The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #16 *ADULT CONTENT*

[Carol2]

Cleanup -- Jodi spent 1-2 hours cleaning the crime scene before she left Travis' house.

Lacey, nice recap. The one above is the only one I question. Not sure we know that to be fact?

 

[princesspjs]

Here's the website for the "Sexual violence expert witness". http://svpexpertwitness.com/home.asp

He's such an expert that his whole website is only about why you need him and how you can hire him to testify on your client's behalf.

 

[LotusPawprint]

If the comment about everyone deserving representation even those falsely/wrongly accused was directed at me (not sure if it was or not), I don't disagree; I just have a personal and moral disdain for those who choose to specialize in defending folks who are accused of sexual offenses. More power to those attorneys who can blindly defend for the good of our "system", personally I would have to use discretion in who I would defend and could never represent individuals who commit such heinous acts.

That's just me.

 

[Carol2]

IMO ... probably because the originals would have shown a lack of TA's fingerprints.

Hahahaha... and an abundance of the assisting secretarial inmate's!

 

[m00c0w]

If the comment about everyone deserving representation even those falsely/wrongly accused was directed at me (not sure if it was or not), I don't disagree; I just have a personal and moral disdain for those who choose to specialize in defending folks who are accused of sexual offenses. More power to those attorneys who can blindly defend for the good of our "system", personally I would have to use discretion in who I would defend and could never represent individuals who commit such heinous acts.

That's just me.

I guess you have me on ignore for some reason, so I'm not sure if replying is even worthwhile.

Just because someone defends others in these types of cases doesn't mean that they defend everyone, nor does it mean that they defend those that are actually guilty.

 

[katiecoolady]

Calm down; I was just stating that someone practicing that type of law isn't always a bad person (It doesn't make him a bad person, on its face).

I'm as calm as can be. Sitting here in my jammies eating frozen yogurt with my candles burning in the background and Nancy Grace on the TV. But hey thanks for the concern. :seeya: (I can be completely calm and have strong opinions)

 

[Hatfield]

Did it ever come out how the witness list was leaked?

Gus seemed to claim that he did not even know he was on the witness list when he was called by Chris. So, how did Chris find out? Was it through Sky or directly to him from the PA?

 

[Bravo]

I figured the message of that picture might get lost since I replied to Linda's comment about inmates playing Twister behind bars :jail: which was good because I didn't want to be too crass! I love that game too, but now it's forever tainted!


ITA about Martinez. Nothing gets by that man. I would NOT want to oppose him as an attorney, defendant, or witness.

Where i live that game is called Holey board. Seriously :what: Tainted further :floorlaugh:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by m00c0w
No reason to think he won't, until he was allegedly trying to scare witnesses for the defense into altering/omitting testimony. If true, that's a huge credibility issue.

E-mails that CH apparently sent to TA addressing how he was treating JA. The DA implied it was about some sort of abusive relationship.

That wonderful defense team that Arias has got herself can be successful in getting as many as their hearts desire of CH's emails entered and presented to the jury.. and those emails can be filled plum full of statements made by CH to Travis about what he thinks or feels about Travis being a "player", seeing/talking/or even sleeping with other women on the downlow and not informing Arias of what and who he was doing.. CH can even have expressed that he thought it wrong, sinful, or even abusive that Travis was choosing to handle his personal life in such way where Arias and other women were concerned..IMO it matters NOT.

IMO as I expressed earlier what or how CH chose to think and express to Travis about this issue is completely irrelevant to the fact of Jodi Arias slaughtering Travis and CH'S opinion expressed in emails to his friend do not even in slightest of ways affect the first degree murder for which Arias is presently standing trial.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Did it ever come out how the witness list was leaked?

Gus seemed to claim that he did not even know he was on the witness list when he was called by Chris. So, how did Chris find out? Was it through Sky or directly to him from the PA?

Witness lists aren't secret


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[m00c0w]

m00c0w . . you are missing the biggest part of this . . . the witness kept asking for the rest of the email (the beginning part) - which he was NEVER (ever) given!!! Even after CH read the whole parts that the DA wanted him to . . . CH continued to ask for the original part of the email so he could put this whole conversation into context . . . . CH was denied the beginning part of the email thoughout! He was never given that portion of the email.

Are we sure such a thing even exists? Both parties seemed to believe that the exhibit was the chain of emails in its entirety. Perhaps CH was mistaken in thinking there was a prefatory email.

In any case, I'm aware of what happened. He read the first page what looked like a few times, and when DA asked him to read the third page, he started protesting and refuse to review his actual response. This is to what I was referring. Then, the DA says that the prosecution wanted to disallow it, now they want to allow it. The PA says that he can still review it, just not enter it into record. The DA says it's on the first page, and continues to ask him to review his response.

 

[missy1974]

m00c0w . . you are missing the biggest part of this . . . the witness kept asking for the rest of the email (the beginning part) - which he was NEVER (ever) given!!! Even after CH read the whole parts that the DA wanted him to . . . CH continued to ask for the original part of the email so he could put this whole conversation into context . . . . CH was denied the beginning part of the email thoughout! He was never given that portion of the email.

BUT, he was denied that email because the prosecution didn't want it in if I understood correctly.

 

[katiecoolady]

Oh now Nancy has Vincent DiMaio on and he seems to be siding with the prosecution. As an interesting aside, he was called as an expert in one of my sister's killer's trials and he was flipped right over to the prosecution with our ADA literally escalating to ask him this question "So it is in YOUR expert opinion Dr. DiMaio that the defendant commited this murder?" . While swinging her arm around pointing at the killer. And he sheepishly said "yes". She had walked him right in to it with his own textbook with something he'd overlooked. And he was brought in by the defense. I'll never look at him without remembering that. He identified the killer on cross examination.

 

[TigerBalm]

Did it ever come out how the witness list was leaked?

Gus seemed to claim that he did not even know he was on the witness list when he was called by Chris. So, how did Chris find out? Was it through Sky or directly to him from the PA?

Chris heard it from Sky, she heard it from someone at the prosecutors office.

 

[katiecoolady]

Witness lists aren't secret


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When was the defense list released? Publicly?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Witness lists aren't secret


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You can go request a copy, if ya get a chance can you do that while you're there tomorrow?


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[katiecoolady]

So who is yet up for the defense?

La Violette

Richard Samuels.

The polygrapher

Jodi (!)
Who else?

 

[Carol2]

Are we allowed to discuss the Jodi Arias Is Innocent website?

I was looking for information on the witness lists and came across the poster CJ. After reading many of her posts and looking at her avatar picture...could it be....the Other One? Perhaps she's trying out a little of that paralegal work.

Casey Anthony? Here is the avatar:

 

[m00c0w]

That wonderful defense team that Arias has got herself can be successful in getting as many as their hearts desire of CH's emails entered and presented to the jury.. and those emails can be filled plum full of statements made by CH to Travis about what he thinks or feels about Travis being a "player", seeing/talking/or even sleeping with other women on the downlow and not informing Arias of what and who he was doing.. CH can even have expressed that he thought it wrong, sinful, or even abusive that Travis was choosing to handle his personal life in such way where Arias and other women were concerned..IMO it matters NOT.

IMO as I expressed earlier what or how CH chose to think and express to Travis about this issue is completely irrelevant to the fact of Jodi Arias slaughtering Travis and CH'S opinion expressed in emails to his friend do not even in slightest of ways affect the first degree murder for which Arias is presently standing trial.

I do not mean any offense by this, but you're operating backwards (Going from already have formed a conclusive opinion to a different opinion, not starting from nothing and going to something). The defense is trying to show it was self defense, because Arias was abused. It is then necessary to show that Arias was actually abused. If there are e-mails from the victim's best friend to the victim saying that he's not treating her right, and it may be interpreted as he's being abusive to her... It certainly matters to the defense case. The question is no longer did Arias do it; we know she did. The question the defense is hoping to bring up is if Arias did it in self defense.

 

[kscornfed]

If the comment about everyone deserving representation even those falsely/wrongly accused was directed at me (not sure if it was or not), I don't disagree; I just have a personal and moral disdain for those who choose to specialize in defending folks who are accused of sexual offenses. More power to those attorneys who can blindly defend for the good of our "system", personally I would have to use discretion in who I would defend and could never represent individuals who commit such heinous acts.

That's just me.

Yes, everyone is entitled to a defense. Even them. However, I've been on the other side as a victim and had my character assassinated by a defense attorney. Rape case. I was taking a cab to work after my car broke down and he decided I wasn't going to work. That attorney poisoned me against what they do. Sorry, I can't help it. Nobody knows what that feels like if they haven't been there.