The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

[Nova]

And I think the jury instructions are quite clear on that. They just have to read them. jmo

Just to be clear, jury instructions are read TO the jury by the judge before the jurors are sent to deliberate.

Whether the jurors get to "read" the instructions depends on the jurisdiction, I think. When I was on a jury, we had to request that specific instructions be reread to us by the judge, just as we had to request that testimony be reread to us. We weren't given hard copies of either.

I asked and was told that a lot of court rules stem from the days when many jurors weren't literate. It was thought that jurors who could read would have an advantage if printed material were given to the jurors (because those who could read could "prove" their point with the printed pages, whether it was written or not).

For the same reason, up through 1985, New York State didn't even allow jurors to take notes. (This may have changed.)

 

[Linda7NJ]

OK, after another glass of wine I see it!


A caped super hero with a cape on a twister game with red circles!


How did I do on my Rorchar test docs?

Better than I did, I'm sure. I saw stained nips. Lol

 

[Nova]

I hate that (like Jodi wanting to peek at the pics to match her story to them) the defense will likely now tailor their defense to what has been presented.
That is, of course, if they are not being ethical. lol

There's nothing unethical about the defense re-thinking its strategy after the prosecution rests. That's one reason why the State goes first.

It's only unethical if the defense knowingly tells a lie or knowingly allows a witness to testify to a lie. (I readily admit that some defense attorneys stretch the definition of "knowingly".)

 

[popsicle]

I've waited forever to hear what people who know Jodi have to say about her character. Finally, there's this article in her local newspaper:
http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/article/20130125/NEWS/130129835#

“She was the perfect kid – the kind of kid you would want your son to date because she just seemed so clean cut,” said Rangel.

Who says that about the person accused of such a horrible murder??

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Better than I did, I'm sure. I saw stained nips. Lol

You did better than me......I saw teeth in a vajayjay......

(or I'm having a flashback)??? :what:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just to be clear, jury instructions are read TO the jury by the judge before the jurors are sent to deliberate.

Whether the jurors get to "read" the instructions depends on the jurisdiction, I think. When I was on a jury, we had to request that specific instructions be reread to us by the judge, just as we had to request that testimony be reread to us. We weren't given hard copies of either.

I asked and was told that a lot of court rules stem from the days when many jurors weren't literate. It was thought that jurors who could read would have an advantage if printed material were given to the jurors (because those who could read could "prove" their point with the printed pages, whether it was written or not).

For the same reason, up through 1985, New York State didn't even allow jurors to take notes. (This may have changed.)

I've seen too many people in my life that weren't capable of taking great notes and listening simultaneously. I know I do much better listening, and jotting down some key things during a break. If I listen intently, I have no need to write anything down. Some folks just want to write everything down....and end up missing key concepts. I wish they could be trained on effective note taking....or rely on memory and read backs.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There's nothing unethical about the defense re-thinking its strategy after the prosecution rests. That's one reason why the State goes first.

It's only unethical if the defense knowingly tells a lie or knowingly allows a witness to testify to a lie. (I readily admit that some defense attorneys stretch the definition of "knowingly".)

But they can't come back, withdraw the self defense claim and go with some other dude did it. Iirc

 

[atthelake]

Lol, as I was thinking I had learned that any reflection from an eye is actually upside down, I tried turning my nook upside down to look at it. Hahahaha, nooks auto orient so I have to stnd on my head to view in an upside down orientation I guess.


Another glass of wine for all!

 

[Linda7NJ]

“She was the perfect kid – the kind of kid you would want your son to date because she just seemed so clean cut,” said Rangel.

Who says that about the person accused of such a horrible murder??

But it's so true. Psychopaths have an innate ability to seek out and prey on nurturing, giving and trusting people. IMO they typically come off a little too good to be true.

 

[LadyEdith]

I've seen too many people in my life that weren't capable of taking great notes and listening simultaneously. I know I do much better listening, and jotting down some key things during a break. If I listen intently, I have no need to write anything down. Some folks just want to write everything down....and end up missing key concepts. I wish they could be trained on effective note taking....or rely on memory and read backs.

I'm an excellent listener and have great memory, but I'm a lousy note taker, however, I do like to doodle while I listen--I do it automatically if I'm on the phone. If I were on a capital murder jury I think everyone would be disconcerted to see me doodling. :what::what::what::what:

 

[callyn]

You did better than me......I saw teeth in a vajayjay......

(or I'm having a flashback)??? :what:

Aw, you're suffering from PTSD, join the crowd.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Lol, as I was thinking I had learned that any reflection from an eye is actually upside down, I tried turning my nook upside down to look at it. Hahahaha, nooks auto orient so I have to stnd on my head to view in an upside down orientation I guess.


Another glass of wine for all!

Isn't that upside down ...inside?

The reflection you'd see on the surface with be just that. A mirror image, not upside down.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm an excellent listener and have great memory, but I'm a lousy note taker, however, I do like to doodle while I listen--I do it automatically if I'm on the phone. If I were on a capital murder jury I think everyone would be disconcerted to see me doodling. :what::what::what::what:

We're cut from the same cloth! I am also known as The Doodle Queen! Lol my husband calls me Doodle all the time!

 

[Nova]

Ethics, ha who practices that anymore ? Especially defense lawyers. If only~

This is so unfair and the implication is untrue. I know many, many defense attorneys who are highly ethical people. And, in fact, I know very few defense attorneys who are not.

But a defense attorney's primary ethical obligation is to defend his client. That doesn't mean s/he is allowed to lie or to countenance perjury; but a defense attorney is not a journalist with an obligation to present objective truth.

His/her job is to DEFEND. And, yes, that sometimes involves adjusting strategy after the People have presented their case-in-chief. And, yes, a defense attorney's job is often to present whatever theory is both (a) consistent with the evidence; and (b) most favorable to his/her client.

Which is exactly what you or I would want were we charged with a crime.

And despite the showboaters you see on NG, most of the defense attorneys I know spend years defending indigent clients with little or no compensation. Yes, they occasionally catch the high-profile trial with a wealthy defendant and that pays the bills; but much if not most of their time is spent defending (true) indigents the rest of us rarely hear about.

 

[LadyEdith]

We're cut from the same cloth! I am also known as The Doodle Queen! Lol my husband calls me Doodle all the time!

That's cute!

 

[atthelake]

Isn't that upside down ...inside?

The reflection you'd see on the surface with be just that. A mirror image, not upside down.

Apparently you have not been smokin the doobies that were passed around earlier or partaken in the communion wine that came with the Jesus bread and tortillia wafers! :floorlaugh:

 

[Karmady]

He looks real young. I noticed Jodi isn't in any of his "Family" pics.

He's 20, best, and he lurves his mj lol

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Apparently you have not been smokin the doobies that were passed around earlier or partaken in the communion wine that came with the Jesus bread and tortillia wafers! :floorlaugh:[/QUOT


ROFLMAO!

 

[danzn16]

If anyone sees what CNN sees in the eye reflection, feel free to mark the picture and outline parts so we can have come clue of what the heck they're talking about!!

 

[Curious Me]

“She was the perfect kid – the kind of kid you would want your son to date because she just seemed so clean cut,” said Rangel.

Who says that about the person accused of such a horrible murder??

She cuts clean without hesitation cuts. I want her to stay away from my son.