The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #14 *ADULT CONTENT*

[BritsKate]

I have. I am not claiming he was only stabbed once. I'm saying that we do not know how far along the attack was when the picture was taken. The picture is not a valid basis to surmise with any great specificity the duration of the attack or when it stopped.

But we do have the time stamp of the dragging pic approximately two minutes after the last pic of an alive Travis iirc. Regardless of the length of the attack we can surmise (accurately in my opinion) based on the picture itself that within two minutes Travis was at the absolute least incapacitated.

 

[GobBluth]

Exactly...the Sheriff said he doesn't let them watch regular media/TV. So how would they know? They know the person she presents herself to them to be. Or however you say that sentence. I'm tired.

She posted on FB, Justice4Travis, here is the link.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/413559372053544

Thanks for the link! I think this is the person to which I was referring. Super interesting posts, especially down the thread. Be sure to read the whole thread, FYI.

 

[Karmady]

Premeditation has already been established ten times over. jmo

Premeditation with a gun has been established, probably. Premeditation with a knife has not. Not even close, imo. Maybe the defense won't change it's theory. In that case, it's moot. Can't wait to see the defense's case starting tomorrow. Wish I could watch more during the day

 

[katiecoolady]

Truth:

Jodi and Travis were at one time openly dating - during that time Jodi lived in California and Travis lived in Arizona

They broke up in June 2007, and about a month later Jodi moved to Arizona and lived 7 minutes away from Travis. Jodi moved to Arizona because of Travis.

Travis was pissed about Jodi moving to Arizona and so close to Travis

Jodi did not have stable employment while she was in Arizona. Travis paid her to occasionally clean his house.

Travis and Jodi fought in front of other people about Jodi showing up at Travis' house and hanging around uninvited

Jodi accessed Travis' facebook, gmail and phone. Travis confronted her about the invasion of privacy a couple of weeks before Jodi killed Travis

Jodi snooped through Travis' text messages while Travis was napping. Jodi sent a message to a girl from Travis' phone and pretended to be Travis saying "time to snuggle with Jodi"

Travis and Jodi traveled to several locations together. It is so far unknown what time period these trips took place.

After Travis and Jodi "officially" broke up, Travis dated other people. Jodi did not ..until Ryan. whom she saw one time immediately after killing Travis.

Jodi moved to California in April 2008 because of Travis and because of finances.

Travis and Jodi remained in contact with each other after she moved to California. From the phone records we have seen, most contact was initiated by Jodi.

A .25 caliber pistol was reported missing from Jodi's residence a week before Jodi killed Travis.

Jodi rented an inconspicuous car 90 miles from her home, dyed her hair and traveled to Mesa, Arizona on June 3-4, although she had planned a trip to Utah to visit Ryan. Her phone was turned off for 20 hours from the time she left California until the time she was leaving Arizona on her way to Utah.

Nude photos of both Travis and Jodi were taken within a minute or two of each other in Travis' room and with Travis' camera. 6 pictures of Jodi, 2 of Travis. These photos were taken at approximately 1:30 pm on June 4, 2008.

At approximately 5:30 pm on June 4, 2008 Jodi took several pictures of Travis while he took a shower. Some of these photos were deleted.

Within a couple of minutes of Travis being alive and sitting in the shower, Jodi shot Travis in the head with a .25 caliber pistol, stabbed Travis 27 times in the back and torso, and cut his neck from ear to ear with a 5" knife. Jodi's fingers on her left hand were cut during the attack.

The attack took place in Travis' bathroom and the hallway leading from the bathroom to the bedroom.

Travis died from his injuries.

Jodi dragged Travis his shower and left his dead body there.

Jodi put Travis' camera in the washing machine, where it suffered water damage.

The gun and knife used to kill Travis have not been located.

Jodi drove from Mesa to Utah to visit Ryan, showing up approximately 24 hours later than scheduled. 250 miles from Arizona, Jodi called Travis' cell phone and left a message asking him to go to an Othello showing in Oregon the following week.

Jodi visited Ryan and engaged in sexual activity the day after she killed Travis. Jodi acted normal and stated that her delay was due to getting lost and sleeping in the car.

Jodi told Ryan that she cut her hand on a broken glass at "Margaritaville" where she worked. No such place existed.

Jodi sent an email to Travis on June 7, 2008 asking if she could stay at his house while he was in Cancun.

Travis' dead body was discovered on June 9, 2008.

Jodi spoke to investigators on June 10, 2008 and said that she had not seen Travis since April.

On July 15, 2008, after being provided with conclusive proof that she was at Travis' house on June 4, 2008, Jodi told investigators that she was there but two intruders killed Travis and allowed her to escape. Jodi described Travis being shot and unable to stand.

On July 16, 2008, Jodi was arrested and charged with Travis' murder.

Subsequent to her arrest, Jodi gave televised interviews wherein she said that two intruders killed Travis and one of them tried to shoot her but the gun didn't go off - at which point she was able to grab her purse and run out of the house.

Jodi claimed that she did not call 911 or report the intrusion and attack because she was afraid the intruders would harm her family.

In July 2010, Jodi's lawyer's filed a notice of intent to assert "self defense" as justification for Travis' homicide.

:yourock:

 

[Curious Me]

I'm pretty sure that the defense has a bit more on their plate than throwing forum chat ideas into their mix. They have a lot more to worry about at the end of the day than to sit at a computer. I know it's been known that sometimes people come here to read who are on high profile cases, but I have always found it odd to think that this would be a place to come to get ideas. I think they have enough problems with what they have now.

Don't kid yourself, JMO, defense is desperate in this case. They hire firms to keep up to date on forums and public opinion and ideas. They did at CA's trial from what I've heard. If they are reading here now, I hope they realize where this is all going. Jodi has to take the stand and lie like she's never lied before, and it's doubtful anyone will believe this version.

 

[bobloblaw]

Anyone have a link to the proceedings today on youtube? Thank you!

 

[txbluesman]

"Brown Eyed Girl!"

Bwaaahaaaahaaaaahaaa! Too dang funny, I tell ya! :floorlaugh:

Oh wait. You meant the other end?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have. I am not claiming he was only stabbed once. I'm saying that we do not know how far along the attack was when the picture was taken. The picture is not a valid basis to surmise with any great specificity the duration of the attack or when it stopped.

Have you looked at the time stamped pictures? All of them? In order?

I can't begin to even imagine where you're trying to go with this or the point you're trying to make.


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[LotusPawprint]

I'm really enjoying the hard hitting journalism on NG. The reporter who shows the pink underwear worn by inmates and NG cutting her off telling her that's inappropriate when she herself was grilling Sheriff Joe A about the pink undies 15 minutes early.

I know who won't be winning the 2013 Award for Excellence in Journalism!!

 

[kscornfed]

But we do have the time stamp of the dragging pic approximately two minutes after the last pic of an alive Travis iirc. Regardless of the length of the attack we can surmise (accurately in my opinion) based on the picture itself that within two minutes Travis was at the absolute least incapacitated.

Well, she's dragging him back to the bathroom, away from where he left most of his blood. So I think it's safe to say he's dead or very close to it by that point.

(I know you weren't answering me. I'm just butting in.)

 

[spcagrl]

Premeditation with a gun has been established, probably. Premeditation with a knife has not. Not even close, imo. Maybe the defense won't change it's theory. In that case, it's moot. Can't wait to see the defense's case starting tomorrow. Wish I could watch more during the day

She is not charged with "premeditation with a gun" or "premeditation with a knife". She is charged with premeditated murder. So, to that extent, gun, knife, it matters not.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Don't kid yourself, JMO, defense is desperate in this case. They hire firms to keep up to date on forums and public opinion and ideas. They did at CA's trial from what I've heard. If they are reading here now, I hope they realize where this is all going. Jodi has to take the stand and lie like she's never lied before, and it's doubtful anyone will believe this version.

IMO they can't afford a firm to monitor in the case. Maybe some intern, paralegal, secretary ...


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[Laceybug]

Your head with a Bieber wig. That's what's next. lol

I'm team Katie!! :rocker:

 

[Karmady]

She is not charged with "premeditation with a gun" or "premeditation with a knife". She is charged with premeditated murder. So, to that extent, gun, knife, it matters not.

It does if there's self defense in the middle.

 

[BritsKate]

She is not charged with "premeditation with a gun" or "premeditation with a knife". She is charged with premeditated murder. So, to that extent, gun, knife, it matters not.

I think some people are theorising Travis had a knife while Jodi innocently stole the gun for protection.

I don't get it myself but I think that's where they're leaning. I'd argue that Jodi seems most proficient with a knife.

ETA: And on that note...the only wounds Jodi apparently suffered are also common in stabbing perpetrators. Odd that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It does if there's self defense in the middle.

If there is a struggle after she stabbed or shot him... It was him who was defending ... Not her.


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[Karmady]

I think some people are theorising Travis had a knife while Jodi innocently stole the gun for protection.

I don't get it myself but I think that's where they're leaning. I'd argue that Jodi seems most proficient with a knife.

I think Jodi shot him first and that it's a clear cut case of premeditation. I also think that by sticking with the stabbed/slit first scenario the prosecution is opening up a window of opportunity for the defense. I don't think Jodi stole the gun for protection and I think she used a knife when the gun didn't go as planned.

 

[Karmady]

If there is a struggle after she stabbed or shot him... It was him who was defending ... Not her.


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Again, I'm talking about the best defense that can be put on, not what I think actually happened.

 

[Laceybug]

I have. I am not claiming he was only stabbed once. I'm saying that we do not know how far along the attack was when the picture was taken. The picture is not a valid basis to surmise with any great specificity the duration of the attack or when it stopped.

What does it matter? She has confessed to killing Travis. The pictures are evidence that the murder took place.... AND she confessed.
:banghead:

 

[Curious Me]

My thanks button is acting up. Fast paced thread has my eyes spinning in my head.

I'm going to make dinner because I'm an artist and a chef. :wave: