The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #18 *ADULT CONTENT*

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  • #41
Oh, no doubt! But sadly and unfortunately, that is my suspicion as to what the Defense will present as deviant sexual behavior. :(

Are you talking about the pedophilia claim? Isn't the only basis for that from her, and contained in those phony letters that won't come into evidence?

If they can't find a child he molested, I don't see how they get that in. All his relationships were with women. And sexual fantasies don't count, IMO. They're perfectly normal.

Ideas how they'll wiggle this in other than the little innuendos like 'boy's briefs'?
 
  • #42
I"m sorry -- why what was ruled inadmissible?

I'm probably using the wrong legal language. I'm referring to the pic that Juan put up, and was "objected to". It must have been sustained, and I'm wondering the legal thinking behind this.
 
  • #43
:) just watched Abe on Drew.... Wow, hard to tell who the bigger douche is... Abe or Drew! I can't decide!

Still lovin me some Mark!


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Abe is souring, eh? How is he being d-baggy?

I've lost remote control priveledges for the night...
 
  • #44
ohai again!!! :wave:

LOL!! Is that from the worst movie ever, "Oh, hai, Mark!"?

I have been a jury coordinator for sequestered juries where the death penalty was possible. It was a unique experience that will always mean alot to me. Viewing juries from the outside is different from getting to be with them 24/7. I was in charge of their hotels, meals, entertainment. After listening to disturbing testimony all day, it is important for juries to get a break. You can't get a fair verdict if you have a strung out, irritable jury. One thing I learned from watching my juries was this - it is easy (relatively easy) for most of us to say we are for or against the death penalty when asked as potential jurors. Virtually everyone knows where they stand on that. On the juries I served with, people were not picked to serve if they could not at least consider the death penalty an option - meaning that they were not picked if they would ALWAYS vote no on the death penalty no matter what the evidence or how heinous the crime. So, my juries had 100% members who said they could at least consider the option if the evidence warranted it. Despite that fact, as I watched my juries, I learned that it was an entirely different thing, no matter how heinous the crime, to be one of twelve people basically putting someone to death. A person who is "for" the death penalty and could sit watching a trial on TV, begging for the death penalty, could have a very, very difficult time when they were asked to be the one to sign someone's death warrant. Basically, each juror always could feel that if he/she held out, the defendant would not die. To take that further, a jury member often feels the very personal weight of deciding whether someone should die. Those people who find the crime so heinous are then put in a position to exact justice by killing someone else.

It is interesting to watch. I was never in jury deliberations and my jurors always followed the rules and did not talk about the case (that was part of my job to make sure of that). But, over time, I could see their personalities. By watching them, I could see the weight over them. I could see how careful they were to follow the rules and how carefully they listened to the evidence.

It was one of the highlights of my career to get to work with sequestered juries. But, since that time, I have become much more compassionate for what individual jurors go through. To find someone guilty based on evidence is one thing. But, the penalty phase brings an entirely different responsibility which, I believe, is acutely felt by anyone who takes their responsibility seriously as a juror.

I am not offering this for debate - whether it is right or wrong - or whether that should be the case in this case or not. But, I am mindful that as I sit here feeling like I know what the penalty should be, that there are 12 people sitting there who, if they find her guilty, will have an awful weight on their shoulders if they ultimately reach the question of whether JA should be put to death.

Since that time, I have felt great respect and tremendous compassion for how jurors lives are altered by seeing these pictures, listening to this evidence, and having the weight of it all on them at the end of the trial. It is a tremendous responsibility. And, I am fortunate to have been blessed by working with jurors who took those responsibilities very seriously.

Bolded by me.

Nice to see another attorney on here!!! We learned that lesson the hard way in the casey anthony case. I am very happy with the way AZ is handling it's jury trials thus far.

minor4th,
Still trying to get an answer on why it was LEGALLY ruled inadmissible.
Any thoughts?

If you are talking about the photo the prosecutor presented during cross, the photo is already evidence., The objection was to how it was presented in the context of the question. The objection we heard was relevance. There may have been other grounds. Personally, I think it is just as relevant as claiming a horny guy justified his own murder. But I understand the basis for the objection and why it may have been sustained. Essentially, the court agreed that asking this girl whether she was driven to murdering Travis by his behavior is not relevant to the trial. That's more for argument, I guess.
 
  • #45
I'm probably using the wrong legal language. I'm referring to the pic that Juan put up, and was "objected to". It must have been sustained, and I'm wondering the legal thinking behind this.

It wasn't relevant to the witness on the stand. There was nothing to be gained from showing the picture to the witness, as it was out of the scope of the cross IIRC.

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  • #46
Are you talking about the pedophilia claim? Isn't the only basis for that from her, and contained in those phony letters that won't come into evidence?

If they can't find a child he molested, I don't see how they get that in. All his relationships were with women. And sexual fantasies don't count, IMO. They're perfectly normal.

Ideas how they'll wiggle this in other than the little innuendos like 'boy's briefs'?

I'm rocking my boy panties right now....I'm not a pedophile:) and neither is my hubby




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  • #47
I'm probably using the wrong legal language. I'm referring to the pic that Juan put up, and was "objected to". It must have been sustained, and I'm wondering the legal thinking behind this.

The initial objection was that it was irrelevant to Lisa's testimony; then a request to approach and a sidebar. I would guess that Juan simply agreed not to keep the picture on the screen after the sidebar. He had already accomplished what he intended. I don't think there was a legitimate objection at that point.
 
  • #48
Whoa! This is really an outstanding cross exam by Juan, and I understand why he brought up the picture when he did, but wish that had been handled in a way that was not shocking or upsetting to the family -- but this is the reality of the situation the jury is there to address. It is shocking and upsetting and startling and disgusting -- especially in contrast to the complete gentleness and normalcy displayed by Lisa.

I agree. Watching him is incredible.
 
  • #49
Are you talking about the pedophilia claim? Isn't the only basis for that from her, and contained in those phony letters that won't come into evidence?

If they can't find a child he molested, I don't see how they get that in. All his relationships were with women. And sexual fantasies don't count, IMO. They're perfectly normal.

Ideas how they'll wiggle this in other than the little innuendos like 'boy's briefs'?

I'm not saying it's valid, a great defense or anything like that. I'm only saying that I think that is where the defense is headed. They have given us little hints by the way they portrayed the pigtails, orgasming like a 12-year-old girl and little-boy underwear. I do hope I am wrong about this, I really do.
 
  • #50
Are you talking about the pedophilia claim? Isn't the only basis for that from her, and contained in those phony letters that won't come into evidence?

If they can't find a child he molested, I don't see how they get that in. All his relationships were with women. And sexual fantasies don't count, IMO. They're perfectly normal.

Ideas how they'll wiggle this in other than the little innuendos like 'boy's briefs'?
I bet they are counting on the innuendo...

Like Baez in the CA trial, outright saying GA molested CA and never presenting one iota of evidence to prove it. They can say what they want and don't have to offer any proof. They just plant the seed and hope a juror (or 12) fall for it.
Smoke and Mirrors.
 
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I'm probably using the wrong legal language. I'm referring to the pic that Juan put up, and was "objected to". It must have been sustained, and I'm wondering the legal thinking behind this.

I thought it was being objected to on the grounds that it was "prejudicial" or "inflamatory". He settled for no picture, and instead asked something to the effect like did TA deserve to die based on the way he treated you.
 
  • #55
Abe is souring, eh? How is he being d-baggy?

I've lost remote control priveledges for the night...

He, for some reason thinks its no longer the DrDrew show ....it's the I Know Everything Abe Show and Drew let him! Lol he talks over everyone, it's extremely combative by nature. IMO


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  • #56
LOL at Juan saying, "It's not like he was saying 'we need to get down, baby', right?"

We need to start keeping a list of "Juan moments."

1. "It's not like he was saying 'we need to get down, baby', right?"
2. "Your hindquarters"
3. "You don't get to ask the questions. I ask the questions!"
4. To Gus' "irrelevant" comment, "That's not how it works."
 
  • #57
I'm rocking my boy panties right now....I'm not a pedophile:) and neither is my hubby




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Am I a pedophile for saying I enjoy my SO in boy shorts? Probably my favorite type of undies.

On that note, are we actually sure he's referring to boyshorts?

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No new dates on the calendar. The schedule (so far) remains:


1/31/2013 10:30 Trial
2/6/2013 10:30 Evidentiary Hearing
2/13/2013 13:30 Evidentiary Hearing

So, in the next 2 weeks they will have trial one day and the hearing two days? Moving right along I see...not. We seriously will be here until late summer!
 
  • #60
Am I a pedophile for saying I enjoy my SO in boy shorts? Probably my favorite type of undies.

On that note, are we actually sure he's referring to boyshorts?

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I don't know. But since there is zero actual boys underwear in evidence... I'm going to believe the defense is mis characterizing the panties.


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