or the same degree of disability. Proper medical care is vital, and a doctor should be consulted with any questions concerning individualized symptoms so that a personalized treatment plan can be developed.

Look at the images. If, as the ME says, the bullet went in 1.5 inches from the midline and passed into the sinus cavity at the midline, then only 1.5 inches of the front part of the head was affected. Frontal lobe damage is usually talked about in about car wreck terms. This was much less traumatic.

That is true and there are unknowns and that is why I go by what the ME testified to based on his long experience and knowledge and doing the actual autopsy.

He said iirc he could not pinpoint the trajectory that the bullet took before coming to rest in the left cheek area due to decomposition. So we really have no idea where this bullet traveled once it entered the frontal lobe area. Just because it entered there does not mean that is the only part of the brain that was affected.

But what we do know is there was very little blood found in the area. Even with a small cut on the forehead the head bleeds profusely. I know because my hubby has cut his forehead and bled everywhere and the blood flow was immediate. But here we have a bullet entering the forehead and brain at a high velosity ripping a path as it went in. Just the high impact alone would have left Travis immediately stunned and disoriented imo. Even the ME said the gunshot wound would have been a life threatening injury even though Travis died from tremendous blood loss he lost from the slit throat. He also said he would have lost consciousness quickly after being shot.

The link I linked to the doctor also said these symptoms would also be seen from gunshot wounds entering into the frontal lobe as well. It may have been the first article I read before reading the one I linked.

But I appreciate your opinion even though I disagree with it.

IMO

 

[Isabelle]

My cousin and I were only 6 months apart in age. In her late teens, she converted to Mormonism while the family lived in Utah. She was a good Mormon, although she did have ONE exotic cocktail when I took her out to dinner when I visited.

I would see her almost every year as my grandmother lived with her and took care of her little girl when she worked.

When she converted, I read everything I could find in the library and questioned her about the Mormon faith. LOL! There were no computers then!

She died when she was in her early 40's and, just prior to her death, she told me that the only regret in her life was that she was not temple worthy. The reason was that she couldn't tithe. She had to raise many thousands of dollars for possibly life-saving surgery towards the end.

The main reason she regretted not becoming temple worthy was that she was unable to bind her then two children to her for time and eternity. She explained that once bound to her, her children would be her children in heaven. Otherwise, according to her, she wouldn't know her children when they entered heaven.

What does it mean to not be able to "tithe"?

 

[Sustained]

I "think" the shell casing ended up on the floor. Nonetheless, sink or floor, I posted a few days ago about how the gun could have jammed if JA didn't hold a firm enough wrist when she shot. This would have kept the spent shell casing from being ejected, causing a jam. If she then worked him over with the knife then came back for the gun and cleared the spent casing out (unstuck the gun), the cartridge would have then been ejected. Shot comes at the beginning of the attack, cartridge ejected after. Possible.

Just an opinion.

Sure, that's possible if you look at it that way ...

IMO, she started with the stabbing in the shower, using the pic excuse to keep him in the shower before the surprise attack. IMO, JA probably reasoned that TA would have a limited space to fight back if she first stabbed him there. I also wouldn't be surprised to learn that the first stab wound happened while he was facing the wall. Possibly he turned around after the first stab to the back and she then inflicted the fatal wound to the heart region.

I do believe the gunshot came last, somewhere close to the sink. Perhaps TA displayed signs of life after the stabbing and neck slice and JA felt the need to "finish" him off.

JA might clue us on the sequence if indeed shes does testify, but then again the truth and JA are strangers.

 

[kscornfed]

Actually, she became a Mormon 2 months after first meeting him. They did not date until after she "converted."

that's even worse!

 

[Isabelle]

not me.

And it also seems highly likely that JA gave the 25 ammo to her mom when she was at the house (25 ammo recovered at mom's house and none found at grandma's):twocents:

Yep! I think mama might be in deep!

 

[CarolinaMoon]

What does it mean to not be able to "tithe"?

Give 10% of your income to the church. One of the many qualifications to be temple worthy is to tithe.

 

[nursebeeme]

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[txbluesman]

Yep! I think mama might be in deep!

So if JA is found guilty, too late to charge mama with accessory?

 

[LadyEdith]

I think she wants to get the phone sex tapes in because Travis said something like she sounded like a teenager having her first orgasm -- trying to paint him as some sort of pedophile. Totally irrelevant IMO and not likely to be admitted.

Yes, and the defense is counting on the jury NOT knowing that pedophiles are not interested in having sex with women who look like children, pedophiles are interested in children. The schoolgirl getup is a fantasy in sex. It just means (if it's true) that Travis has a common kink. Not illegal at all. I, for one, don't believe the pigtails story, because they are braided. If they weren't I might believe it. I think she wore braids because she knew she was going to kill him and was keeping her hair contained.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yep! I think mama might be in deep!

Could be another Cindy who will do anything for her darling daughter. GAG!

 

[Love Never Fails]

I apologize if this question has been asked and answered. I just logged on after a few days. Has the man that Jodi lived with for four years been interviewed and does anyone have a link to his comments? Does anyone know whathe will testify to? I assume he will be a defense witness.

 

[FrayedKnot]

i think you just described HER. i think one clear sign is converting to TA's religion after a mere 2 months of dating. who does that? that's a pretty big leap after such a short time.

Although to be fair, TA's friends said he was over the moon about JA and that he thought she could be "the one". I think they both were moving kind of fast, but TA luckily saw the loon JA really was and ended the "romance".

I wish he had ended the sex, too. He just had no clue HOW loony she is. . I think he thought she'd eventually quit.

 

[Isabelle]

Wonder if the real reason Mimi didn't continue a serious relationship with Travis was because of Jodi? Mimi may have been afraid of her! That's sad.