The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

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  • #821
From your link: Specific frontal lobe lesion symptoms depend on the exact location of the lesion, the extent of the damage, and the overall health of the patient. Difficulties may range from mild to completely incapacitating. It is important to remember that not everyone with damage to this part of the brain will experience the same set of symptoms or the same degree of disability. Proper medical care is vital, and a doctor should be consulted with any questions concerning individualized symptoms so that a personalized treatment plan can be developed.

Look at the images. If, as the ME says, the bullet went in 1.5 inches from the midline and passed into the sinus cavity at the midline, then only 1.5 inches of the front part of the head was affected. Frontal lobe damage is usually talked about in about car wreck terms. This was much less traumatic.

BBM

Gun shot wounds are one of the most traumatic brain injuries that one can sustain. It causes tearing injuries to the brain and major blood vessels and also the concussive forces throughout the brain that occurs in things like car accidents. It's like car accidents + a pierced object through the skull basically, in layman's terms.
 
  • #822
what i have been thinking - ppl say maybe the LE interview was partly autobiographic - saying the part of shooting first is real because if she was going to kill travis thats how she would do it - but she is a skilled liar, and thinks she can talk her way out of any thing - so why wouldn't she think when the results come back he was shot last - then she can say - see it wasn't me, i never would have stabbed first - so i am innocent??

The minute I heard her starting to say IF she had killed him she would do it humanely huge red flags started dropping everywhere and I knew the BS lies were going to start flowing.

Because that is what JA does after the fact. She picks up cues and had now realized the worst thing she did to him was stabbing him over and over again and slitting his throat from ear to ear. So she removes what she really did. Everything about Jodi it to always to put her in a better light or so her evil mind thinks. Even as a murderer she wants to be seen as humane when she is anything but humane.:furious:

She conveniently omits what makes her look cruel, sinister, and downright evil.

Just like how she came up with self defense after two years. She cued in when Martinez was in a court hearing and whatever the defense put forth Martinez said BUT SHE IS NOT CLAIMING SELF DEFENSE.......wallah the self defense BS was spawned by JA.

She slaughtered this man who was going to lay there and bleed out from the horrible knife wounds she inflicted but that was not good enough for Arias..........so she shot him in the head for good measure. He could have had shallow ragged breathing......she wanted him still and dead.

IMO
 
  • #823
Since we are on the Mimi subject, what I find incredibly odd is that Mimi had this six sense and knew/felt something was wrong but his own roommates were totally clueless inside the home which is not that big (3600) as previously misstated.

from watching TA's friends interviews - it seems that it was all the women (gf's and wives) that figured out what jodi was right away, then clued in the men, including TA - which is why i wonder if thats the reason jodi seemed to hang around men a lot more than women??? i also wonder if TA's friends (the ones on 48 hrs where TA and jodi would meet) hadn't had that talk w/ him about her, if he would have seen so quickly who she really was??? - and w/ that murder kit she was packing in her car, i wonder if they might have been in danger too?
 
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Anything easy is not worth having....something that seems unobtainable has an attraction....thats why girls play hard to get....... like Mimi said Travis was persistent and even she thought he thought he could still get her. I am sure Travis thought he could charm the pants off of her sometime while they were in Cancun, separate rooms was just a ploy.

I really think he respected Mimi.

She gave him no reason not to, imo.
 
  • #826
Since we are on the Mimi subject, what I find incredibly odd is that Mimi had this six sense and knew/felt something was wrong but his own roommates were totally clueless inside the home which is not that big (3600) as previously misstated.

It is a known fact that women have a much keener sense of smell than males.
 
  • #827
I had not realized his date had her tires slashed as well. I thought only Travis did, and twice.

i thought his tires were slashed twice while at her house - i didn't know hers were slashed either - i don't know if that was said?
 
  • #828
BBM

Gun shot wounds are one of the most traumatic brain injuries that one can sustain. It causes tearing injuries to the brain and major blood vessels and also the concussive forces throughout the brain that occurs in things like car accidents. It's like car accidents + a pierced object through the skull basically, in layman's terms.

Aren't there also "gases" from the bullet that cause injuries? I see it like being a mini explosion to that area. It is not just the bullet that does the damage but the internal explosion from the bullet.
 
  • #829
I had not realized his date had her tires slashed as well. I thought only Travis did, and twice.

Travis tires were slashed outside Lisa's house one night and someone played a "ding dong ditchem" at the door step after doing it ("someone" aka Jodi Arias). Then the ding dong ditchem happened the very next night, more tire slashing, both of theirs that time (I believe they both happened the same night but Lisa's did get slashed as well).

They should have filed police reports.

I may have heard all of this in court the day I went ...Martinez was indicating to the Court his intention to not call Lisa Andrews so he may have said all of this during those arguments.
 
  • #830
It is a known fact that women have a much keener sense of smell than males.

i keep thinking that - they were busy 20 something guys inside a house where the dog had a lot of accidents - i don't find unusual they didn't realize how bad the smell got - i went over to my dads (a recent widow and living on his own for the first time since his 20's), opened his fridge and about fell over from the smell, when i asked my dad he said, does it really smell??
 
  • #831
I thought her context was in relation to the prosecutor's case - the state attorneys need to line up with the state/county official medical examiner findings. That doesn't mean anyone else has to agree.

And in "the case" we all remember so vividly, the jury didn't take Dr G's findings as fact, thus the jury verdict from hell.

I put to together a post with links and quotes and everything. But it took me so long to do it I got signed out and lost it...grrr. The distinction is between fact "testimony" and opinion or expert opinion "testimony" -- not between fact and opinion. Neither conclusively establishes a single thing as fact, but the rules that apply to each type of testimony are quite different. There is absolutely no question in my mind that the order of the assaults has not been conclusively established

here's a snip and link from a case talking about fact and expert testimony given by an investigator in a criminal case w/ bbm. In one of my snips below, note the use of the term "mere fact witness." There's a reason for that.

Undue Weight: “The jury might be smitten by an expert's “aura of special reliability” and therefore give his factual testimony undue weight.” York, 572 F.3d at 425 citing United States v. Brown, 7 F.3d 648, 655 (7th Cir. 1993) (“[W]e recognize that in a close case the danger of unfair prejudice may be heightened by the “aura of special reliability” that often surrounds expert testimony, and that jurors may tend to give such testimony undue weight. The danger of unfair prejudice is most serious where the expert also is an occurrence witness.”) (citation omitted)

http://federalevidence.com/blog/200...ng-dual-fact-law-enforcement-expert-testimony

And here's a snip and an article (bbm) talking about the distinction in the context of medical professional witnesses:

One of the vexatious problems that plague trial lawyers is dealing with experts, particularly medical experts. The generic term “expert,” according to the American Heritage Dictionary, describes any “person with a high degree of skill or knowledge of a certain subject.” There are, however, “expert persons” who are mere fact witnesses in a particular lawsuit. These individuals are variably called “fact experts,” “occurrence experts,” “actor experts,” “viewer experts” or “non-26(b)(5) experts.”

* * *

But many “experts” possess facts or knowledge independent of the lawsuit and are also asked to express opinions at trial, often based on those facts. The best example of this hybrid expert/fact witness, of course, is a physician who has treated the plaintiff for his or her injuries.

The status of a particular expert will determine whether he is a mere fact witness, an expert person, an expert witness, or some combination thereof. The status of an expert in a particular lawsuit will then determine whether the lawyer must pay the expert merely a statutory witness fee or an expert witness fee; whether a party who did not hire the expert can depose the expert; whether the expert’s records or opinions are discoverable; whether the expert needs to be disclosed to the other side; and whether an expert person who is a fact witness must answer expert questions at a deposition or trial.

The test for whether a witness is an expert or fact witness is whether the facts or opinions possessed by the expert were obtained for the specific purpose of preparing for litigation. Peters v. Ballard, 58 Wn. App. 921, 795 P.2d 1158 (1990).

http://www.pereylaw.com/articles-videos/issues-in-working-with-medical-witnesses/
 
  • #832
It is a known fact that women have a much keener sense of smell than males.



No,no,no You misunderstood my comment, Mimi While she was in her car, her apartment/home could no way smell inside of Travis' home but yet she had the feeling something was wrong and therefore went to his home with others but the roommates were there all along
 
  • #833
Anything easy is not worth having....something that seems unobtainable has an attraction....thats why girls play hard to get....... like Mimi said Travis was persistent and even she thought he thought he could still get her. I am sure Travis thought he could charm the pants off of her sometime while they were in Cancun, separate rooms was just a ploy.

That's basic human (dating) dynamics. But I don't think there has been anything credible to come forward that Travis was all about manipulating unobtainable girls in to bed.
 
  • #834
I know we have a lot of new members so just an FYI for those who may not be aware, if a link is not allowed neither is posting anything from that site.
 
  • #835
Talking about Jodi's brazenness and inappropriateness--she contacted Travis sister to see if she would be depositing Jodi's check for $200. Who would do this? Who would think twice of their bleepin' check if a friend had been murdered?
 
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Talking about Jodi's brazenness and inappropriateness--she contacted Travis sister to see if she would be depositing Jodi's check for $200. Who would do this? Who would think twice of their bleepin' check if a friend had been murdered?

I think she also asked Det. Flores about this. Blech.
 
  • #838
I could never find a link to the actual autopsy report until today (thank you Minor4th). In reading the report, it is somewhat different than what the ME testified to. It states:
"The wound track perforates the anterior frontal skull near the superior oribital bone and transverses the right anterior fossa, without gross evidence of significant intracranial hemorrhage or apparent cerebral injury." It goes on to talk about the decomposition limiting the exan. And then under Nervous System states " The dura mater and falx cerebri are intact." The dura mater is the tuff, fibrous covering of the brain. Then "Multiple serial sections of autolyzed brain do not reveal the presence of grossly apparent trauma, foreign bodies, or previously existing natural disaease."

So he testified that the bullet went theough the brain but the autopsy report states otherwise as far as what I'm reading.

Link: http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/redactedtravisautopsy.pdf

WOW! Good find!! So how is the ME giving his statement that it did go through the brain then? That's a big deal if the dura and falx are still intact. I can see the defense tearing this up!!!
 
  • #839
Talking about Jodi's brazenness and inappropriateness--she contacted Travis sister to see if she would be depositing Jodi's check for $200. Who would do this? Who would think twice of their bleepin' check if a friend had been murdered?

did jodi give him the check that night, or did she mail it previous to her visit?
 
  • #840
That's basic human (dating) dynamics. But I don't think there has been anything credible to come forward that Travis was all about manipulating unobtainable girls in to bed.

I agree. He seemed to be functioning on the old madonna/🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 theme. Mimi is the kind of girl he would marry. Jodi was the kind of girl he would never marry, but have sex with.

I think someof this contributed to Jodi's rage---I'm good enough to sleep with, but not good enough to marry?
 
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