My Day in Court Part 2:
So...the deputy on and off all afternoon kept coming out saying "I'm trying to find you girls two seats". And then after the break he pulled us in (just as I was talking to my friend Michael Keifer, a journalist covering this for the local paper and he was trying to get me a way to get in). We didn't sit together (ironically her name is katie!) but we both got in.
The environment in there is so freaking intense I can't tell you. I felt my anxiety level go up the minute I sat down. It is such an intense vibe in there. Saw Lisa for like one second of testimony and all the other final witnesses for the day.
I made a bunch of notes so here goes:
The size of the courtroom is like a huge ballroom you might find yourself in for a big wedding reception. I can't impress how LARGE it is. Jodi is WAY far away from the jury. I could barely see her today with my view.
The jury is attentive, many taking notes. I'm fixated on this one female juror in the front, 30 something, tri color hair, she's paying such detailed attention. I keep thinking she could be foreperson. She's WAY in to everything.
Tanisha's husband holds his arm around her waist every time she stands. Looks like he's literally holding her up. good man. He looks much younger in person than on tv.
On Jane Valez Mitchell yesterday an older female friend of Travis was on as a guest. I met her today When the younger sister Desiree 's name was called as a witness, she sharply turned around looking at the person behind her with a long long WTF type stare.
All of Travis ' family are in suits and dresses. Very dressed up.
Nurmi takes forever to get to a point.
I once again talked to their Victim Advocate and she handed me her card saying "tell them tomorow you're with me and you can get in". :great: It was after I asked her if she'd slip a card to the family for me tomorrow. Which I will do. And I will mention the WS community on my card to just so you know.
At the end of court, Juan walked up to the family, checked in with them, he said "are we good?" and they nodded. I'm glad I saw that.
I think that's it for now. I'm going back early tomorrow. I will get in for sure and can stay for the morning (have to work in the afternoon).
I'm thinking tomorrow will be a BIG day. Just a hunch.
Now gonna read some posts and CRASH. :seeya:
Wow! You really are cool, Katie!! Thank you so much.
I was thinking about the pics when the camera was on the ground. I think she messed up earlier when taking the bed photos. I think she had previously set the camera to take an automatic series of photos when she was taking sex/bed photos, and then she forgot she had the setting that way. Then, when she went into the shower area to distract him with more pictures prior to killing him, she forgot the setting was for auto-series. So, she thought she was only taking 1 photo at a time, dropped the camera, and stabbed him. Not realizing the camera was taking more pictures automatically while on the ground.
Just a thought I had why LE got lucky with those extra pics.
I think that's a very smart theory.
Excellent review. Thank you so much for keeping us WS in mind.
It is so interesting about how the reporter thinks that the judge is going to chambers too much.
One thing that is so disturbing to me that the judge is allowing so much non-important testimony from the defense witnesses that seems to have nothing to do with anything. In past trials, I have seen judges question the attorneys where this is heading to be sure they are trying to make some valid point or something. Wondering why this judge seems to be allowing so much extra non-important garbage from the defense witnesses. If you get a chance to talk with Beth or one of the pros there, maybe you can see if they even agree or if they have noticed this.
I think the judge is going above and beyond to make sure jodi is able to put on a defense, but really, it seems so irrelevant half the time and just a blatant attempt to make people dislike Travis, rather than finding this to be a valid self-defense claim. I have heard nothing that points to self defense thus far.
"Yes, but, reading some posts here, I am afraid that some juror will equate Travis less than perfect conduct with their own, past heartbreak and secretly find jodi at least a little bit justified.
The defense has not begun to open the door to a self defense claim but they might get a juror who never got over a past break up or who hates men and strike gold just by
shaming Travis. - this is a quote from another poster.
My response.
Hm. I imagine I could be one of those people you are talking about. Except that I think everyone posting here thinks Jodi is guilty of premeditated murder.
In a couple of months I will have been married to my hubby for 40 years.
My job for a few years before I retired was working with the homeless and a lot of them were women that were in the abused woman's shelter.
I was able to learn a lot about the double standard and the shame that these women get to experience all of the time.
I will rail against this paternalistic society where lawmakers can talk about legitimate rape and the Violence Against Women Act cannot be passed.
I will not accept that a woman is a
whereas the man cannot control himself. He is seduced by the jezebel. :furious:
If you actually hit the quote button, it will quote the quote and show the poster who posted the post. That post was by me. I do not know if you are one of the people I referenced because I have not tracked your posts. I remember content very well but I forget from day to day, for the most part, a poster's general opinions or who wrote what.
Please see below:
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Edited out funky quotes.... Below is my reply
I am confused. I don't recall anyone calling Jodi a
or claiming Travis was incapable of controlling himself.
I believe Jodi was sexually aggressive, manipulative and wielded her sexuality as a means to get what she wanted. Only it failed, Travis didn't want to marry her.
I believe Travis was a normal man with sexual urges that he struggled with because of his faith. His biological urges won out and he paid with his life.
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Ditto and thank you so much.
I read one post in all the 14 threads and thousands of pages in which anyone called jodi a
. She is no
. She's not a person with loose sexual morals. She is a person who clinically and methodically uses sex as a tool to get something she wants and to manipulate people, IMO. That is very, very different than a "
".
And Travis was not unable to control, himself. He chose to have sex with jodi because he loved it. Like Linda said, he was a normal man with a healthy sexual appetite. he was also a man constrained to withhold sex from himself by his religion. That didn't create an "uncontrollable" situation but it did create an almost untenable one. It unrealistic to expect that a 30 year old virgin who just discovered the joys of sex would choose to forego it after a sociopath uses her charms to get in and then uses her sexuality to stay in.
See, the way, human, you are phrasing it is as if jodi was a gal who killed some rapist because he claimed her tight clothes drove him wild, so he raped her and she defended herself and killed him the process.
I am a feminist. I totally agree that there is a double standard in society. But right now, it;s working the other way with some. They have experienced heartbreak or see Travis as a "dog" for continuing to have sex with her after the broke up so they want to paint Travis as a deviant monster and those of us who disagree are unfairly being portrayed as calling poor jodi a
.
Here's some logic: The person who ends up dead on the floor of their bathroom, moments after posing for pictures that show he or she is unarmed and naked in the shower, stabbed too many times to count, and shot and practically decapitated, while their killer remains totally unscathed and due to the timing and other factors, obviously premeditated the act, that person is the victim. Not the killer. And it is highly unlikely, given such a scenario, that the murderer was ever the victim in the relationship.
Travis'' fault was not saying no to someone who was using his love of sex to remain in his life. That could happen to a female victim as well. (But generally, men and women are somewhat different so it likely would have been a different way (than sex) to remain a part of a female victim's life, like money or children, whatever).
In any event, it happened to Travis. This is not about paternalism. This is about a different kind o0f double standard: A man is seen as causing his own murder if he has a relationship with two women at once. Human, you are claiming that many of us see Travis as unable to control himself but really, your logic, in my humble opinion, leads to believing that indeed, it was JODI who could not control herself because she lost her mind as a result of Travis' behavior.
I reject either theory. Both parties were able to control themselves but only one was abused. Only one was slaughtered.
Finally, as a feminist, I am really starting to get offended by people who accuse me of using a double standard simply because I think jodi manipulated Travis with sex. Please stop it.
shaming is when a person (usually a woman) is made to feel ashamed for their sexual conduct. It's like the modern scarlet letter. I actually think that's what the defense is trying to do to Travis, in a sense.
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