The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

[lil_buddy]

I also thought prosecutorial misconduct and DP eligibility were ruled on...

 

[BritsKate]

I'm watching Discovery ID now and it's showing women that kill...Most of them have married a few times and have kids..Do most cluster B's marry multiple times and have kids?

I was surprised JA never married any of her exs and never had any kids to "trap" them, especially Travis.

I think it all depends on if it suits their motivations to do so. I don't believe people who have PD ever do anything without consideration to their personal gain.

My ex (although male) was married twice and has three children. I believe he pursued having children as a means of securing the relationship with their mothers. The only relationship he has with the kiddos now is a highly manipulative one he uses for narcissistic supply, control, and intimidation.

As long as kiddos tell him how amazing and loved he is all is well between them. As soon as they don't he does creepy stuff like threatening suicide, promising to come visit when he leaves prison (we moved to a foreign country for very sound reasons) even though he knows our daughter very much fears him, or sending a hand drawn picture of our house (his mother kindly printed our house from google earth). Needless to say communication is very rigidly monitored.

Watching a PD parent with their children is truly a mind-bending (and awful) experience. The child just doesn't exist except to further the goals and desires of the PD parent. Until they're no longer useful when they are often cast aside.

:moo:

 

[FrayedKnot]

Okay:

'nother question:

In the IR report posted yesterday, one of Travis' friends (Mimi, I think) said that Jodi had been "living there in the house" for a while before moving back to Cali. Not living in Mesa, living in that house.

I feel pretty sure that even if Jodi was spending most nights at Travis' house, it would not be something he would advertise. And supposedly she had her own apt. in Mesa.

Just curious if anybody has a take in why someone would tell police Jodi was a live-in GF.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OBE:

Can you translate for me in regular people speak? I'm embarrassed but I read that over and over and I'm foggy.

Does it mean the DT has to prove the evidence they plan to present has merit? And if it is allowed, and the PT objects, then the burden is on them, the PT to prove the evidence as inadmissible?

TIA!

I honestly dont know in Az so that is why I had to look it up. Usually evidentiary hearings are held when they are wanting to enter additional evidence in at a late date or even before the trial starts.

But the AZ law seems to be some type hearing where the defendant has to prove something to the Judge. Im not quite sure what that is though.

So I really dont know Frayed. Maybe one of our law professionals will come in and answer it for all of us.

Is AzLawyer on line now? I havent even checked.

IMO

 

[bobloblaw]

IS posted: There could a be a lot of developments in the Jodi Arias case next week.

I'll take the bait!! Ohhh I can't wait to get back in the court room!! I'd be a nut case if I didnt have WS to talk about the case! Thanks to all of you!!!

Imagine how the jurors feel! And they don't have anywhere near the resources we have. Must be confusing for them.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay:

'nother question:

In the IR report posted yesterday, one of Travis' friends (Mimi, I think) said that Jodi had been "living there in the house" for a while before moving back to Cali. Not living in Mesa, living in that house.

I feel pretty sure that even if Jodi was spending most nights at Travis' house, it would not be something he would advertise. And supposedly she had her own apt. in Mesa.

Just curious if anybody has a take in why someone would tell police Jodi was a live-in GF.

I believe his roommate (boarder) also mentioned she lived with him for awhile. I dont know for how long though.

It sure doesnt seem like Jodi was a big secret though.

 

[popsicle]

I honestly dont know in Az so that is why I had to look it up. Usually evidentiary hearings are held when they are wanting to enter additional evidence in at a late date or even before the trial starts.

But the AZ law seems to be some type hearing where the defendant has to prove something to the Judge. Im not quite sure what that is though.

So I really dont know Frayed. Maybe one of our law professionals will come in and answer it for all of us.

Is AzLawyer on line now? I havent even checked.

IMO

I know some of the things brought up before the judge she chose to hold off on and rule when it comes up in trial. With the defense case getting ready to start, this might be one of those.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I honestly dont know in Az so that is why I had to look it up. Usually evidentiary hearings are held when they are wanting to enter additional evidence in at a late date or even before the trial starts.

But the AZ law seems to be some type hearing where the defendant has to prove something to the Judge. Im not quite sure what that is though.

So I really dont know Frayed. Maybe one of our law professionals will come in and answer it for all of us.

Is AzLawyer on line now? I havent even checked.

IMO

Well you answered some of it for me, thanks.

I'm usually pretty good with comprehension but law speak is a whole other language to me!

 

[Love Never Fails]

I also thought prosecutorial misconduct and DP eligibility were ruled on...

Judge ruled with PT on felony murder. She has yet to hear about prosecutorial misconduct. That will be on Monday. DP eligibility stands.

 

[Quester]

So … if JA has admitted to killing TA, what’s preventing her from providing the location of the murder gun and knife? Or has she? Does LE have them? TIA

 

[FrayedKnot]

I believe his roommate (boarder) also mentioned she lived with him for awhile. I dont know for how long though.

It sure doesnt seem like Jodi was a big secret though.

I'm sure that's due more to Jodi advertising and insinuating herself than to Travis sharing with friends.

She is just beyond comprehension. :banghead:

 

[lil_buddy]

Judge ruled with PT on felony murder. She has yet to hear about prosecutorial misconduct. That will be on Monday. DP eligibility stands.

So is this about prosecution not sharing TA's text messages?

 

[LambChop]

The defense was challenging the felony murder alternative charge in this trial. Claiming she was an invited guest therefore doesn't qualify for the felony while committing the murder aspect of the charge. The felony being burglary.

The Judge didn't agree with them though and she ruled with the State so the felony murder alternative charge remains. This is kind of huge for the State because now the jurors don't all have to agree on premeditation for a conviction/death sentence.

So that would mean defense can't produce a phone call to TA at the time JA said she called him and he said "come on over" and stop in on your way to Utah? It's only 600+ miles out of your way.

 

[bobloblaw]

Thanks.

I looked up what evidentiary hearing means in Arizona and Im a little confused. Is this where Jodi has to convince the Judge that self defense should be an option to the jury?:waitasec:

Rule 32.8. Evidentiary hearing

a. Evidentiary Hearing. The defendant shall be entitled to a hearing to determine issues of material fact, with the right to be present and to subpoena witnesses. If facilities are available, the court may, in its discretion, order the hearing to be held at the place where the defendant is confined, giving at least 15 days notice to the officer in charge of the confinement facility. In superior court, the hearing shall be recorded.

b. Evidence. The rules of evidence applicable in criminal proceedings shall apply, except that the defendant may be called to testify at the hearing.

c. Burden of Proof. The defendant shall have the burden of proving the allegations of fact by a preponderance of the evidence. If a constitutional defect is proven, the state shall have the burden of proving that the defect was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt.

d. Decision. The court shall rule within 10 days after the hearing ends except in extraordinary circumstances where the volume of the evidence or the complexity of the issues require additional time. If the court finds in favor of the defendant, it shall enter an appropriate order with respect to the conviction, sentence or detention, any further proceedings, including a new trial and conditions of release, and other matters that may be necessary and proper. The court shall make specific findings of fact, and state expressly its conclusions of law relating to each issue presented.

e. Transcript. The court may, and shall upon request of a party within the time for filing a petition for review, order that a certified transcript of the evidentiary hearing be prepared. The preparation of the evidentiary hearing transcript shall be at county expense if the defendant is indigent.


http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/32_8.htm

Anyone know what time this starts and if it will be broadcast online? Thanks

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think it all depends on if it suits their motivations to do so. I don't believe people who have PD ever do anything without consideration to their personal gain.

My ex (although male) was married twice and has three children. I believe he pursued having children as a means of securing the relationship with their mothers. The only relationship he has with the kiddos now is a highly manipulative one he uses for narcissistic supply, control, and intimidation.

As long as kiddos tell him how amazing and loved he is all is well between them. As soon as they don't he does creepy stuff like threatening suicide, promising to come visit when he leaves prison (we moved to a foreign country for very sound reasons) even though he knows our daughter very much fears him, or sending a hand drawn picture of our house (his mother kindly printed our house from google earth). Needless to say communication is very rigidly monitored.

Watching a PD parent with their children is truly a mind-bending (and awful) experience. The child just doesn't exist except to further the goals and desires of the PD parent. Until they're no longer useful when they are often cast aside.

:moo:

Im so sorry that you and your children have had to endure this BK.

You are right.......children are seen as possessions, objects, and extentions of PD person. They are allowed to be there in their good graces if they make the one with a PD look good at all times.

IMO

 

[bobloblaw]

Thank you, PASA! I will have to look up the diff. between Fed. and State prison.

I have no idea about American prisons, but in Canada, people sentenced to 2 years or more are sent to fEderal prison, lesser sentences land you in Provincial prison.

 

[polleypockets]

So … if JA has admitted to killing TA, what’s preventing her from providing the location of the murder gun and knife? Or has she? Does LE have them? TIA

technically she hasn't admitted it to public or LE - it has just been put forth as her defense by her atty's- she has never confessed to LE or the press

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Anyone know what time this starts and if it will be broadcast online? Thanks

Its going to be televised boblob.

It has been starting at 10:30 their time so I imagine it will be around that time too unless the Judge has something else on her docket first.

IMO

 

[callyn]

You mean they didn't say she was "bending over backwards" to lie her way out? :what::what::what::what::what::what::what::what::what::what:

:floorlaugh: I spent part of the afternoon at physical therapy today and they had me do that 'over the back of the chair' maneuver. I had a little giggle over that. They wanted to know what was funny and I told them that it was looooong story. I must say, it bore very little resemblance to Jodi's stretch, I'm old, overweight with a bad neck, which made if funnier...or stranger.

 

[LadyEdith]

This is kind of huge for the State because now the jurors don't all have to agree on premeditation for a conviction/death sentence.

Does this mean they are going to have to find her guilty of First Degree Murder OR Felony Murder?